TreasureBucks

Im not saying im pro or con...

Im just curiuos to what other peoples thoughts are on this practice. Im starting to see more and more free sites doing it.

In the past i would see programs add in their TOS that only so many fhg links were allowed to be listed on any given page. This may have changed becuase of market saturation and cheaper bandwidth?

I see more sales from sites that have perfected the tease, and that satisfy just enough to keep returning... im not seeing big sales from these fhg indexing sites myself.

I understand people want their brand out there and their signup link in front of as many people as possible.

Coming from someone who has ran tgp's for years, as a tgp owner, I feel like that would be something harmful for all tgp's, and as a program owner, if Im not seeing a large amount of sales from that type of practice, Im not sure i see the value of it.

Im not talking about any sites for webmasters that index sponsor galleries.... I mean... theres a reason we keep our fhg links behind a password protected system for "webmasters"?? right?? I know there are alot that dont, and thats probably another point to this subject that would be interesting to know.

Do people notice more sales if the surfer can just click on "webmasters" and get all your fhg's without having to signup and provide a url, so you know they have a site?

Ever notice you have tons of reffered webmasters to programs but no 5 to 10% referal fee paid......becuase they dont send any hits?

I dunno...

Just curiuos to see what peoples opinions are.

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Hooligan

I agree.

PatrickM

I personally don't like it but there are people like Bike who are doing this with success

seeric

i dont care personally. we have our fhg servers setup to handle about anything. the more links the better is my opinion.

psili

I'll admit I do it.

It's just so much less maintenance doing a mass import and letting the code display what it wants. I don't make a ton of money off my site, though, and haven't experimented with actually spending time only showing certain FHG links; rather I just let the site sit there and let the user do what he wants.

*shrug*

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DutchTeenCash

teasing is better imho, but I know there are sites that list a lot, 1000s and 1000s and for some sites this means like 50% of their content, which is bad karma if you ask me.

We do topless max in the FHG so itll give the surfer a hint but if he wants to see more he has to signup. Its a way, but any other ideas Id welcome

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TreasureBucks

well, im saying its a bad thing. Im just wondering what program owners opinions are.

Im sure most program owners first reactions are.. "i dont mind, as long as its out there"

and i realize many programs have spent alot of money building export applications for their galleries so webmasters can use tgp software to import entire hosted gallery databases.

But, is this the intention of the sponsor program? To have every fhg link all on one page? I just dont think thats an effective marketing strategy myself, but i could be wrong. It just seems to me theres no need to hide all your free hosted galleries from surfers anymore, if webmasters are just going to reproduce your fhg database in its entirety.

If it doesnt result in sales, and it actually hurts your sales, and it drives down sales from your other affiliates, and then every free site has to have every gallery from every program in order to compete, thus driving sales down even more.

Im a true beleiver that guys are always going to want to see whats on the other side... and always going to get excited when they whip out their card.

Nobody thinks that by allowing this, you might be letting webmasters shoot themselves in the foot as well as yourself???

This has nothing to do with worrying about the amount of bandwidth it burns (airek ) And we all know there is enough free porn out there to jackoff to till the cows come home..... but not usually every single free hosted gallery that a solo girl has to offer. Whats left to close the sale???

I dunno, it sounds like im against the practice, but i havent decided yet.

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Easton

it doesn't bother me (and even if it did, other than putting some terms in the TOS, there's not much to do about it)

besides, unlike many who name all their FHGs in perfect numerical sequence (making it easy for the surfer to change the 001 to a 002 to a 003), we don't do it that way

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TreasureBucks

well, even if your galleries arent numbered that way, thats not stopping the webmaster from going into your webmaster section and grabbing all the codes to add all of them to one page.

I mean if your attempting the keep the surfer from changing a number on a url to go to another gallery for the same site... they dont have to, becuase a webmaster is providing every single link that the sponsor program has allready, all on one page.

I dont have a problem with webmasters exporting all the galleries and mixing them up.... but how many of you would provide a listing to all your hosted galleries in a tour??? whats the difference for that surfer, thats seen all your hosted galleries through that method of trying to make the sale allready?

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Scotty.T

I'm not a program owner but I have also wondered about the result and effectiveness of this type of promo.

I was going to throw in what Easton has already said about naming galleries in the perfect mumerical sequence also.

I have been with 2 different groups of people in 2 different continents when the subject of surfing porn cropped up and how there was never a need to pay for porn. People were saying how easy it was to find one of those link sites and then when you find something you like and want to see more just change the numbers in the address bar and you get more. There's about 30 people right there that know what to do.

I'd prefer to keep it all limited myself rather than just have it all tossed out there.

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I dont think it matters one bit because people join porn sites for the full movies.

TreasureBucks

well, i felt like actually putting out a seriuos post, instead of the shits and giggles i normally right about. Im sorry its a long read.

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Rinaldo

I see pros and cons. If they're listing hundreds of your galleries that's because they like them. SO it's a compliment to you and your marketing.
However I have seen success in limiting galleries since it doesn't over saturate the market.

There are exeptions to every rule. Matt's done incredibly well with Kate's Playground and there must be 100,000s of her galleries up. I don't see it negatively effecting her traffic rank. However I'm sure it causes some people to not want to join because they can see a shitload of her already for free.

In the end, it's boosting you someway or another. Run a test on a new site when you beta and see if you do better with 20 galleries released per week as opposed to how you do with 200 a week. Then go from there.

PornAddict

In my experience, and keep in mind that I haven't been running a public affiliate program for too long, people who list boatloads of galleries to push my sites don't do too well. Those who list a couple galleries here and there end up having much better results in sending sales.

I've had affiliate go in and grab my entire list and post them on their surfer forum at once. To me, they don't care about sales... they just want their surfers to keep coming back to their board for the massive amounts of free porn. I'm guessing their theory is "throw enough shit at the wall and something's bound to stick"

The galleries that do the best in my program are the softcore photo galleries. I've had a few affiliate do less than 1 in 50 with that while the movie galleries tend to do around 1 in 300+ on average.

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xNetworx

I guess I can't do anything about them lisitng all the FHGs but when they take content from my member's areas without permission... that makes me angry

sandman!

most programs allow it and the ones that dont oh well there are 100 other programs to promote

im starting one of those type of sites next week also

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crockett

I can't see the point in doing it.. IMO listing every damn gallery gives the surfer everything they need.. No use to sign up at the point.

I have a few babe-blogs that I've set up to promote specific sites, but I limit the amount of FHG's that can be seen on the main page. On a blog style site there isn't anything you can really do to stop the surfers from digging through your archives. I most certainly agree with limiting the amount of galleries posted per day or accessible per page.

Personally If I'm promoting a specific site with it's own dedicated site, I limit my updates to 1 new gallery a day with a total of 3 to 5 posted on any specific page from the same site.

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and that is supposed to suprise us? I am suprised you didn't find a way to work in "see sig" into your post

Mutt

it's bad news

the question when it comes to free content is 'are you using it to your and my best advantage to make a sale for both of us OR are you using my content to impress and make your surfers happy or whatever your agenda is?'

what you do when you allow this idiocy is penalize your best affiliates who are in the game to make sales for you and him.

the really good affiliates are the losers in this - the program does get alot of branding for free from these nitwits, the nitwits get to impress their surfers

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TreasureBucks

thats a valid point.... there will always be some who dont mind all of their galleries being listed on one sinlge page, becuase they think its going to send more signups, and with a small group of their traffic, they very well, might... but it seems to me your just going to be losing sales from the guy who would buy a membership from seeing one gallery, but loses interest after he has seen the next 60 plus or more before he even joins.

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sandman!

Well its a volume game also and most sponsors would rather have more sales coverting at 1:1000 then less sales conventing at 1:200 so in the end as long as your sending traffic to the fhg's most sponsors dont care how you get the traffic there.

There will allways be exceptions to this rule but few since in the end the more sales a paysite does the more $$$$ the owner makes

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TreasureBucks

i think thats what im seeing out of all this.

its one thing if someone exports all your galleries and puts them into a tgp database where 4 or 5 or 10 or 15 pop out on a single page at one time, but 60 to 100???

My sales from these sites just arent converting like a tgp does.

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xxxice

By having lots fhg and no terms about their use they are just doing what is allowed ...

TreasureBucks

how about the guys that run a fhg indexing site... you notice more sales from programs that have more hosted galleries on a single model or site when you index them all on the same page?

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I meant to say, Im not saying its a bad thing.... damn typo

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TreasureBucks

If a girl has over 200 galleries

does program approve if i put all 200 and something galleries on one page??

lol, i guess thats an easier way of putting it.

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sandman!

its assumed it allowed unless otherwise stated.

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latinasojourn

true.

the prudent affiliate owner will delete all affiliates who do not send traffic within 2 weeks or so.

MANY surfers signup as affiliates with no intention of ever sending traffic---they do it to be able to look at exclusive content, free movies, and get lists of FHGs.

TreasureBucks

Thats becuase you want people to buy sex products lol

just messin with ya man

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Theo

I don't like that ,most of the time shows weekness to understand traffic and converting it, therefore chances this affiliate to make money out of it is small

TreasureBucks

what if the practice is becoming more common place and starts drying up sales for both you and your affiliate, not too mention from your higher sales affiliates that send you sales allready???

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Theo

It happened before, but not with FHG (with downloadable content). In such case I'll request from affiliate to stop doing that and if he/she won't follow up I'll be forced to close his account. I've seen some TGPs listing 20-25 of our FHG in row. I'm ok with that amount, but i'll see something like 75+ I'll start worry lol

In the case of downloadable content abuse the outcome was 0:1400 in 3months period of time while content wa expose to millions ppl...

Voodoo

There is too much free porn.

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i mean, if people are raking in sales from sites like these, then by all means, its a free market, and free enterprise.... but if this practice does not benefit either party, and starts drying up sales, becuase in order have a high volume of traffic you have a to have a section of galleries all indexed by site name thats a complete mirror image of your protected webmaster hosted gallery lists.

As Ive said before, if im wrong, then so be it, I havent taken a stand against it, Im just trying to open up some dialogue on this issue with other program owners. I dont think enough people have chimed in on this to make an honest, ethical, and informed decision on this.

I have affiliates that do it, and im not going to kill there accounts at all. We dont have 1000's of galleries like some of the bigger programs do, but not only do I run an affiliate program, Im an affilate with alot of other programs too, and if i have to compete with fhg index sites that are driving down the market for everybody, seems kind of silly to allow affiliates to do it.

Its not like its some "high tech, cant stop it thing".....

it could be a terms and conditions "if you do it, your not getting paid" thing real easy.

Are affiliate programs watching this? Do you want a mirror image of your entire hosted galleries database on every tgp site out there?


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I dont think this is a too much free porn and too many tgp's thing.... this may very well be, affiliate programs collectively killing the tgp and free site market for themselves, blindly, becuase of greed, once and for all thing.

I think people are always going to want to buy a sexual fantasy or service, but for awhile tgps and freehostedgalleries have survived together, but since these new index sites are popping up, are people going to take notice??

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TreasureBucks

Its not that simple. Theres nothing wrong with too much free porn.

Im not trying to make that argument.

Its ALL of your hosted galleries on one page.

check your stats, look at your sales....

If you allow someone to just mirror your hosted galleries on their site, I as another affiliate who runs free sites, have to compete with that. Lets say im sending you an x amount of sales that suddenly dry up, becuase im forced, in order to keep surfers coming back to my site, to mirror your free hosted gallery section as well.

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