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good post Lane
the only thing is that it's impossible for states to secure their borders. |
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Your attempt an analogy is ridiculous. You compare holding a gun on a 7-11 clerk to illegally entering a rich country and walking through 20+ miles of desert to find work? |
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I am open to seasonal worker visa's. Let people from our bordeing countries apply for a visa to work, apply for a job at one of these ranches. Then when they are accpeted they can leagally cross the border. Work at thier job for minimum wage, pay legal taxes, have the employer provide some sort of medical, so long as its paid for by him and not the tax players. When thier visa is over (3-4 months) they go back to thier country untill next year. Win-Win in my opinion. |
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You might want to ask your 5th grade teacher that tomorrow morning. |
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I'm not against immigration, heck I'm an immigrant myself with a dual citizenship, but I have something to bring into this country. My dad is a specialist with 2 university degrees and so is my mother. I'm almost done with my formal degree as well. We were poor in the country where we came from, but that's not a reason for becoming a criminal and trying to justify it. We did everything legally, albeit it took a long time. You'd be surprised how many educated people want to make it to the US and can't do it, while the borders are swarming with unskilled people whose only excuse is "i'm poor, so fuck you im going to this country anyway, and if you don't agree with me then you're racist." |
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If you put together the population of all those hick states like Alabama, Ohio and others you get something half that of California + Illinois + New York.
I don't know about you, but I won't work at McDonalds for $5.50/hr - taxes and I won't pay $5 for a cup of coffee if they have to hire people at $10/hour and the prices sky rocket. The only reason we can enjoy cheap food, cheap goods and cheap services is because there are mexicans and other minorities willing to break their fucking backs doing the shit work for next to nothing. Throw them out and you'll be paying through the roof for everything... |
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welcome to europe |
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1) No Mexican border 2) A right for every Mexican who walks 20+ miles in the desert to work in the US None of that exists, so sorry, my analogy is still acceptable. I do agree that while a gunman robbing 711 should get time in prison, our Mexican friends should be deported without prison time as resources permit. |
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Same situation in europe. World is not so different in such issues.
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Why not: Russians Germans Polish etc Why not spend tax dollars to fly out people from Europe to the U.S Provide them with a job, housing, medical benfits so they can have a job. We have that responsibility too don't we? |
fuck them send them back,
my father took 8 years of doing it the legal way to get his perminent visa. fuck them, all they really want is to mooch the american society and turn it into mexico 2.0. there is a reason for the word ILLEGAL. there is people willing to work, its just what employers are willing to pay. |
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I ahve family in losts of major country in Europe, and countless family-friends who have several college degrees, worked hard at thier profession all thier life, recieved the medical coverage they deserved. Retired at 55 and got to enjoy life freely. Why can't we have the same here? |
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Mexico has been taking a "Fucking" from the U.S Surely you dont classify the Mexcian government as getting rid of all thier shitty ass citizens to our country so they can mooch of us and then send money back home as a "Fucking" Do you? |
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There are basically 3 stages to immigration: 1. Temporary status. Work visa falls under here. Anyone who is offered a job should be able to get this, given the worker will be paid minimum wage or more, plus a fee. First they need to create this path for non-skilled workers, as it doesn't exist yet. Now people are saying, this should be offered only if illegals leave USA first and then come back legally with this. In my personal opinion that's not gonna happen. This option should be available for illegal immigrants who have been in the US since before Bush announced his plans on this. Without them having to leave the country. 2. Permanent residency. (i.e. Green Card) Every immigrant with no criminal record etc.. and who has been working for certain number of years, should be able to get this. Additional criterias can apply, as they're currently discussing this too. Like english requirement etc... This path already exists for employment based immigrants, but it is too complicated and lengthy process, in my personal opinion. It requires way too much effort and money to consider viable for a non-skilled worker case. For a skilled worker (college graduate professional), it might be worth it to deal with, but not for a minimum wage worker. That's why this process also needs some adjustments made. 3. Citizenship. After being a good resident for 5 years, without leaving the US for a long time, you qualify for this. Again you need to be clean, and also need to pass some tests about USA (history, politics etc...) This option currently exists for Green Card holders. No need to make changes here. At this point a person will have spent 7 to 10 years in the USA, which in my opinion definitely justifies their right to become a citizen. |
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Now, your bottom quote is what makes US hate the Mexicans. Look bud, you're racist and/or nationalist yourself. You think US owes something to you, it gave you the fucking, and you want to fuck them back, right? Is that how you justify illegal immigrants? That's why so many people don't want you in the US. |
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But why would illegal citizens do that when they can hope the border illegally when they want. Without going through any paper work. Get paid under the table in cash. No taxes, and mooch off the government. We first have to start enforcing current laws before making new ones. |
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A good citizen of a country stays in his country. Gets an education, works there and pays taxes to help the economy growing and dosnt abandon his country. The exact oppisote of what most illegals that come to the U.S are doing. That makes them "shitty ass citizens". Whats next, they work over the U.S, turn it into a Mexcio v2.0 as someone mentioned and move on to the next country. You could compare them to parasites if you want. |
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Ever heard of religious persecution??? They really had no choice. I dont think Mexicans are discriminated against by other Mexicans in Mexico. Se what I'm getting at? :winkwink: Also. When they came here, they didnt come to a new country. But to a colony owned by the same country. |
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Why are these same idiots parading through the streets of Los Angeles with MEXCIAN flags. |
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Immigration Argument
Every morning when I got to work. I see Mexicans standing in line under the underpass of the freeway exits. I agree that they take jobs that most of us wont do. The problem is, the reason they do so is because some of them don't have paperwork. I have hired a few that do.
I myself came from immigrant parents but they took the time to fill out the proper paperwork , and they waited years and years. They came from a third world country just like Mexico is. But they did it the right way. I do not agree with immigrants illiegaly tresspassing. I feel that the reason why they do the jobs that they do is sometimes relevant to the fact that they can't get anything else. I had a job a few years ago where I befriended a few of our Mexican chefs. They showed me fake driver s liscence and fake social security cards. although the informaiton on the cards was real, it didn't belong to the person. I didn't report them them because they were genuine people working hard just illegaly. We as Americans don't owe any other counrty anything. We need to take care of our own and provide for our own. tresspassers defy that rule and in some cases take advantage of our system because at times it is too forgiving and lenient. Mexican people are good people. Mexican people are hard workers. I know this because I've worked with Mexicans and have attended many classes in high school and college where I've seen how smart Mexicans are. Illegals however, I think they should take the proper course of action to reside in the United States. I know we can go on and on about this but at the end of the day, We don't have the figures and numbers that congress does. Im sure they play a vital role in our budget. If they were that serious about controlling immigration they would. Thanks Everyone as im sure we all feel a certain way about this. D |
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Im sorry Hitler. Why did i ever disagree with you. http://www.nsm88.com/merchandise/pat...h-swastika.jpg |
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My point is you claim the people that migrated to North America had no choice because of religion yet you seem to think that when a Mexican is faced with starving or migrating he should starve. Absurd. |
I have been reading these threads for a few weeks now... Being from S. Florida I can relate to the mexican issue. We have the "wet foot" deal here which really PISSES me off! Any cuban that sets foot on US soil stays... Pretty stupid since we have no clue on the criminal background etc. People called Sperber Natzi for his views well you can add me to that list if what he said is the reasoning behind the label, you can also add this guy you may remember the name... :helpme
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907. "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Need I say any More??? Be an American or get the fuck OUT! :mad: |
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there's two options, migrant workers do jobs americans are too lazy to do and keep prices low. or try and hire 100% americans and have prices sky-rocket. everything from lettuce to homes to cheeseburgers.
its the same thing as banning clothes made in china for pennies an hour and giving americans those jobs. i'd rather keep things the way they are now. |
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