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No one is arguing his talent. He has talent, and he is one of the greats with or without the roids.
Did the roids push him into another galaxy that is well beyond what a "roidless" athlete could accomplish? Probably not completely, however the point is justifiable. It would be unlikely that athletes not using would accomplish what those that used did. But that said, you must first have the talent and that talent must already exceed others talent. |
As I said before, I don't think the public will welcome his records. But I don't think it is all due to steroids, that is just the easiest, most efficient target / justification.
Other reasons revolve more around baseball's loss of luster. I think the strikes, salary cap issues and the movement towards foreign players have changed the identity of the game; stripped the passion a bit. I don't think fans are as a attached to the game and are reluctant to trust players, many of which don't speak english. The US gets beat in the olympics, it really isn't our sport anymore. Bonds being a jerk to the media only propels it. It isn't America's past time anymore. |
First off...if steroids made it so damn easy to hit homeruns it seems like everyone would be hitting 70 home runs per season? Dont dissmiss the talent.
2ndly, this is baseball's mess. They knew it was going on and they did nothing because they needed the revenue to make up for the strike. This is not the Barry Bonds on Steroids era...This is THE STEROID ERA. All the stats will be different. People evolve, in this case drugs evolve, baseball parks get smaller... As much as people want to compare records from 1920 to 2000...you just can't. In 1920 the ball was like a sand bag, the parks were 25% larger, the bats were heavier, there was no science behind athletics (legal or illegal)....I mean come on... When Ruth was doing what he was doing he would hit 400% more home runs than his next closest competitor in some years. If someone did that now they'd hit 200 home runs. Anyone that can stop and think for 2 seconds would realize hitting that many homeruns back then is far more impressive than now....steroids aside. Yes yes...the pitching is more advanced now...but thats the only arguement |
2hpThis is all a somewhat less important discussion, when you consider that female athletes are going to eclipse male athletes very soon in a number of traditionally male-dominated sports, swimming is going to be the first. But, in other, more endurance oriented sports, like the Marathon, the margin between the uber-elite athletes of the 2 sexes has been narrow for a long time. One must wonder what is happening to women, then, that they should be gaining on us so... Roids? |
So the ladies are going to takeover the sports that are on ESPN2 at 3AM
Big deal :winkwink: [QUOTE=2HousePlague] 2hp[/QUOTThis is all a somewhat less important discussion, when you consider that female athletes are going to eclipse male athletes very soon in a number of traditionally male-dominated sports, swimming is going to be the first. But, in other, more endurance oriented sports, like the Marathon, the margin between the uber-elite athletes of the 2 sexes has been narrow for a long time. One must wonder what is happening to women, then, that they should be gaining on us so... Roids? |
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If you're going to blame someone, blame bud selig more than Barry Bonds....he's just one of hundreds of players that have been on the juice...he was just that much better than them |
2hp[QUOTE=BlueWire]So the ladies are going to takeover the sports that are on ESPN2 at 3AM |
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look at him... and ask anybody who have a lot of experience with steroids. |
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I can look at him and his bodyweight/size and tell you there's a 99% chance he has done them, but I wouldn't bet my life on it unless I personally witnessed the man use them. |
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I have a silly story about the man but didn't post because nobody would believe me. But fuck it! My friend that does construction said they had a job to to at Barry Bond's parents house. They were putting in commercial toilets because their Dicks hung in the water on regular ones. :1orglaugh
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What's sad is that there are so many people who think, no thanks to the media, that steroids are the root of all evil. The believe the propoganda about how bad they are, and what they do to you, how kids kill themselves over "roid rage" etc. LOL, get real. it's just typical American pscyho-hysteria, FOX News fabricated, BULLSHIT |
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