In my experience, going by what I like myself is a pretty good way to know what will sell on my sites and what won't. Different people have different tastes, true, but I market to those visiting my sites, not to everyone.

Usually, for content I use on my sites, I go for one of the niches I like (and there are a lot of those), and then use models/sets/pictures that I like in that niche. Works well enough...

Bit of a contradiction there. You go by what you like, yet you market to those visiting your sites. That's fine if you know for a fact that everyone visiting your sites likes exactly what you like.

Hey, I will be the first to say that I won't argue with what works. If it's working for you it's all good.

But whether or not "you'd hit it" should still take a back seat to what your surfers preferences are.



To everyone:

It's also about respect. Calling a new model names and referring to her as ugly (especially when most of them are really not) is downright childish, unprofessional and stupid. Many so-called pornographers and/or webmasters are guilty of that kind of small thinking.

No problem here. People can either read what I'm typing and think about it some, or disregard it completely and go on with their usual schoolyard banter. It's about becoming a better webmaster, and this thread is here because from time to time I like to actually put up something that might help that cause.

Bully for you. Do you own a pay site? If so, you just called your webmaster a faggot.

Is he?

Understand something.... if you're a pornographer you should know that the success of many pornographers is somewhat dependant on their customers (content buyers) and their affiliates. Guess what genius? Those content buyers and affiliates are WEBMASTERS.

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this is the only condsideration in shooting content to my mind . . . as a 'custom exclusive' shooter I don't even conceren my self with the models apperace other than is this model right for a particular shoot, for a certain client . .

I shoot fat girls, bbw's, black girls, punker girls, twinks, mature, and the GND 18-23 . . the twinks pay the best to be real honest about it and the twinks are usually much nicer models than the 18-23 girls and I'm no more sexually attracted to a twinks than I am to the black girls . .

that is the only question, can I understand the 'fetish' enough to create content that will sell and retain . . for my clients . . I still shoot, been shooting content for 6 years for the same group of clients . . to me as a shooter 'teens', asians, twinks, bbw's, etc, are all just fetishes . .

exactly . . . and the really odd thing to me is most of the models I see on tours around here are poorly shoot barley attracive . . . and shot so poorly, they are even worse looking than the really are . . I see a 'content' shooter regualrly post on the board with images that are horrible and yet the comments are 'I'd hit it' 'great stuff' and so forth . . . I will say this: my clients won't buy from the guy . . .


never happen . . this board is mostly jerkoffs . . the real money makers don't usually comment . . they just watch

yes, very good indeed

but would you hit it ?

only if i was gettin paid . .

The difference in the porn content makes no difference in the fact that above all the essence of the porn has to be right. Shooting amateur with a girl who looks bored will not work as well as shooting it with a girl who looks like she wants to be fucked by th photographer/boyfriend. A lot think amateur is just bad photography. It's not and never has bee only about that.


And how much would I lose while learning what turns on a guy looking for something I have no interest in?

I feel some think there is an easy route to selling porn, get the right niche, right number on images/videos, right words and then just send traffic to it. BULLSHIT.

Unless the porn is right you will be sending traffic to a leaking bucket. The most important thing today is to look at the niche and ask yourself, do I know what turns on a guy looking for this niche and does this site deliver it?

Yes the conversion numbers on niche will always out perform those on mainstream. BUT what are the number of hits per hour worked like?

The more niche you go the less people are looking for it, the less you are going to get your free sites accepted and the harder you make it to convert those hitting the site.

I've been around this business for decades and with a few exceptions the mainstream makes the most money for all doing it right. I'm asked if I would shoot this niche or that niche and when I give them the price for exclusive they cringe, when I tell them the set will not sell more than 5 times non exclusive they tell me the huge demand there is for it. This business is one governed by supply and demand. If the demand is there the supply will follow.

BUT I WILL ALWAYS AGREE WITH YOU, NEVER BUY IT BECAUSE YOU WOULD HIT IT, BUY IT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD HIT YOU. In a nice way. :1orglaugh

My webmaster is not a faggot, he is a sailor.

A very famous porn director once told me to be successful in the porn industry, you have to shoot what turns you on. If YOU can't jack off to your own material, how do you expect everyone else to? Shoot what turns you on, your market will find you. If you like it, there are millions of people just like you who will also like it.

Our business has grown every month for the past 3 years shooting in this manner. Trust your gut and trust your cock. If there is not a market for what you do, create one.

Well said! That's what I've always done and its worked just fine for me. :thumbsup

Understand something.... there is a lot more money to be made with adult content than just selling it on the internet.

We have confirmed that all of our affiliates are sailors. Well, we do have a few fags, but they were also sailors at one time. We also do not sell content to webmasters. Only twinkle-toed Commies don't have the balls to shoot their own content.

i'd hit it 50 times

I've always thought that its easier to market something you're interested in?
I know that gay converts for example but I wouldn't see myself doing it.

That's all true except the word is irrelevant. Sorry couldn't resist.

So very very true.

I know of an avenue to get 20 sign ups, with no affiliate pay outs, on a set. That's 20 sign ops minimum.

Think of it 20 times $60, less 15% processor = $1020 on a set.

But don't ask me to tell you.

Yes, as a porn shooter you would be well advised to shoot what you know.

Don't confuse the part of the business I'm referring to with the part of the business you are in.

In the scenario I'm referring to, you could very well be the guy who posts a few shots your your latest model "find". My advice goes directly to those on the boards who A) profess to be webmasters, and B) comment on your model.

Keep the focus.


And... there are huge differences between producing porn and promoting porn. While your post and what you said is 100% true, a webmaster may not be into it yet still promote it and make money from it. This goes to one of my key points about understanding your surfers.

I myself promote all kinds of adult materials across my network of sites. I'm not into trannies but have links to it. I'm not into S&M or bondage but have ads and links and galleries for that on certain sites. I'm not into grannies, nor am I gay but I have promo links for those.

I give my surfers what they want, not what I want.

that is definitly plan 'A' :thumbsup have you ever seen trannie bondage? of grannie trannies? just a thought . .

Hmm,

Now Trannie Oil Wrestling...

I'd hit that.

Bwaaaah

Excellent thread. Thanks, CD

I agree that it sounds like a contradiction at first, but think about it this way:

By limiting the content to what I like (in one way or another), the site gets a certain 'personality'. Surfers who enjoy roughly the same type of content in a certain niche as I do, will enjoy my sites, and thus come back. In turn, by continuing to show that kind of content and market that type of content, I satisfy those surfers, keep them coming back and achieve a good sales ratio.

Of course, my own tastes only serve as an initial guideline. Surfer feedback (whether it be in the form of emails, clicks or sales) ultimately determines what content comes back and what doesn't, as well as the kind of stuff I will be showing in the future.