Boycott Canadian Seafood...

[Pipecrew]

Anyone seen this new commericals? they are all over the place on american tv
and I bet it could actually do something.

starts out like this

"every year, american seals travel to canada to give birth, they are then slaughtered in the most digusting way"

then it shows canadians hitting the seals with axes and throwing them around laughing.

Then goes into the whole "boycott canadian seafood" speal.

Here is the website they were spamming in the commercials

http://www.harpseals.org/helpstop/boycott.html

[SmokeyTheBear]

lol you will be inadvertently boycotting fish anyways by simply letting the seals decimate protected species that will certainly become extinct if seal populations are allowed to balloon..

So do you want fish or seals ? , seals dont taste very good... not as good as fish anyways

[SmokeyTheBear]

there will be idiots in any job, if you isolate the worst people and show them of course your going to have a bad opinion of them..

Kentucky fried chicken got busted for having employees at their poultry farms swinging chickens against walls to kill them and stomping on them , does that mean we should boycott some arbitrary animal that america produces ? or ban chickens or ?

[Damian_Maxcash]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

there will be idiots in any job, if you isolate the worst people and show them of course your going to have a bad opinion of them..

Kentucky fried chicken got busted for having employees at their poultry farms swinging chickens against walls to kill them and stomping on them , does that mean we should boycott some arbitrary animal that america produces ? or ban chickens or ?

The reason the Cod stocks are fucked is because of us humans. Until we learn to manage fish stocks there will be problems with or without the Seals.

On the one hand they call it a cull to protect the fish stocks but on the other hand they say it is a direct source of income. Its one or the other - the argument dosnt stand up.

THEY overfished and decimated the cod stocks, so they kill the seals for extra income AND blame them for the problem. Its crap.

Manage the fish stocks properly and there wont be a problem. Even if they kill every seal if they dont stop fucking it up themselves it wont make a blind bit of difference.


Canada could learn a lot from NZ - the tourists are flocking their at the expense of Canada and that is BIG money - way more than they get from the Seals.

[GTS Mark]

DH

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

lol you will be inadvertently boycotting fish anyways by simply letting the seals decimate protected species that will certainly become extinct if seal populations are allowed to balloon..

So do you want fish or seals ? , seals dont taste very good... not as good as fish anyways

Ok I'm not getting into this debate, but people that say we need to hunt "to help" the animals population is bullshit. Animals have been doing fine for MILLIONS of years before the first human was even around. Now they need our "help"? Hey, you like to kill animals for fun then man up and say it. Don't use some pseudo eco-physcobabble bullshit.

[BT]

WoW I could imagine if they boycott hamn and showed a pig slaughter that is brutal.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by damian2001

The reason the Cod stocks are fucked is because of us humans. Until we learn to manage fish stocks there will be problems with or without the Seals.

On the one hand they call it a cull to protect the fish stocks but on the other hand they say it is a direct source of income. Its one or the other - the argument dosnt stand up.

THEY overfished and decimated the cod stocks, so they kill the seals for extra income AND blame them for the problem. Its crap.

Manage the fish stocks properly and there wont be a problem. Even if they kill every seal if they dont stop fucking it up themselves it wont make a blind bit of difference.


Canada could learn a lot from NZ - the tourists are flocking their at the expense of Canada and that is BIG money - way more than they get from the Seals.

oh i totally agree , its not the seals fault , its our fault we overfished it but if we leave it be , we KNOW they will be decimated..

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Ok I'm not getting into this debate, but people that say we need to hunt "to help" the animals population is bullshit. Animals have been doing fine for MILLIONS of years before the first human was even around. Now they need our "help"? Hey, you like to kill animals for fun then man up and say it. Don't use some pseudo eco-physcobabble bullshit.

lol you are getting in the debate by making statements about something you dont understand..

Im the first to admit its out own fault , that doesnt make it change the end result

if you have bears and honey they do fine , but if humans take all the honey and leave only 1 bee hive for the bears , the bears will eat the last beehive and make them extinct .. get it.. so we are killing off a tiny percentage of the bears so that we can figure out how to protect he last bee hive..

[Morgan]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

seals dont taste very good... not as good as fish anyways

not bad though, they taste a little bit like a mix between an american bald eagle and a california condor. kinda weird for a sea animal eh?

[SmokeyTheBear]

your right though it doesnt matter how many seals we kill if we dont properly manage the fish.. its a hard game because theres so many countries vying for the same fish.. as soon as canada lowers their quota's the americans go buck wild and catch all the extra fish and vice versa ( and its not just americans/candians )

people just get jaded when they see a video of something cute meeting an ugly demise.. without properly understanding the situation..

We have already banned fishing certain species that are too close to extinction. the problem is as the fish go up the seals also go up and eat them all so even if we didnt fish at all , banned all fishing tomorrow and stopped seal hunting completely THOSE FISH WILL GO EXTINCT , so we cant just "leave it up to nature" if we do we will lose species of fish , and maybe that is the best soltuion but i dont think so because nature wouldnt have let those fish go extinct it was us that did that . killing the seals is our solution to our problem of overfishing, it may not be the "nicest" solution , but its the best one around as far as i can see.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

lol you are getting in the debate by making statements about something you dont understand..

Oh I do. I hear dear hunter say how they are "helping" the dear by making sure they don't overpopulate. well the dear was around for 10 million years before man and they didn't go extinct when they didn't have out help. Think about it. Besides how is it helping the deer when the whole idea of hunting is to kill the biggest strongest healthiest male? That leaves some inferrior male to mate with the females. This is why most game animals are much smaller than they were 100, 150 or 200 years ago. Anyways as I said why the excuses? If someone likes to kill deer for fun then say so. My dad likes to deer hunt he doesn't use any bullshit excuse.

[2HousePlague]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Oh I do. I hear dear hunter say how they are "helping" the dear by making sure they don't overpopulate. well the dear was around for 10 million years before man and they didn't go extinct when they didn't have out help. Think about it. Besides how is it helping the deer when the whole idea of hunting is to kill the biggest strongest healthiest male? That leaves some inferrior male to mate with the females. This is why most game animals are much smaller than they were 100, 150 or 200 years ago. Anyways as I said why the excuses? If someone likes to kill deer for fun then say so. My dad likes to deer hunt he doesn't use any bullshit excuse.

Ya can see something similar in certain human populations, as well.

2hp

[Damian_Maxcash]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

lol you are getting in the debate by making statements about something you dont understand..

Im the first to admit its out own fault , that doesnt make it change the end result

if you have bears and honey they do fine , but if humans take all the honey and leave only 1 bee hive for the bears , the bears will eat the last beehive and make them extinct .. get it.. so we are killing off a tiny percentage of the bears so that we can figure out how to protect he last bee hive..

Using your analogy - we know how to protect the beehive - stop taking more than is sustainable.

With just one beehive none of us will be able to survive - so perhaps we need look at it from a diffrent angle.

Restore the natural balance that we had for many years before we got greedy.

Going back to the Seals - they also eat larger fish that prey on Cod. Get some balance back in the system and it will start working again.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Oh I do. I hear dear hunter say how they are "helping" the dear by making sure they don't overpopulate. well the dear was around for 10 million years before man and they didn't go extinct when they didn't have out help. Think about it. Besides how is it helping the deer when the whole idea of hunting is to kill the biggest strongest healthiest male? That leaves some inferrior male to mate with the females. This is why most game animals are much smaller than they were 100, 150 or 200 years ago. Anyways as I said why the excuses? If someone likes to kill deer for fun then say so. My dad likes to deer hunt he doesn't use any bullshit excuse.

with all respect we arent talking about "deer" but if we were and you knew something about deers you would know in some areas deer ARE overpopulated and starve to death in the winter. i shoot them and eat them before that happens. i dont get the problem besides, im not sure if you read what i wrote but if we banned fishing COMPLETELY and didnt do ANYTHING those species will be extinct in a few years , whats your solution

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by damian2001

Using your analogy - we know how to protect the beehive - stop taking more than is sustainable.

With just one beehive none of us will be able to survive - so perhaps we need look at it from a diffrent angle.

Restore the natural balance that we had for many years before we got greedy.

Going back to the Seals - they also eat larger fish that prey on Cod. Get some balance back in the system and it will start working again.

perhaps you didnt read what i wrote above WE ARENT TAKING more than is sustainable , we arent taking ANY , its been completely banned , the only thing eating those fish are seals ... and other fish i suppose..

so what is your solution.. as i said above if we banned all fishing , those fish will go extinct , whats your solution.. every year that goes by without one means the decimation of certain species.. the only one available right now is culling the ballooning seal population.

[Damian_Maxcash]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

perhaps you didnt read what i wrote above WE ARENT TAKING more than is sustainable , we arent taking ANY......

I have to admit that I didnt see that

Have you got a reference?

I thought it was just a 'limited' take - as it is here in the UK

I'm not doubting you - I really do have an interest in this.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by damian2001

I have to admit that I didnt see that

Have you got a reference?

I thought it was just a 'limited' take - as it is here in the UK

I'm not doubting you - I really do have an interest in this.

http://www.panda.org/news_facts/news...?uNewsID=23370

The Grand Banks fisheries, once home to one of the world's most abundant populations of cod, collapsed in the 1990s, leading to a total fishing moratorium for this species in 1994.

[SmokeyTheBear]

seals eat approx 10 billion dollars of sih per year , if we dont do something , we wont have any fish , just pretty untasty seals to look at

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

with all respect we arent talking about "deer" but if we were and you knew something about deers you would know in some areas deer ARE overpopulated and starve to death in the winter. i shoot them and eat them before that happens. i dont get the problem besides, im not sure if you read what i wrote but if we banned fishing COMPLETELY and didnt do ANYTHING those species will be extinct in a few years , whats your solution

A) Deer is just an example. Don't be anal, you can put any animal in there.

B) The plural of deer is DEER there isn't an S.

C) if they die they die. The strongest survive the way it was meant to be. History tells us everytime man tries to do natures job we fuck it up.

D) I propose no solution because I said I wasn't geting into that discussion. I case you didn't bother to read that part.

[Smurfette]

Its a bit funny about all the debating thats going on and all the coverage the seal hunters are getting. On the news the other night they interviewed the lady that sells flippers on the waterfront she said her sales are better this year then previous years. Alot of flipper pie getting made this friday here!! LOL

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by GatorB

B) The plural of deer is DEER there isn't an S.
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well shit my whole argument must be wrong..

Originally Posted by GatorB

C) if they die they die. The strongest survive the way it was meant to be. History tells us everytime man tries to do natures job we fuck it up.

you obviously missed the point .. WE fucked it up, it wasn't "meant to be" , we fucked it up, we have a chance to save it my culling seals get it ?

Originally Posted by GatorB

D) I propose no solution because I said I wasn't geting into that discussion. I case you didn't bother to read that part.

ahh you arent getting in this discussion i see , thats why you posted in this thread.. that makes sense. generally when i dont want to discuss things i make it a point to discuss them.. well guess what there is a solution , its to cull seals and fix the problem , your solution is dont kill seals , no soltution and we lose 10 billion dollars worth of fish a year until they are gone.. great solution

are you still bent out of shape about that 9/11 thread ? you did see i was being facetious about that right ?

[SmokeyTheBear]

heres a basic cliffnote on cod and seals , when we started mass fishing we also killed lots of seals , so when we started commercial fishing and such , no matter how many fisah we caught it didnt dent the population ( because we were killing seals at the same time and they eat cod ) so the fish were basically thriving because we were killing so many seals, it wasn't until we stopped killing seals that cod started to severely decline , then the seal population boomed and we suddenly had a big problem , so we banned cod , but we also let the seals rebound , and they were way ahead of the cod so its not helping much.. so the problem is like easter island right now , the population of seals is so big the cod cant sustain it , they will eventually be wiped out unless we even things out a bit by killing the seals and have a more clear understanding of our ecosystem and how it works

If we dont the seals will eat the cod until they are gone , then the seals will die because there arent enough cod to sustain them..

[2HousePlague]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

heres a basic cliffnote on cod and seals , when we started mass fishing we also killed lots of seals , so when we started commercial fishing and such , no matter how many fisah we caught it didnt dent the population ( because we were killing seals at the same time and they eat cod ) so the fish were basically thriving because we were killing so many seals, it wasn't until we stopped killing seals that cod started to severely decline , then the seal population boomed and we suddenly had a big problem , so we banned cod , but we also let the seals rebound , and they were way ahead of the cod so its not helping much.. so the problem is like easter island right now , the population of seals is so big the cod cant sustain it , they will eventually be wiped out unless we even things out a bit by killing the seals and have a more clear understanding of our ecosystem and how it works

If we dont the seals will eat the cod until they are gone , then the seals will die because there arent enough cod to sustain them..

Exactly. It's like Heisenberg. Ya can't get yer "finger in there" and muck with a pre-existing system, then pretend to validate yer logical theories on how to manipulate that system in Original Truth.

2hp

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Ok I'm not getting into this debate, but people that say we need to hunt "to help" the animals population is bullshit. Animals have been doing fine for MILLIONS of years before the first human was even around. Now they need our "help"? Hey, you like to kill animals for fun then man up and say it. Don't use some pseudo eco-physcobabble bullshit.

are you arguing that animals have not constantly been going extinct since the dawn of time?

[wyldblyss]

It is a vicious circle and one that biologists have been trying to solve for years.

We have ruined the environment, many species that were around to keep another species in check is extinct, so the species left become over populated....which endangers another species and so on and so on. We have over fished. Sure we can fish less, but not all countries will cooperate and so fishing less just means that another country will fish more.

Nature is like a zillion strands of dna that has to be fit in its exact sequence in order to work perfectly...the problem is we have lost strands of DNA, and we aren't sure how to build it again with the missing code. It is a huge puzzle and no one can figure it out. Sure, the best thing would be to have never messed with it in the first place....but man has been messing with it for generations and we are stuck with the aftermath.

It isn't pretty

[Damian_Maxcash]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

heres a basic cliffnote on cod and seals , when we started mass fishing we also killed lots of seals , so when we started commercial fishing and such , no matter how many fisah we caught it didnt dent the population ( because we were killing seals at the same time and they eat cod ) so the fish were basically thriving because we were killing so many seals, it wasn't until we stopped killing seals that cod started to severely decline , then the seal population boomed and we suddenly had a big problem , so we banned cod , but we also let the seals rebound , and they were way ahead of the cod so its not helping much.. so the problem is like easter island right now , the population of seals is so big the cod cant sustain it , they will eventually be wiped out unless we even things out a bit by killing the seals and have a more clear understanding of our ecosystem and how it works

If we dont the seals will eat the cod until they are gone , then the seals will die because there arent enough cod to sustain them..

Good argument - except - we didnt know this when we started killing the Seals.

also the hunt is not just in the places where the cod stocks are affected. Its just a small part of it.

So its back to being 2 excuses for this - in my experience when you need 2 arguments, 1 or more likely, both, are bullshit.

Anyway, save the thread, I'm way too drunk to save the seals now. I have a feeling it will come up again

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by wyldblyss

It is a vicious circle and one that biologists have been trying to solve for years.

We have ruined the environment, many species that were around to keep another species in check is extinct, so the species left become over populated....which endangers another species and so on and so on. We have over fished. Sure we can fish less, but not all countries will cooperate and so fishing less just means that another country will fish more.

Nature is like a zillion strands of dna that has to be fit in its exact sequence in order to work perfectly...the problem is we have lost strands of DNA, and we aren't sure how to build it again with the missing code. It is a huge puzzle and no one can figure it out. Sure, the best thing would be to have never messed with it in the first place....but man has been messing with it for generations and we are stuck with the aftermath.

It isn't pretty

great summation.. im gonna use that sometime

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by damian2001

Good argument - except - we didnt know this when we started killing the Seals.

also the hunt is not just in the places where the cod stocks are affected. Its just a small part of it.

So its back to being 2 excuses for this - in my experience when you need 2 arguments, 1 or more likely, both, are bullshit.

Anyway, save the thread, I'm way too drunk to save the seals now. I have a feeling it will come up again

nobody is saying its a perfect solution, what we are saying is its the ONLY solution right now..

you can either throw up your hands and say " nature will sort it out " or you can say "hey we fucked up nature , maybe we should try to put it back as best we can because all data suggest we fucked with it so much we are gonna lose some shit here"

Theres 2 arguments because theres 2 issues here..

#1 the killing of seals with clubs and such

#2 the killing of seals period

ok theres 3 actually

#3 boycotting canadian seafood ( thread topic )

#1-The only way we know to kill seals is to bash them with clubs, guns scare them , the government has a ban on silencers for guns..

easy solution , issue permits for silencers

problem # 1 solved

#2 this is kind of 2 parts , seals are actually used for meat and skins like other animals ( cows etc ) , but the seal hunts arent meant for that ( mainly ) , they are culls to keep the population in check as the cod stocks rebuild on their own, this isnt the best solution but i dont hear any others..

#3 boycotting canadian seafood just doesnt make sense , almost every country has farms where animals are treated thousand of times worse than a club to the head.. it just doesnt make sense.. how can anyone compare the lifetme mistreatment of cows/pigs/chickens to a one-time clubbing and call it a boycottable offense

[Holly]

Let's just boycott Canada. Less hassle.

[SmokeyTheBear]

heres a simple example of the situation..

when we came here we found a garden half full of dandelions ( seals ) and the other half filled with strawberries ( fish )

We made dandelion wine out of the dandelions ( seals ) and strawberry cake out of the strawberries ( fish ), no matter how many dandelions or srawberries we picked they would always grow back..

Then we fucked up and stopped picking dandelions(seals) and only picked strawberries( fish ) all was well for awhile the strawberries would grow back ,but slowly the dandelions started growing into the strawberry half of the garden because we never picked any dandelions.. by the time we realised it the garden was 90% dandelions and 10% strawberries, so we stopped picking strawberries so they could grow back , but it didnt work , there are so many dandelions , they are choking out the sunlight and not allowing any strawberries to grow so now we either cut back some of the dandelions so we can let the strawberries grow back or we dont do anything and the dandelions will eventually kill the last of the strawberries and all we will have is dandelions..

[SmokeyTheBear]

i like how they call them "american seals" lol

[SmokeyTheBear]

personally im all for people boycotting canadian seafood , keep it in canada they should ban all commercial fishing period , maybe even put up border guards and tell "american seals" to fuck right off , fine them for how much fish they eat while in canadian waters then impound them until americans pay the fee... fuck now theres an industry .. sell impounded seals to peta..

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

are you arguing that animals have not constantly been going extinct since the dawn of time?

No. Some animals like deer or seals for that matter have existed for millions of years without mans "help" now they need our "help"? Um...no. I'm not taking a side on this issue all I am saying is the "help" excuse is just a bunch of BS. Man up and say you like killing things if that's what you want to do. If someone is too much of a pussy to do that then he doesn't need to be killing things since he is a pussy.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

you obviously missed the point .. WE fucked it up, it wasn't "meant to be" , we fucked it up, we have a chance to save it my culling seals get it ?

No YOU are missing the point. You admit that WE fuck up so naturally the answer is that WE fix it. Ok you take your car to get worked on the mechanic fucks it up more, you want the SAME guy to fix the car he just fucked up? Um no you get someone else to do it. If he could fix it he wouldn't have fucked up in the first place.

are you still bent out of shape about that 9/11 thread ? you did see i was being facetious about that right ?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Linkster]

The real underlying reason for all of the overpopulation control problems(which all of these deer, seal, cod etc etc) boil down to is because the human population needs to be culled (something nature should take care of pretty soon) as we have cut down the natural "space" that the animal populations had and concentrated the animals in areas way too small for them to populate normally. Of course the fact that we have "animal lovers" that dont understand that animal populations will take care of culling themselves through very brutal confrontations doesnt help (cue the PETA bamboo wielders video) and bleeding heart idiots that think that animals using their natural territorial instincts whilst killing each other is abnormal.

[chadglni]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Ok I'm not getting into this debate, but people that say we need to hunt "to help" the animals population is bullshit. Animals have been doing fine for MILLIONS of years before the first human was even around. Now they need our "help"? Hey, you like to kill animals for fun then man up and say it. Don't use some pseudo eco-physcobabble bullshit.

It's amazing you can never think more than 1 step ahead. In those millions of years a lot of shit was EATEN TO DEATH. Make fuckin sense?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Linkster

The real underlying reason for all of the overpopulation control problems(which all of these deer, seal, cod etc etc) boil down to is because the human population needs to be culled (something nature should take care of pretty soon) as we have cut down the natural "space" that the animal populations had and concentrated the animals in areas way too small for them to populate normally. Of course the fact that we have "animal lovers" that dont understand that animal populations will take care of culling themselves through very brutal confrontations doesnt help (cue the PETA bamboo wielders video) and bleeding heart idiots that think that animals using their natural territorial instincts whilst killing each other is abnormal.

Well while I agree there are places where there are too many humans ( China, India to name 2 ) Canada isn't one of them. Bigger than the US but 1/10 the population.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by chadglni

It's amazing you can never think more than 1 step ahead. In those millions of years a lot of shit was EATEN TO DEATH. Make fuckin sense?

WTF does that have to do with anything? YOU make some fucking sense.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by GatorB

No. Some animals like deer or seals for that matter have existed for millions of years without mans "help" now they need our "help"? Um...no. I'm not taking a side on this issue all I am saying is the "help" excuse is just a bunch of BS. Man up and say you like killing things if that's what you want to do. If someone is too much of a pussy to do that then he doesn't need to be killing things since he is a pussy.

wtf ? do you really think canadians kill seals because we like killing things ? cmon now that makes no sense , its not like a national pasttime its a few designated hunters that do it.. dont be rediculous


Im not sure if you have read the thread or if you just cant grasp the concept deer arent the same as cod. you also seem to miss the fact its not the seals that need our help its the cod.. read my example above and if you still think we should let the dandelions ( seals ) decimate whats left of the strawberries (fish )

Go do some research on seal and cod populations over the last 100 years and you will have alot more information to go on than an uninformed " let nature sort it out ' attitude

bottom line is if we let seal populations rebound like they are , we will have no cod left that would have been fine if we left them alone.. if you cant understand that your own preconcieved notions cloud your judgement.

Anyone can bash any method of anything , it takes someone with some knowledge of the subject to come up with a better solution, so far i havent heard one.. not here and not from fisheries experts or marine biliogists or animal lovers or anyone , theres only 2 options.. kill some seals , save our fish , dont kill seals , put species of fish into extinction that we could have saved..

[chadglni]

Another damn thing you crybabies need to consider is that WE ARE PART OF NATURE. Just because we're the most developed doesn't mean anything in that regard. Go eat your fucking plants and leave us the hell alone.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

bottom line is if we let seal populations rebound like they are , we will have no cod left that would have been fine if we left them alone.. if you cant understand that your own preconcieved notions cloud your judgement.

Thing do eat seals. theya re called SHARKS and POLAR BEARS. If we'd stop killing them then nature will take its course. Let's say the seals eat most of the fish. Ok then the eventually the seals starve to death and die off en amss. When the seals population gets low enough the fish population will grow back because there are less seals to eat them. Aint nature grand?

Anyone can bash any method of anything , it takes someone with some knowledge of the subject to come up with a better solution, so far i havent heard one.. not here and not from fisheries experts or marine biliogists or animal lovers or anyone , theres only 2 options.. kill some seals , save our fish , dont kill seals , put species of fish into extinction that we could have saved..

I don't have a solution to your problem and never claimed to have one. Anyone that does would have a job in the Interrior Department.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Ok you take your car to get worked on the mechanic fucks it up more, you want the SAME guy to fix the car he just fucked up? Um no you get someone else to do it. If he could fix it he wouldn't have fucked up in the first place.
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no we asked marine biologists and fisheries experts that werent around when we were decimating our fish popultaion.. there a difference..

again whats your solution.? while you sit there bitching about the solution that works the fish are going extinct get it ?

your plan is " get someone else to do it." lol apathy isnt a solution.. there isnt anyone better to do it..

or did you mean better than marine biologists and better than fisheries experts ..

we will wait for your "someone else" to do it.. while all the fish die..

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by chadglni

Another damn thing you crybabies need to consider is that WE ARE PART OF NATURE. Just because we're the most developed doesn't mean anything in that regard. Go eat your fucking plants and leave us the hell alone.

Great then go kill the seals with your bare hands. Also you have to be naked. Using weapons and wearing clothes is not a part of nature. Any more genius comments?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

while all the fish die..

life sucks then you die. Mother nature is mean bitch sometimes.

[CDSmith]

end of argument.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Thing do eat seals. theya re called SHARKS and POLAR BEARS. If we'd stop killing them then nature will take its course. Let's say the seals eat most of the fish. Ok then the eventually the seals starve to death and die off en amss. When the seals population gets low enough the fish population will grow back because there are less seals to eat them. Aint nature grand?

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gregb's marine biology 101.. dont quit your day job

If you knew ANYTHING about the facts , even the remotest clue about seal and cod populations you wouldnt make such an assinine response

first off , who said anything about not eating seals ? i eat seal its not great but its not the worst thing around..

Secondly why would the seals eat "most" of the fish and then starve to death , you have no concept of reality..

Lock a 100 people in a barn with 3 chickens , and tell me they will eat "most" of the chickens , starve themselves to death and the chickens will repopulate themselves lol get real.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by GatorB

life sucks then you die. Mother nature is mean bitch sometimes.

so seals killing fish is different than us killing seals how ?

so you care about seals but not about fish ?

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by GatorB

I don't have a solution to your problem and never claimed to have one. Anyone that does would have a job in the Interrior Department.

Pleeeeeze - we cant have anyone with intelligence in the Interior Department - hell - the Secretary of Interior just stepped down due to her close ties with the biggest lobbying scandal - Jack Abramoff
She single-handidly ruined just about every good project out there and put in some really good benefits for corporations - just wait till you see the National Park System in a few years when her new rules take effect - where corporate sponsorship of the park system becomes effective and they get to take the parts they want for themselves for oil drilling, timber and the McDonalds in the woods - heck she even was able to kill off the whole salmon population on the Klamath River (only 150 mill a year for local fisherman) that was actually maintaining for the first time in history an abundent stock of salmon and returning the river to its wild levels - but no that water had to be used for her corporate friends that contributed to her retirement fund

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Lock a 100 people in a barn with 3 chickens , and tell me they will eat "most" of the chickens , starve themselves to death and the chickens will repopulate themselves lol get real.

So what you are saying ther is 33 times more seals than fish? um no. There will are MANY time more fish than seals.