please keep logic out of these kind of threads....they are best served by insulting the other parties involved

Please. Put a fork in this shit it's done. Doesn't matter who was behind these attacks, the bottom line is they got away with it and did the damage they did. Only ONE motherfucker has ever been brought to trial and he confessed at that.

The End. Give it a rest.

Who's responsible? All of us are for not fighting enough to make sure the laws preventing this shit which are already in place were enforced.

Laziness and greed are not a way to run a society.

so what are you waiting for? another 9/11?

Another one? Shit, get real. Ain't a damned thing you would be able to do about it anyway.

As long as the war between the Tinfoilhats and the Asshats keeps going on we'll just be arguing back and forth.

9/11 could have been prevented but it wasn't. That says it all.

Never saw the movie yet, nor into conspiracy theories.

One thing that is a fact is that I don't believe fuck all about anything until I've either see it with my own eyes or a full, detailed and transparent account is presented via a range of qualified and competent sources to justify believing anything.

As far as the 9/11 incident is concerned - there has been little or no deliverance of any detail either to the families of those involved or to the public.

Excuses and reasons have ranged from "national security" to "protecting the families".

For the scrappy scenario presented as "how it was" - there are clearly alleged facts presented which defy known and universally accepted scientific principles.

Of the alleged X hi-jackers claimed by US Admin to have been involved - most of these individuals are currently free and employed eg as pilots and air crew and where the airlines involved do not appear to have any concerns about alleged involvement of their staff in the 9/11 incident.

On the alleged mastermind, bin Laden, it is now incredible to believe that this individual is purportedly the most wanted man on the planet and has still not been found - either "dead or alive". This either says a lot about intelligence services, there is a deliberate avoidance to locate him, or bin Laden is the first man to successfully accomplish the feat of making himself invisible.

It is little surprise there are conspiracy theories since there is little actual evidence generally known to establish any fact - other than unsupported statements/allegations by government officials. Statements from the same government sources - going back decades, have already been proven to be either "not quite the truth", blantant lies or slants based on a grain of truth and there is no reason to accept them as fact - no court would.

I've always wondered (before seeing all the conspiracy theories) about that Flight 93 and the plane into the Pentagon. Just never really made any sense to me. Really nothing any one can do now though.

pretty amazing stuff. everyone should watch this.

Just watching it now:thumbsup Yeah.. amazing stuff, and pointing out the various blatantly obvious alleged facts which just don't match up with existing scientific analysis of other equivalent incidents involving aircraft.

Also never knew folks built skyscrapers with explosive devices every X floors - it's too silly. :winkwink:

a very clear version of what happened

Yeah, this seems to be the only 9-11 documentry that seems credible, the rest are done by psycho-wacko-conspiracy theorists. This guy seems to be pretty logical and factual.

eeeeek.:)

Chkshit and Phoenix... just go to democraticunderground.com and you can hook up with all your fellow retards, conspiracy theorists, bush bashers, and the rest of the "blame America first" crowd.....

Trust me.... you'll love it. They'll pay attention to you there.:1orglaugh

Interesting vid...

Pretty good debunk of this ":1orglaugh documentary :1orglaugh"

http://home.planet.nl/~reijd050/JoeR...e_analysis.htm

Why is it that some folks in the US are so damned screwed up and warped by domestic politics between conservatives and democrats, they'd never know a nuclear attack if the saw one with their own eyes?

Only in some ex-communist countries and a couple of controlled states does this bullshit surface. The rest of the world don't give a fuck.

No 1 : respect your president; put a capital " B" to his name.

No 2: Bashing ... ?????? just pointing out all the constant lies that this bunch of criminals are feeding you .. the worst is you believe it ... shows how poor your intellect is ... :1orglaugh

... but way less serious as a BJ lie, that only cost the lives of a few millions sperms .... :1orglaugh

the best movie about terrorism is here

The Power of Nightmares 1 of 3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...tmares&pl=true

The Power of Nightmares 2 of 3

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...tmares&pl=true

The Power of Nightmares 3 of 3

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3378107729331676799&q=power+of+nig htmares&pl=true

I was thinking about the "odd" phone call from son to mother. The first thing is that this call was never released to the public so the information was dictated to someone from a person who did hear it, then dictated again and again untill it got to use through this video.

There is no way to tell how much [SIC] was used by individuals in giving this info. Anything that was not clearly audible or missed by someone getting the info would have had a best fill in which could explain a lot.

But let's take it literally. Let's say the guy wanted to make sure that he was identified completely, he calls his mother and hoping there was a recording he gives his full name so there is no mistake that it was he who made the call. Perhaps also he said something along the lines of we will be ok or we are going to make it in which case the following question "you believe me" was to get her to confirm not only to herself but also to him (having heard her say it to him) that they would indeed make it.

I believe there is a lot more involved in this than any of us will ever know and more to it than we are being told, but I do not believe everything anyone says on this subject, especially when using certain ploys to get emotional response to overpower logic and the bending of partial truths to make the other side look like a complete lie.

:1orglaugh

http://www.reopen911.org/ here is another video. You can get a free DVD or stream it. It has alot of the same theories as loose change + some extra ones.

http://streaming.reopen911.org/video...Deceptions.wmv

here is the Bush Gold digger song... Pretty funny shit.

http://www.flake.com/go/gold_digger_song_abo_1111.htm

Uhm... wrong :)
http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/15...aden_To_ 9_11
The FBI doesn't connect osama to 9/11 on their website either...

looks like a good vid, have to watch the full thing before any objective comments :)

Weird how Condoleza Rice told SF mayor Willie Brown on Sept 10th not to fly on Sept 11th. Wonder why that was? Must be a huge coincidence.

that's the best vid ive seen so far about 9/11

honestly i cant understand how you can still think EVERYTHING that day REALLY happened as the media reports it as.

Errors of fact: 81
Post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacies: 92
Assumptions and conjectures not supported by evidence: 92
Photo & video images that do not support statements being made: 48
Non sequiturs: 24
Opinions expressed on technical subjects by non-experts: 22
Anonymous sources: 19
"Straw man" arguments: 10
Overgeneralizations: 10
Arguments to authority: 3
Similes or metaphors taken as literal statements: 12
Statements misleading because incomplete quotes used: 25

Total flubs: 426

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

what is there to do...no one will do anything
evn people who believe give up and say..well there is nothign we can do

beat down already..what is left to do.

march on washington one million strong

Here is another good video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...911+eyewitness

LMAO every word of that conspiracy theory video has been debunked.

and we wonder why our children fail?
look at all the believers of this shit.

They need to release ALL the information on this to clear things up