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directfiesta 03-27-2006 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
Most planes are trying NOT to crash. Hence the difference. Free fall speed is way different than a full throttle plane.

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stickyfingerz 03-27-2006 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z
Do you think the people of Germany believed their leader didn't have their best interest in mind and that he was also exterminating the Jews? Hitler had a huge approval rating. Can you imagine the shock Germans felt when they finally realized what was going on?

It's a natural knee jerk reaction to deny that members of your own government are doing something so bad. That is why 99.9% of Americans are blind patriots.

People see the 9/11 evidence and they immediately blow it off with "This is America, and that can't happen here!" Yes, I'm afraid it can.


As for the holes or down right crazy parts of some alternative 9/11 theories, everything is still in it's early stages. Just because certain parts have been discredited doesn't mean the whole thing should be thrown out. It's going to take time for the people who will eventually rewrite history to work the kinks out and piece together new evidence.

Nobody ever said that the theories out now are 100% accurate and complete. Far from it. You can call the writers of the current theories fools, but you are a fool if you accept the government's official story.

You mean the story where a bunch of wacko terrorists that hate us and our country took over planes and crashed them into buildings with one failing and crashing instead into a field? What is sooo unbelieveable about that? Box cutters were not checked for post 911. Cockpit doors didnt even lock securely. We didnt have air marshalls on hardly any flights. You make us out to be nuts. If you REALLY think the government is trying to snare you into its evil web, you've got bigger issues than I thought.

stickyfingerz 03-27-2006 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
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Scootermuze 03-27-2006 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CheeseFrog
Don't bother to introduce logic into this. Remember, you're dealing with plane crash experts who KNOW what should be left over after a 600mph crash with subsequent 1600F incineration. :1orglaugh

From the experts:

A devil's advocate might bring up the fire that burned inside the building for approximately seven minutes before being extinguished. Although the colour temperature of the fire appears too bright for kerosene (i.e., jet fuel), we will invoke the White House interpretation of events, as mentioned earlier. Kerosene burns at approximately 860 degrees celsius in ambient air and less in a confined space where the fire tends to use up oxygen. (ASCE 2003)

Fireball From Initial Hole in Pentagon, or secondary explosion?

Could such a fire have destroyed both wings to the point of near invisibility? The simplest answer is that the left wing was exposed to fire only near the wing root, the more distal portions being completely beyond the reach of flames or heat sufficient to melt the aluminum, let alone to burn it. The window frames to the left of the initial hole are all intact, so any heat radiated from the fires in the building would have had to come through the windows to the outside, largely missing any sections of wing that might have been lying outside them.

At six meters from the fire, even under direct exposure, the heat would have been insufficient to raise the temperature of the aluminum skin much above 500 C, well below the melting temperature of aluminum, namely 660 C (NASA 2003).

In other words, it would have been a physical impossibility for any portion of the port wing beyond about four meters from the fire to be melted, vaporized or in any way destroyed by it. Thus, at least 16 m (52' 6") of that wing ought to have remained (and to have been clearly visible) on the left of the entrance hole. In fact, no such debris appears in any of the pictures taken of the Pentagon that morning.

A. K. Dewdney, mathematician/computer scientist
G. W. Longspaugh, aerospace engineer

KRL 03-27-2006 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze
Then why didn't this F10 equivalent do damage where the wings would have hit the bldg.? If the force was so powerful then the wings would have at least taken out the windows, yet they are unbroken.. Cable spools next to the bldg. untouched.. yada yada..



The fuel in a 757 is in the fuselage and wing root.. At worst, any fire would only have damaged the part of the wing close to the fuselage.. And Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to desintegrate metal..

And as far as simple framing.. Not so simple.. and the engines, as large as they are, won't just vanish no matter the impact...

But there are other factors that raise numerous questions with the 757 idea...

Can't believe how thick headed some of you guys are.

Just look at this video. Its a jet landing at normal speed that comes in at too sharp an angle. Look how easily the entire tail section of the plane just pops
off.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+crash&pl=true

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directfiesta 03-27-2006 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
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SilentKnight 03-27-2006 05:12 PM

This all gets better by the hour.

So now Flt. 93 is stashed away somewhere...perhaps parked next to the 5 navy Avenger bombers from Flight 19 that disappeared in the supposed Bermuda Triangle years ago?

The passengers and crew are being comfortably housed in the same hangar they used as a soundstage to shoot the faked moon landings?

Someone bring Mulder outta retirement, would you? We've got a dousie on our hands this time!

Thanks for the entertainment. This makes my cable ISP bill this month worth every penny. :thumbsup

Peter_ANYwebcam 03-27-2006 05:19 PM

I'm not getting into this but this video is interesting.

http://www.filecabi.net/video/planewall.html

GatorB 03-27-2006 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z
Who said anything about having to shut people up? They would have been killed and their families would think they died in plane crashes.

So instead of letting them die on the plane they killed them some other way in some other place? WHY? Seems stupid. Well we are talking about Bush. Anyways yur theory is shit. Passengers call family members while the highjacking was going on or was that faked too?

Scootermuze 03-27-2006 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL
Can't believe how thick headed some of you guys are.

Just look at this video. Its a jet landing at normal speed that comes in at too sharp an angle. Look how easily the entire tail section of the plane just pops
off.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+crash&pl=true

:1orglaugh

Yep.. popped right off at normal speed.. and that plane was being flown by a pro...
Wonder why the tail didn't pop off of the 757.. or the 55' wings.. or anything apparently because a single explosion burned up the wings, body, tail, engines.. yada yada...
Don't forget.. the object hit at about a 45 degree angle, which means the starboard wing would have hit first which would have slung the plane enough to snap off the tail section.. (determined by experts)

In that you're the authority.. explain how a guy that couldn't fly (per his instructor) manually maneuvered a 60 ton 757 into position, then over an interstate very near the bldg., then drop and level off to to enter the building without hitting the ground prior to entry.. all while traveling at several hundred mph..
Commercial pilots with years of experience have said there's no way it could be done by even the most seasoned pilots..

Damn those thick headed pilots!

woj 03-27-2006 05:27 PM

Fifty........

KRL 03-27-2006 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze
Yep.. popped right off at normal speed.. and that plane was being flown by a pro...
Wonder why the tail didn't pop off of the 757.. or the 55' wings.. or anything apparently because a single explosion burned up the wings, body, tail, engines.. yada yada...
Don't forget.. the object hit at about a 45 degree angle, which means the starboard wing would have hit first which would have slung the plane enough to snap off the tail section.. (determined by experts)

In that you're the authority.. explain how a guy that couldn't fly (per his instructor) manually maneuvered a 60 ton 757 into position, then over an interstate very near the bldg., then drop and level off to to enter the building without hitting the ground prior to entry.. all while traveling at several hundred mph..
Commercial pilots with years of experience have said there's no way it could be done by even the most seasoned pilots..

Damn those thick headed pilots!


How many videos do you need to see dude?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...rash&p l=true

Scootermuze 03-27-2006 06:19 PM

Ok.. planes cause fires when they crash.. Is that what you're trying to show me?

Now show me one of a 757 hitting the Pentagon.. Oh.. I forgot.. all of those recordings were confiscated.. Sure would like to know why..

So far you haven't answered anything.. Just showing videos of plane crashes in totally unrelated scenarios..
But then I have no answers either..
Just asking questions that nobody seems to be able to answer..

And showing your videos certainly didn't answer the question in my last post..
But the experts did.. I guess they haven't seen those videos that I'm sure would change their minds..


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