Is the expired domains business market still profitable? - GoFuckYourself.com

Quotealex · 04-03-2006, 05:11 PM

By profitable, I mean generating at least $2.00 per $1.00 invested.

I figure the cost of running this model for 1,000 domains would be around $10,500 which is broken down as follow:
- Domains cost from a registrar that do free URL forwarding: $8,000 ($8 per domain)
- Creating a landing page: $1,000 (40 hours at $25/hour including script, design, content)
- Maintenance of the network: $1,300 (1 hour per week at $25/hour X 52 weeks)
- Hosting: $120 ($10 per month for virtual hosting)
The annual expense after the first year would be about $9,500 if we exclude the landing page cost which is a one time expense.

According to information I got from various people, I figure each domain will get about 10 hits per day (some said 2 other said 20+), so the total traffic per year I expect to get from the 1,000 acquired domains should be around 3,625,000 hits. From these hits going to the landing page, I figure about 5% (182,500) will click on one of the sponsors links.
From that 182,500 sponsors visits, I estimate a conversion ratio of 1:500, which comes out to 365 signups.

Assuming the average signup brings $30, the generated gross revenue from this model is $10,950 per year for an expense of $10,500 for the first year and $9,500 the following years.

If my numbers are correct, I don?t see how the expired domains game is a profitable business!

Dirty Dane · 04-03-2006, 05:27 PM

Profitable, but why lots of costs and time on domains? You can easily gain 3.5 mill hits per year with 10-12 domains. One database, several shitty TGPs, with better revenue.

Quotealex · 04-03-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Profitable, but why lots of costs and time on domains?

To diversify your traffic source

Quotealex · 04-03-2006, 05:40 PM

And I'm not sure you can pull in a ctr of 1:20 with a TGP site!

Blogster · 04-03-2006, 05:49 PM

or choose a good landingpage with a PPC sponsor :>

Manowar · 04-03-2006, 05:53 PM

high traffic expired domains + other people's parking = easiest $ ever

(see www.textocean.com sedo stats for an example, only been parked for like a week)

polish_aristocrat · 04-03-2006, 06:00 PM

Manowar, do you own textocean.com ?

and why does it receive so many hits? im lost a little, it doesnt seem to be a typein / typo domain...

Quotealex · 04-03-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

high traffic expired domains + other people's parking = easiest $ ever

(see www.textocean.com sedo stats for an example, only been parked for like a week)

Couldn't you make your own PHP landing page and get even more $$$?

KRL · 04-03-2006, 06:11 PM

You're making something that is simple into something complex.

K.I.S.S. always always always.

To succeed in the domain biz you just need to be an astute buyer, a master at monetization, aware of new keyword trends, and know when to sell and unload domains beginning to weaken in performance.

PS - Your numbers are all off by the way.

JasonB · 04-03-2006, 06:17 PM

you can get domains for much cheaper than $8 if you're gonna buy 1000

Quotealex · 04-03-2006, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL

You're making something that is simple into something complex.

K.I.S.S. always always always.

To succeed in the domain biz you just need to be an astute buyer, a master at monetization, aware of new keyword trends, and know when to sell and unload domains beginning to weaken in performance.

PS - Your numbers are all off by the way.

care to share your numbers?

madawgz · 04-03-2006, 07:26 PM

expired domains suck

Quotealex · 04-04-2006, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonB

you can get domains for much cheaper than $8 if you're gonna buy 1000

I'd be interested in knowing where you can get domains with URLs fowarding for less than $8.00/domain.

polle54 · 04-04-2006, 05:33 AM

never understood that biz, can anyone give me a link to where you might discover these experied domains?

Quotealex · 04-04-2006, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by polle54

never understood that biz, can anyone give me a link to where you might discover these experied domains?

There are lots of scripts and sites that list expired domains. There are lots of sites and script that list expired domains, search for "expired domains" on Google for links...

smashface · 04-04-2006, 08:14 AM

Hey Alex,

I used to have a script that would poll available domains which were listed in DMOZ and Yahoo Directory. Although I didn't configure the two, you could also have the name registered for you via an Enom reseller account.

I don't know if you meant to only buy expired adult domains, but the other benefit you receive is unsolicited offers for the names. $100-300 isn't an unrealistic offer.

Krille · 04-04-2006, 08:19 AM

why pay $8 when you can pay $6.75 at fabulous.com

Quotealex · 04-04-2006, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by smashface

Hey Alex,

I used to have a script that would poll available domains which were listed in DMOZ and Yahoo Directory. Although I didn't configure the two, you could also have the name registered for you via an Enom reseller account.

I don't know if you meant to only buy expired adult domains, but the other benefit you receive is unsolicited offers for the names. $100-300 isn't an unrealistic offer.

If I can get better numbers (i.e. at least $2.00 return for every $1.00 spent), i will probably start with adult domains and then branch out into mainstrean a few months later.

Manowar · 04-04-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

Manowar, do you own www.textocean.com ?

and why does it receive so many hits? im lost a little, it doesnt seem to be a typein / typo domain...

Used to be a popular site. Lots of backlinks and alexa

Quotealex · 04-04-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Krille

why pay $8 when you can pay $6.75 at fabulous.com

Does the price includes free URLs forwarding?
There's lots of places where you can get domains for less than $8/domain but they charges extra for the forwading service.

Manowar · 04-05-2006, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

Used to be a popular site. Lots of backlinks and alexa

Just picked up www.vip52.com

in the alexa top 100,000

Krille · 04-05-2006, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal

Does the price includes free URLs forwarding?
There's lots of places where you can get domains for less than $8/domain but they charges extra for the forwading service.

yes, that's why i posted...

Screaming · 04-05-2006, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

Just picked up www.vip52.com

in the alexa top 100,000

the lower the number the better...

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Manowar · 04-05-2006, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Screaming

the lower the number the better...

about 60,000

strobi · 04-05-2006, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

Just picked up www.vip52.com

in the alexa top 100,000

What tools do you use to snap expired domains? The big guys seem to snatch up all the nice domains before I can even check them...

Manowar · 04-05-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by strobi

What tools do you use to snap expired domains? The big guys seem to snatch up all the nice domains before I can even check them...

Hit me up on ICQ: 216233171 sometime, I'll let you in on the info ;)

just put $1k price tag on www.vip52.com ... I'd rather let someone else monetise the amount of traffic and just take a profit on it from sale.

Quotealex · 04-05-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Krille

yes, that's why i posted...

If it indeed include url fowarding to any site on my choosing, then it is a great price and will improve my numbers

Pornwolf · 04-05-2006, 05:09 PM

You can get domains for $5.99 at www.1and1.com

If I were just buying for the flip like you guys I'd buy all my domains from them.

Quotealex · 04-05-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

You can get domains for $5.99 at www.1and1.com

It's not just the price of purchasing the domain, the registrar must also include the URL fowarding service in the price.

Manowar · 04-06-2006, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal

It's not just the price of purchasing the domain, the registrar must also include the URL fowarding service in the price.

I know namecheap do that, and with vouchers the price is $7.99 all the time.

a bit high though

Krille · 04-06-2006, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal

If it indeed include url fowarding to any site on my choosing, then it is a great price and will improve my numbers

fabulous rocks your boat, just make sure you signup for a premier account or wtf they are called

Quotealex · 04-06-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

I know namecheap do that, and with vouchers the price is $7.99 all the time.

a bit high though

compared to the $35 I'm paying for some of my domains, $7.99 don't seem that expensive

chadglni · 04-06-2006, 04:58 PM

Alex you are one weird ass dude. Weren't you the one saying PPS programs can't work either? Anyhow if you can't make more than $10,000 off of 3 million hits you need to carry your ass to McDonalds and ask for an application. Good Lord man.

Young · 04-06-2006, 05:02 PM

Manowar care to share your expertise?

andrej_NDC · 04-06-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

Weren't you the one saying PPS programs can't work either?

That was Alex from San Diego, the former owner of JSA, if Im correct.

Quotealex · 04-06-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

Alex you are one weird ass dude. Weren't you the one saying PPS programs can't work either? Anyhow if you can't make more than $10,000 off of 3 million hits you need to carry your ass to McDonalds and ask for an application. Good Lord man.

No it wasn't me; and were talking 3 million page views, not hits sent to sponsors.

04-06-2006, 06:16 PM

I'd like to be a little more active in this market again... I stopped since deleteddomains.com went paid... Maybe I ought to signup again.

StatsJunky · 04-06-2006, 06:39 PM

The expired domain market is one of the most competitive markets out there. Any domain that might have decent traffic and or revenue is almost always caught by one of the drop catchers like SnapNames.com, Pool.com and Enoms club drop and sent into an auction where prices get inflatted fast.

The only way to do OK in the game without alot of $$$ is if you target a small niche market that isn't over speculated. Even doing that will be difficult and the income will be low.

Quotealex · 04-06-2006, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StatsJunky

The expired domain market is one of the most competitive markets out there. Any domain that might have decent traffic and or revenue is almost always caught by one of the drop catchers like SnapNames.com, Pool.com and Enoms club drop and sent into an auction where prices get inflatted fast.

The only way to do OK in the game without alot of $$$ is if you target a small niche market that isn't over speculated. Even doing that will be difficult and the income will be low.

Would you consider domains getting 5 to 20 hits per day to be decent traffic for a mainstream site?

StatsJunky · 04-06-2006, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal

Would you consider domains getting 5 to 20 hits per day to be decent traffic for a mainstream site?

If you can monetize the traffic 5 hits a day is good enough. All depends what kind of traffic you have.

Manowar · 04-07-2006, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by StatsJunky

If you can monetize the traffic 5 hits a day is good enough. All depends what kind of traffic you have.

Totally. I have found with expired domains, typein traffic is gold.

Quotealex · 04-08-2006, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StatsJunky

If you can monetize the traffic 5 hits a day is good enough. All depends what kind of traffic you have.

cool. thanks for the info.

04-03-2006, 05:11 PM	#1
Quotealex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Global Digerati Village Posts: 6,265	Is the expired domains business market still profitable? By profitable, I mean generating at least $2.00 per $1.00 invested. I figure the cost of running this model for 1,000 domains would be around $10,500 which is broken down as follow: - Domains cost from a registrar that do free URL forwarding: $8,000 ($8 per domain) - Creating a landing page: $1,000 (40 hours at $25/hour including script, design, content) - Maintenance of the network: $1,300 (1 hour per week at $25/hour X 52 weeks) - Hosting: $120 ($10 per month for virtual hosting) The annual expense after the first year would be about $9,500 if we exclude the landing page cost which is a one time expense. According to information I got from various people, I figure each domain will get about 10 hits per day (some said 2 other said 20+), so the total traffic per year I expect to get from the 1,000 acquired domains should be around 3,625,000 hits. From these hits going to the landing page, I figure about 5% (182,500) will click on one of the sponsors links. From that 182,500 sponsors visits, I estimate a conversion ratio of 1:500, which comes out to 365 signups. Assuming the average signup brings $30, the generated gross revenue from this model is $10,950 per year for an expense of $10,500 for the first year and $9,500 the following years. If my numbers are correct, I don?t see how the expired domains game is a profitable business!

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Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	Profitable, but why lots of costs and time on domains? You can easily gain 3.5 mill hits per year with 10-12 domains. One database, several shitty TGPs, with better revenue.

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Quotealex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Global Digerati Village Posts: 6,265	And I'm not sure you can pull in a ctr of 1:20 with a TGP site!

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Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	high traffic expired domains + other people's parking = easiest $ ever (see www.textocean.com sedo stats for an example, only been parked for like a week)

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JasonB Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,183	you can get domains for much cheaper than $8 if you're gonna buy 1000

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polle54 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Beach Posts: 4,626	never understood that biz, can anyone give me a link to where you might discover these experied domains? __________________ ICQ# 143561781

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smashface Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 991	Hey Alex, I used to have a script that would poll available domains which were listed in DMOZ and Yahoo Directory. Although I didn't configure the two, you could also have the name registered for you via an Enom reseller account. I don't know if you meant to only buy expired adult domains, but the other benefit you receive is unsolicited offers for the names. $100-300 isn't an unrealistic offer.

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Krille Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bangkok Posts: 2,436	why pay $8 when you can pay $6.75 at fabulous.com

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chadglni Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PEI, Canada Posts: 6,924	Alex you are one weird ass dude. Weren't you the one saying PPS programs can't work either? Anyhow if you can't make more than $10,000 off of 3 million hits you need to carry your ass to McDonalds and ask for an application. Good Lord man. __________________ Sign up here - Dating Site affiliate program

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shermo Guest Posts: n/a	I'd like to be a little more active in this market again... I stopped since deleteddomains.com went paid... Maybe I ought to signup again.

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StatsJunky Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Checking My Stats Posts: 639	The expired domain market is one of the most competitive markets out there. Any domain that might have decent traffic and or revenue is almost always caught by one of the drop catchers like SnapNames.com, Pool.com and Enoms club drop and sent into an auction where prices get inflatted fast. The only way to do OK in the game without alot of $$$ is if you target a small niche market that isn't over speculated. Even doing that will be difficult and the income will be low. __________________ erik AT suthnet.com