What are your thoughts on this? - GoFuckYourself.com

AaronM · 04-04-2006, 07:07 PM

We all know our industry has a negative stereo type tied to it. The most typical of these is the suggestion that all pornographers abuse drugs and/or are somehow tied to CP.

The media tends to link drugs and CP to porn every chance they get. A story of Joe Francis (GGW) with coke in his possession is 1000 times more likely to hit the front page than a story about how much money the Adult Industry has donated to various charities around the world.

So......Does it seem OK to you for us, as an industry, to show public support for any illegal activities which may lead to further stereo typing of our already "sleazeball" image?

What are your thoughts on this?

tony286 · 04-04-2006, 07:15 PM

Lets see you got a industry that thinks pimps are cool, gangsters are cool and dresses models up like little girls with pigtails and teddy bears, falls over themselves for girls that look younger then 18. Hmmmmmm
Embrace and line up to sell products that they know are frauds.
The problem is most have a very short term mentality, its make money and get out quick. It would be interesting to ask what is your 5 yr and 10 plan and see how many have working in adult in those plans.

AaronM · 04-04-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Lets see you got a industry that thinks pimps are cool, gangsters are cool and dresses models up like little girls with pigtails and teddy bears, falls over themselves for girls that look younger then 18. Hmmmmmm
Embrace and line up to sell products that they know are frauds.
The problem is most have a very short term mentality, its make money and get out quick. It would be interesting to ask what is your 5 yr and 10 plan and see how many have working in adult in those plans.

So you're OK with it then.

Thank you.

tony286 · 04-04-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

So you're OK with it then.

Thank you.

No Im not sorry but I can see why it happens.

vidvicious · 04-04-2006, 07:25 PM

you said it all in your post Aaron .. It's a stereo type .. that in it self says it's not condusive to all pornographers ... I completely disagree .. I myself make yearly contributions to Sex worker education ...

RRRED · 04-04-2006, 07:30 PM

Whether I condone drug use or not doesn't really matter but I CAN HONESTLY SAY that when I was going over the pros and cons of taking this job with Karups, the fact that Lou is 100% drug free definitely factored into my final decisions.

I'm very proud of that and it really puts me at ease for the long term stability of the company and my position there.

BusterBunny · 04-04-2006, 07:32 PM

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Pure Evil · 04-04-2006, 07:33 PM

nothing is going to change until more educated and intelligent people start taking control of this industry. as it sits now this industry is a fucking joke in clown shoes from a professional standpoint

sonofsam · 04-04-2006, 07:36 PM

I think you're a scammer...

wait.. what was the question again?

s9ann0 · 04-04-2006, 07:38 PM

if porn was accepted it wouldn't be a good industry to be in IMHO so I think we need to keep the bad image up

AaronM · 04-04-2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam

I think you're a scammer...

wait.. what was the question again?

Maybe you do....But what does your attorney think?

Sue me or STFU.

SilentKnight · 04-12-2006, 11:59 PM

The negative stereotype is sustained by too many sources to effectively do anything about it, even if the industry as a whole somehow managed to form a cohesive alliance within itself.

Many moons ago, much of the porn industry was used by organized crime as a way of funding its other activities - and that reputation has never fully left the collective memory of many. Hell, the bondage niche industry was once entirely dominated (pardon the pun) by organized crime in the early days. They controlled virtually all major production and distribution of print and film.

It goes without saying that's its not a good thing to show support of illegal activities that cast a negative stereotype on us all - but again, without a central core that represents our best interests...there's really no feasible way of sustaining a protracted positive image campaign to the public.

On top of that, there are too many christian and fundamentalist influences in the mainstream mass media (and politics) that make it their self-appointed mission to amplify the negativity against the adult industry every chance they get. Sure, we've made some major inroads over the past few years...but only small battles have been won. Often its one step forward and two steps back.

pocketkangaroo · 04-13-2006, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Lets see you got a industry that thinks pimps are cool, gangsters are cool and dresses models up like little girls with pigtails and teddy bears, falls over themselves for girls that look younger then 18. Hmmmmmm
Embrace and line up to sell products that they know are frauds.
The problem is most have a very short term mentality, its make money and get out quick. It would be interesting to ask what is your 5 yr and 10 plan and see how many have working in adult in those plans.

Can't that be said for a lot of industries that are not torched by the mainstream? The most popular video games are about being a gangster and shooting cops and fucking hookers (Grand Theft Auto). The top selling album charts are filled with rap and hip-hop artists who sing about degrading women, doing drugs, and shooting other people. The most popular TV shows involve some sort of sexual theme to it. Heck, did Britney Spears gain her popularity at 17 from her vocal skills?

The fact is, this kind of stuff goes on all over the place. As a society though, certain industries have been deemed evil while others are considered OK. It's socially acceptible for the church to bash gays, single mothers, and porn, but seen as a "war on religion" the minute someone turns around to call them self-rightous. If the porn community single handidly ended poverty and solved world peace, there'd still be that negative stereotype hovering over it. Yet no one seems to mind that Catholic priests as an occupation have the highest percent of pedophiles among them.

But I believe that these stereotypes are created by the extremes of our society. Is a majority of the country against porn? Probably not if you look at the sales of it. Will it ever be socially acceptible to discuss what porn sites you belong to at work? Probably not.

I've gotten a bit off topic but my point is that although I don't believe in supporting illegal activities, I don't think it is anyone's responsiblity to go out of their way to convince the public that the stereotype is wrong.

SilentKnight · 04-13-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I don't think it is anyone's responsiblity to go out of their way to convince the public that the stereotype is wrong.

True...and at the same time it also comes down to - who has the time to do it anyways?

Let's face it, many of us put in long hours tending to our own respective business affairs - production, webmastering, updating, marketing and advertising, etc. At the end of the day, there's seldom time left over to put on an activist hat and go do something about promoting the positive aspects of the industry.

And that's assuming one can even get past the notion of apathy and futility.

I've done a few pro-porn activist stunts in the past (letter-writing and ongoing confrontations with local religious freaks) - but it was purely from the perspective of my own personal and business self-interest...not because I felt any sort of 'higher calling' to stand up as an industry spokesperson.

ricks · 04-13-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

What are your thoughts on this?

You think you are a gangster, but you are just a scammer.

Raven · 04-13-2006, 10:36 AM

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So......Does it seem OK to you for us, as an industry, to show public support for any illegal activities which may lead to further stereo typing of our already "sleazeball" image?

Define 'any'.

If it's something like weed, then I support its legalisation and give a mighty 'fuck you, who gives a damn' to further stereotyping....

If it involves recruiting underage models, then no. That is also illegal, yet is done by some photographers and pornographers...

VicJay · 04-13-2006, 10:44 AM

[QUOTE=Raven]Define 'any'.

If it's something like weed, then I support its legalisation and give a mighty 'fuck you, who gives a damn' to further stereotyping....

If it involves recruiting underage models, then no.

Totally agree

04-04-2006, 07:07 PM	#1
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	What are your thoughts on this? We all know our industry has a negative stereo type tied to it. The most typical of these is the suggestion that all pornographers abuse drugs and/or are somehow tied to CP. The media tends to link drugs and CP to porn every chance they get. A story of Joe Francis (GGW) with coke in his possession is 1000 times more likely to hit the front page than a story about how much money the Adult Industry has donated to various charities around the world. So......Does it seem OK to you for us, as an industry, to show public support for any illegal activities which may lead to further stereo typing of our already "sleazeball" image? What are your thoughts on this?

04-04-2006, 07:25 PM	#5
vidvicious Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 4,765	you said it all in your post Aaron .. It's a stereo type .. that in it self says it's not condusive to all pornographers ... I completely disagree .. I myself make yearly contributions to Sex worker education ... __________________ 3D-VR live webcams Facebook profile "I take pics for the "Casual Encounters" section of Craigslist."

04-04-2006, 07:32 PM	#7
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Pure Evil Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: At the top of the food chain Posts: 1,737	nothing is going to change until more educated and intelligent people start taking control of this industry. as it sits now this industry is a fucking joke in clown shoes from a professional standpoint __________________ I am the fourth Horseman. *If someone offers you an amazing hosting deal, call WEBAIR before you choose. You won't* be sorry.**

04-04-2006, 07:36 PM	#9
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,639	I think you're a scammer... wait.. what was the question again? __________________ I like turtles.

04-04-2006, 07:15 PM	#2
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Lets see you got a industry that thinks pimps are cool, gangsters are cool and dresses models up like little girls with pigtails and teddy bears, falls over themselves for girls that look younger then 18. Hmmmmmm Embrace and line up to sell products that they know are frauds. The problem is most have a very short term mentality, its make money and get out quick. It would be interesting to ask what is your 5 yr and 10 plan and see how many have working in adult in those plans.

04-04-2006, 07:30 PM	#6
RRRED Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WA Posts: 6,754	Whether I condone drug use or not doesn't really matter but I CAN HONESTLY SAY that when I was going over the pros and cons of taking this job with Karups, the fact that Lou is 100% drug free definitely factored into my final decisions. I'm very proud of that and it really puts me at ease for the long term stability of the company and my position there.

04-04-2006, 07:38 PM	#10
s9ann0 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 4,873	if porn was accepted it wouldn't be a good industry to be in IMHO so I think we need to keep the bad image up

04-12-2006, 11:59 PM	#12
SilentKnight Megan Fox's fluffer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: shooting pool in Elysium Posts: 24,818	The negative stereotype is sustained by too many sources to effectively do anything about it, even if the industry as a whole somehow managed to form a cohesive alliance within itself. Many moons ago, much of the porn industry was used by organized crime as a way of funding its other activities - and that reputation has never fully left the collective memory of many. Hell, the bondage niche industry was once entirely dominated (pardon the pun) by organized crime in the early days. They controlled virtually all major production and distribution of print and film. It goes without saying that's its not a good thing to show support of illegal activities that cast a negative stereotype on us all - but again, without a central core that represents our best interests...there's really no feasible way of sustaining a protracted positive image campaign to the public. On top of that, there are too many christian and fundamentalist influences in the mainstream mass media (and politics) that make it their self-appointed mission to amplify the negativity against the adult industry every chance they get. Sure, we've made some major inroads over the past few years...but only small battles have been won. Often its one step forward and two steps back.

04-13-2006, 10:44 AM	#17
VicJay Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,622	[QUOTE=Raven]Define 'any'. If it's something like weed, then I support its legalisation and give a mighty 'fuck you, who gives a damn' to further stereotyping.... If it involves recruiting underage models, then no. Totally agree __________________ Use Xeon Vega CMS: It's reliable and fast learning script that provides you with the most efficient control over your paysites! Increase your traffic using Xeon TGP/MGP scripts with its unique thumbnail rotator, advance stats and gallery checker! Xeon Paysite Reviews – interactive manager that allows you to categorize your reviews, add a hardlinks trades and announcements for new reviews!