What is the Future of the Adult Industry?

[Platinum Albert]

To All Webmasters and Affiliate Programs,

I have been active in analyzing the trends of this industry and what I have found most interesting is that surfers/users are extremely intelligent and continue to demand more from thier webmasters and affiliate programs.

What do you think will be the future of this industry?

[FlyingIguana]

all surfers will think free porn should be included in the constitution.

[Big E]

Death and dismemberment.

Oh yeah, and blowjobs for everyone.

[SetTheWorldonFire]

I think the chosen one will bring balance to the force.

[boneprone]

Pay for Porn is a dying industry.
The word is out you can get it for free on Morpheus and Kazza free.

Why pay 30 bucks to join a bangbus site where their movies load dirt slow, when you can get it for free on kazza and it loads ultra fast?

You can get 4 free videos off Morpheus or kazza in the same time it takes to load one movie in a paysite.

Whats the point?

[funkmaster]

... summer slowdown and recession will knock out more than 90% of all adult webmasters within the next 9 month ... after that the survivors will be making more than ever ...

[playa]

all webmasters only doing free sites will be gone,,
all the one man operation webmasters will be gone,,,

my guess is that these types of webmasters got only 1 year left to get their shit right,,,,

[boneprone]

You go to any college campus, ask em where they get thier porn and not one of is stupid snough to pay to join a site.

Especially these fucking pay sites that all look alike with tat simialr design.
Why should they?

And you may think that college kids dont pay cause they dont have $$? Yeah right....

Even if you do think this, you have to realize that in a few years these college kids are the future. And the future holds tons of people not willing to pay for porn.

[Pipecrew]

Originally posted by funkmaster
... summer slowdown and recession will knock out more than 90% of all adult webmasters within the next 9 month ... after that the survivors will be making more than ever ...

80% of all statistics are made up on the spot

[boneprone]

playa, the pay sites are the ones going down. The small paysites.
You have it all backwards.
The free sites will saturate, the paysites wont be able to cover expenses as thier industry saturates, and in the end it will be the pay sites hurting, not the free sites..

Freeesites have low overhead. What is to push them out?
They can run on thier own now days.

They are the weeds taking over the nice what was once green lawn of the past.

[SetTheWorldonFire]

As long as guys can pop a boner, I'd say it will never end.

1. Paysites have better reputations and more convenient content in one place.
2. Niche porno

[quiet]

the only way you can continue to make it really big in this business, is to do something no one else is doing.

[Rochard]

People will always pay for porn..... If you like cheerleaders you can spend hours and hours looking for decent pictures - Or you can sign up for a site dedicated to cheerleaders. Every surfer out there has something they want. They want it in bulk, and they want high quality stuff - both pix and video. There will always be a demand for porn.

Free sites..... Free sites have limited content, and most of that sucks - Not to mention the ads and "click here links" cover their sites and annoy surfers. At the same time free sites wouldn't exist if it wasn't for paysites. The paysites make the free sites money.

Surfers are also getting smarter. They are tied of looking at free sites with crap on it, and tied of being jerked around. Give the people what they want.... And they will beg for more!

[SetTheWorldonFire]

Originally posted by RocHard
People will always pay for porn..... If you like cheerleaders you can spend hours and hours looking for decent pictures - Or you can sign up for a site dedicated to cheerleaders. Every surfer out there has something they want. They want it in bulk, and they want high quality stuff - both pix and video. There will always be a demand for porn.

Free sites..... Free sites have limited content, and most of that sucks - Not to mention the ads and "click here links" cover their sites and annoy surfers. At the same time free sites wouldn't exist if it wasn't for paysites. The paysites make the free sites money.

Surfers are also getting smarter. They are tied of looking at free sites with crap on it, and tied of being jerked around. Give the people what they want.... And they will beg for more!

The chosen one has brought balance to the force.

Good job RocHard.

[UnseenWorld]

Like I'm going to tell youse guys (heh-heh-heh).

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by boneprone
Pay for Porn is a dying industry.
The word is out you can get it for free on Morpheus and Kazza free.

Why pay 30 bucks to join a bangbus site where their movies load dirt slow, when you can get it for free on kazza and it loads ultra fast?

You can get 4 free videos off Morpheus or kazza in the same time it takes to load one movie in a paysite.

Whats the point?

Not all of the surfers out there think one pic is as good as another. A site that concentrates on what they like will always be worth paying for.

[funkmaster]

"the only way you can continue to make it really big in this business, is to do something no one else is doing."

WRONG: it´s more likely not to get anywhere when doing something new, you are more likely to succeed when copying something that is succesfull ...

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by SetTheWorldonFire
As long as guys can pop a boner, I'd say it will never end.

1. Paysites have better reputations and more convenient content in one place.
2. Niche porno

Now you're thinking. Give 'em what they like without having to wade through what they don't (which is the problem with TGP's, newsgroups, etc.) and they will cum.

[FlyingIguana]

more ppl will be using p2p. as of right now, i'm not too sure if it could put a huge dent into paysites. some shitty paysites will have to change or risk going under. there are quite a few shitty paysites around heh

[playa]

Originally posted by boneprone

Freeesites have low overhead. What is to push them out?
They can run on thier own now days.

think bout it,,, if sign ups are getting tougher to make than the free sites are not gonna make any money,,, no more $35 per sign ups,,,,

if you have a paysites( and i mean more than 1),,,,,then you'd be better off cause of the reacurring money and you can just trade on exit consoles to other sponsers,,,

the whole industry is evolved around the paysite,,,, and a free site is just an extension of it,,,, if thats all a webmaster does then there gonna loosing a huge portion of the money

[quiet]

Originally posted by funkmaster
"the only way you can continue to make it really big in this business, is to do something no one else is doing."

WRONG: it´s more likely not to get anywhere when doing something new, you are more likely to succeed when copying something that is succesfull ...

wrong. a site like bangbus was so successful because it was DIFFERENT. something no one else was doing.

the reason my largest paysite is so successful, is because we offer the surfer something they can't get ANYWHERE else (other than Morpheus, etc - and we're working on stopping that).

people copy it, big deal. we're already on to the next episode.

[Cyndalie]

Quiet has something there. That's what the Adult Site Innovations series of articles I have been doing for Cozy Frog are about. New ways to run paysites and expanding on the convenience and community spirit the 'Net is all about.

Surfing for quality and free porn takes time and effort. Having a trusted and reliable subscription is something people will always pay for. If they can buy a computer, afford a monthly connection, most likely have cable, they can afford a QUALITY adult entertainment product/service to rely on when they have the time to enjoy it.

FlyingIguana, that shit was awesome

It seems that webmasters just learning the industry cling to the current paysite and traffic driving model like a life raft. Getting quality help is hard to find and it's either sink or swim for many website owners, adult or non. No one wants to change. No one want's to be told that they need to change. No one wants to be left behind.

I say we all get out thumbs out of our ass and start doing some things new and different. We know what we can and can't get away with. Yet mainstream ad agencies are using more advance banner types of displays and attention getting promotional materials. This is what we need from the affiliate programs, Albert. Techniques that work in all browsers and platforms, not just "IE on Windows".

Positivity is the key Explore all options.

Time to run,
Cynd

[TopCashQ]

Just a hunch - sometime in the next 2 years, the Bush admin. will prosecute at least one high profile American webmaster/company, using obscenity laws already on the books (i.e. ones that the courts have already deemed constitutional). This prosecution will succeed, causing a chilling effect among American net porn companies. There will be a scramble while everyone tries to get their sites "up to code", and the chaos will destroy quite a few businesses.

And then Canadians like Albert will have to start sponsoring all the cool boat parties...

[TheFLY]

well GFY is proof that the surfer and wannabe webmaster are one in the same now and a good steady source of income -- I bet over 20% of all paysite income comes from surfers joining affiliate programs to get a discount and for their friends too -- make a little beer money on the weekends goofing off in Frontpage... we first saw this back in the Amazon and CDNOW days -- the buyer is the seller -- the customer is the employee... anyway the freesites will never die as long as there's $5 to be made in an hours worth of HTML work there will be millions more freesites...

Full-timer freesite guys like Boneprone and I are and will continue to be far and few in between for a few more years (I'm guessing 5 years) until there is a major technology breakthrough -- either in electroic money or in distribution (global high-bandwidth wireless)... low earth orbit? whatever -- it will come. Every chump w/ $20 will have a PDA w/ free high speed access to the web -- that's when we will REALLY see some major traffic -- and the money will flow like fucking water. TV will be long gone too and the Boneprone Family will be like NBC and CBS.

We will see more mainstream advertisers jumping on the porno bandwagon -- all eyes are on us -- not TV or radio.

[nocostporn]

Like it was said,Freesites only exist because the webmaster is converting them into pay-per,The only thing that REALLY hurts the overall picture is more and more programs like kazaa. Hopefully the large tgp owners will start using those millions of uniques a day more wisely than what they are...Only 50% of the states has an internet connection,you know it will be somewhere around 80% in 5 years...the best days ar behind as all but the slow days are faaaar in the future.Playboy is still selling....Online Porn can never cease,it reaches too many people...Girls fuck for free but that doesn't stop people from going to a hooker...

[boneprone]

i say again.
Why pay for it when you can get it for free?

I see i like bangbus.
I go download it for free at kazza.

I see i like CD Babes, i got to kazza and load it for free.

I see i like lightspeed, i go to kazza and get it free.

Yes, the paysites have good content, and yes people know it.
But once they findout they can get it free the exact same shit, they wont pay for it.

[TheFLY]

paysites aren't the only way for a freesite to make money.

sleazydream is a prime example of a guy that could give a fuck about your paysites

[boneprone]

The future holds nothing but Oversaturation in all fields of our industry, more and more free shit, better quality shit on the rise, and more access to getting it all for 100% free.

[Cyndalie]

Boneprone, I've got something you can't find at kazza ;)

[boneprone]

The whole Morpheus and kazza era is killing the Music Industry.
As soon as it becomes more wide spread it will kill our industry as well.

[boneprone]

what?

[quiet]

Originally posted by boneprone
i say again.
Why pay for it when you can get it for free?

I see i like bangbus.
I go download it for free at kazza.

I see i like CD Babes, i got to kazza and load it for free.

I see i like lightspeed, i go to kazza and get it free.

Yes, the paysites have good content, and yes people know it.
But once they findout they can get it free the exact same shit, they wont pay for it.

i pretty much agree with you, and i'm sure this is already having some effect on many paysites. i'm not worried about it in the immediate future myself, as we are still experiencing massive membership growth, and great retention with no slowdown in sight. but once ptp begins to make an impact on our business, there are technologies available that could be used to stem the flow.

an example:

http://www.convergentsys.com/contentsafe.html

[TheFLY]

Boneprone true... but look back in near internet mainstream history -- all the stuff that was free had to go to a subscription model because of too much popularity.... I don't think the P2P software model is solid enough yet -- and I don't think it will ever be unless someone invents a new internet architecture...... These P2P deals are not really P2P if you research them -- there are hubs for the search queries -- otherwise the whole thing would crawl slower than bangbus -- these P2P hubs can be shut down very easily... think about a network w/ no organization -- it's doomed to be useless... I think kazaa and all that is a blip on the radar -- morpheus will become like IRC picture trading -- just another gay toy for the geeks to play with in college computer labs -- bottom line these are illegal activities and US Customs or whoever will step in and stomp them out...

[FlyingIguana]

i've seen reports recently saying p2p has helped sales in the music industry. i find it hard to swallow, but its an eye opener.

everyone i know that downloads music, doesn't buy anywhere near as many cd's if any at all.

[Cyndalie]

Just playin with ya boneprone, don't give up hope yet.


What ever happened to multiple pay site subscriptions? They used to sell like hot cakes, a point that is pretty much null today, but what stops affilate programs from piggybacking their membership packages Albert?

I think people may just want more for their money.
Does Playboy offer cd-rom's with their mag's yet? I think adult paysites should be more like Mac Addict

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by Cyndalie
Boneprone, I've got something you can't find at kazza ;)

Is it pink?

[sweetcuties]

Quiet - I agree with you and a few others... The people saying people will never pay for porn are dellusional... and I don't care if I spelled it wrong. Wasn't this argument made with cable in the early 80's?? You mean, I'm gonna pay to watch tv. Bottom line, PEOPLE PAY FOR QUALITY! The main mega paysites are HUGE cause it's original content, not some shit bought on a cd!

Last weekend I was in Atlanta shooting content and my friend showed me some clips he downloaded from Morpheus and I wasn't impressed. The same shit on free sites is the same shit there.

In my opinion, "Joe surfer" is tired of seeing the same shit on free sites and he doesn't have the time searching for porn. For the most part the "casual surfer" has a job and a life. He wants to log on, see quality and get off.

Just my 2 cents... oh yea, I've been in this biz for over a year and I run my shit full-time

[boneprone]

yeah im just in a pissed off mood.

It just pisses me off when ever i hear people outside our industry say they get their shit free off kazza. I hear it sooo much its crazy.

It seems its a growing epidemic.
I will lite a cigar the day they get shut down like napster.

[Cyndalie]

Call me an idiot but I still buy CD's of my favorite bands or artists. I'll get the shit shipped from overseas if I like the quality (http://www.shpongle.com). I'm not rich, it's not that expensive and adding quality to your collections help define people in these materialistic times.

People will continue to pay for Quality in it's many forms. There is a limit to the effectiveness of promotions (giving away the movie in a trailer). Ineffectual and/or uneducated webmasters will string surfers along with free shit never showing them what they are really paying for. People will waste their hours and their dollars away burning low quality cd's because it's cheap, or surfing for porn 10 hours a week instead of enjoying it. Or enjoying it with their partners.

[Theo]

Adult industry tends to look like more and more with Brazilian economy where 2% of the citizens hold the 98% of the land. Land is translated to money. The past years, a large number of adult webmasters could make really good money. Now things became hard. The ones that managed to move from being gallery builders will stay and this business. Some of the will be or already are part of the 2%. The rest already face a decrease in their income. A serious one and it will get worse. Summer is coming and we'll see many saying goodbye.

Is it impossible for someone to get rich in this business now? It's harder than ever, but as quiet said innovations are the ones that make the difference. If you don't have innovative ideas, you don't work on new fields, research, don't be afraid to invest even if the investment takes the majority of your capital you won't go anywhere.

The keywords of the success now are: innovation, research, investment. If you are missing a single one you'll have problem soon or late.

Bottom line,things are fucking hard now. Use your brain or say goodbye.

[nocostporn]

Originally posted by boneprone
yeah im just in a pissed off mood.

It just pisses me off when ever i hear people outside our industry say they get their shit free off kazza. I hear it sooo much its crazy.

It seems its a growing epidemic.
I will lite a cigar the day they get shut down like napster.

I was in a chat room with people within a 20 mile radius of where I live,none of them knowing me or what I do for a living,I asked casually where does everybody get their porn...out of 20 people,13 said "thehun",3 said Kazaa and one said they actually have a membership to danni.com LOL...I wasn't surprised I guess...but pay-for-porn will always be here,shit I deal with porn everyday and can get backdoor passes but I think I have 2 memberships on my credit cards right now....

[yys]

Platinum Albert, you looked familiar in a picture I saw of you. Did you ever live in Mississauga near Kingsbury plaza?

[redshift]

whats needed is a technology that will allow the surfer to view content without being able to download it on their HD or copy it in any way

just my two cents

[Lexxx]

When there are gonna be more webmasters pushing porn than surfers out there, don't tell me I didn't say so.

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by redshift
whats needed is a technology that will allow the surfer to view content without being able to download it on their HD or copy it in any way

just my two cents

yeah that might happen if you figure out how to reinvent the universe hehe...

that's almost the dumbest thing I've ever heard -- how do you think it gets to your browser -- you're looking at a COPY ;)

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by Lexxx
When there are gonna be more webmasters pushing porn than surfers out there, don't tell me I didn't say so.

i agree

[teadrinker]

This post was made to scare away newbies.

[Lev]

The only things that bring danger to this industry are oversaturation and free porn.

[playa]

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
Adult industry tends to look like more and more with Brazilian economy where 2% of the citizens hold the 98% of the land. Land is translated to money. The past years, a large number of adult webmasters could make really good money. Now things became hard. The ones that managed to move from being gallery builders will stay and this business. Some of the will be or already are part of the 2%. The rest already face a decrease in their income. A serious one and it will get worse. Summer is coming and we'll see many saying goodbye.
.

well put,,, in other words webmasters that just do free sites are gonna find it more difficult to make a buck

[Theo]

thanks, i fucked up with some spelling hehe

the bad (or good) is that most webmasters fail to realise it