Drugs? War on Drugs? Don't make me laugh

[Greg B]

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/inter...436471,00.html

You are not ready to read this shit. Homeland security? Preparedness against terrorism? Border security?

It's a fucking joke.

[Manowar]

Holy shit.

[jjjay]

Originally Posted by Greg B

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/inter...436471,00.html

You are not ready to read this shit. Homeland security? Preparedness against terrorism? Border security?

It's a fucking joke.

why are you reading the guardian? it's so left leaning even students think it's a bit too leftie

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by jjjay

why are you reading the guardian? it's so left leaning even students think it's a bit too leftie

WTF are you talking about? The statistics stated primarily come from the governments themselves. I was gonna post the DEA estimates but there are so many we'd need to start a new message board.

We spend $40 billion on the war on drugs but in Sicily alone they spend $40 billion just bribing people. How can the U.S. fight it?

It can't.

We lost. Bottom fucking line is we lost and as long as we have this shit going on the global drug warlords are making trillions of $$$. Just like prohibition in the early 1900's.

Even when the threat of death, beheading, amputation, torture are the punishments, people still deal and use.

That shows how crazy some people get when on dope and the money they can earn.

[Greg B]

The more I read this story the more I realize how fucked we are.

We are so fucking stupid as a global community that we think that we can stop this shit. The longer we keep the shit illegal, the longer and more powerful the warlords will get.

It's a fucking joke. Just public relations bullshit.

[Spunky]

Our weed is a billion dollar industry..it's all about supply and demand

[Pim(P)]

I love pot

[pornguy]

the sad thing about the stats, is that they are guess work at best. these numbers could be wayyyyy high, or wayyyy low.

[Silent_Thunder]

Originally Posted by pornguy

the sad thing about the stats, is that they are guess work at best. these numbers could be wayyyyy high, or wayyyy low.

Statistics is a science, so they surely know what they are doing.

[Fetish Gimp]

Originally Posted by George Orwell - 1984

It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going well or badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

[smack]

the united states government is fighting a war on drugs.

you know what this implies?

there is a war being fought, and people on drugs are winning.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Greg B

WTF are you talking about? The statistics stated primarily come from the governments themselves. I was gonna post the DEA estimates but there are so many we'd need to start a new message board.

We spend $40 billion on the war on drugs but in Sicily alone they spend $40 billion just bribing people. How can the U.S. fight it?

It can't.

We lost. Bottom fucking line is we lost and as long as we have this shit going on the global drug warlords are making trillions of $$$. Just like prohibition in the early 1900's.

Even when the threat of death, beheading, amputation, torture are the punishments, people still deal and use.

That shows how crazy some people get when on dope and the money they can earn.

Back in 1990, the GAO did a report on the "War On Drugs"...

They concensus was that if the Goverment bought every drug in the UNITED STATES at street value which they spent on interdiction, they would have done a better job of winning the war on drugs than with their past and still current means of interdiction. Which btw, did not put a dent on street prices.

It was a funny thing to read, especially since I was in the military and involved with with interdiction.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Back in 1990, the GAO did a report on the "War On Drugs"...

They concensus was that if the Goverment bought every drug in the UNITED STATES at street value which they spent on interdiction, they would have done a better job of winning the war on drugs than with their past and still current means of interdiction. Which btw, did not put a dent on street prices.

It was a funny thing to read, especially since I was in the military and involved with with interdiction.

See? You're singing my song there.

The bottom line is it's too late to battle this thing. It's so out of hand it's like lighting your own ass on fire. The return on dope dealing far outweighs the risks since getting pinched is a small percentage of the action. Mind you I can't walk down the streets of Los Angeles with a cute blonde without 50 fucking cops stopping me every ten feet to ask for my ID but for some strange reason millions of tons of dope can just waltz the fuck into the country unnoticed.

After 911 when all the major transit was stopped and the ports on watch etc. etc. etc. the dope still came in. Even when there was a dock strike here in California, people were running out of tv sets and toys and shit but not one drop off of dope.

Reason being is that every transport system has moving dope as a priority and everyone is in on it. For Bush to even talk about security is a fucking ass hat retard statement. He's not stupid enough to fight dope when the gangsters can offer billions upon billions in bribes.

Even when the logical, sensible alternative is to legalize the shit and tax it which would bring in trillions and trillions of bucks, the countries aren't going to do it because they'd loose that under the table dough they've been using to pay off extortion and bribes and gambling debts.

It's a fucking shame. That greed would take place over caring for our fellow human being. So that shows the true baseline character of our species. We are a cowardly lot that would poison it's own children to make a fucking dollar.

Yet you fuck up the cablevision or interfere with cigs and alcohol distribution and you'd have a war on your hands.

They're spending money on whether someone sees a piece of ass on the internet and meanwhile poisons are making a fortune.

Fuckin' psychotic.

[KRL]

I'm against drugs, but the war on drugs has been going on for decades, and its clear people can get drugs just as easily as 4 decades ago.

Its just another ridiculous way to waste taxpayer money trying to make it look like something is being done about it. And they do a nice job, but you simply can't win a war where 40 Million people just in the USA alone use drugs and will pay huge amounts of money for it.

Right now 900,000 citizens are in Federal prison on drug charges. It cost us about $450,000 to prosecute a drug dealer and $50K per year to incarcerate them. That's about $45 Billion per year we're spending on mostly non-violent cases.

Worldwide its estimated 200 to 300 Million people use drugs on a regular basis. If you figure lowball at $50 per week, that adds up to $10 to $15 Billion per week or $500 to $750 Billion per year. Some estimates take the narcotics biz over $1 Trillion annually during peak years.

Anyone who thinks they can stop a Trillion dollar industry is smoking crack themselves. Will never happen.

[candyflip]

If you want to hear it from an insiders POV, my friend's father wrote this book.



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[d_train]

'It just goes to show that whatever the penalties - hanging, imprisonment, chopping off hands - there will always be someone who is prepared to traffic, distribute or use drugs,' said Shapiro.

that's why the campaign against drug use must be more vigilant

[Pornwolf]

The war against drugs is a business in itself. Those billions of jobs are employing a lot of government and outside workers. If you stop it or figure out a better way you'd have to fire them all. That will never happen. It's too entrenched in the fabric of the government to be stopped. Also, a lot of those same DEA workers are responsible for the flow of drugs in and out of the country and local checks and balances. Fire them and you have a problem that would make some parts of the country look like the wild west.

A President would be killed if he tried to get in the way.

On another note, I see a serious heroin problem coming over the next 20 years as more and more kids look for the hard stuff.

[DBS.US]

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

The war against drugs is a business in itself. Those billions of jobs are employing a lot of government and outside workers. If you stop it or figure out a better way you'd have to fire them all. That will never happen. It's too entrenched in the fabric of the government to be stopped. Also, a lot of those same DEA workers are responsible for the flow of drugs in and out of the country and local checks and balances. Fire them and you have a problem that would make some parts of the country look like the wild west.

A President would be killed if he tried to get in the way.

On another note, I see a serious heroin problem coming over the next 20 years as more and more kids look for the hard stuff.

It's just proof positive of what I've been saying for years. Once read it in a book by Roger Zelazny called "Lord Of Light".

We lost. We're living in someone's private whorehouse and game preserve.

[rodney25]

Again???

[Doctor Dre]

They should legalize everything ... and make money out of it to build the school system, where kids would learn they can do something with their lives better then drugs.

[alec]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

[Greg B]

http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/dcf/enforce.htm

Check out these statistics. It's astounding how prevalent this crisis is.

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

On another note, I see a serious heroin problem coming over the next 20 years as more and more kids look for the hard stuff.

Especially since we removed the Taliban from power who were actually controlling/minimizing the amount of growing for Heroin - but then I guess thats why they were removed Another of those lets fight terrorism so that we can ensure we can get that feed of poppies back into the pipeline - the CIA and "cronies" were losing money with the Taliban in power.

[minusonebit]

Originally Posted by Greg B

We spend $40 billion on the war on drugs but in Sicily alone they spend $40 billion just bribing people. How can the U.S. fight it?

A better question to ask is why should we fight it. We shouldn?t fight it. My body. My mind. My life. My decision. Case closed.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Especially since we removed the Taliban from power who were actually controlling/minimizing the amount of growing for Heroin - but then I guess thats why they were removed Another of those lets fight terrorism so that we can ensure we can get that feed of poppies back into the pipeline - the CIA and "cronies" were losing money with the Taliban in power.

Oh! You should read THIS story!:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06018/640103.stm

You will fucking SCREAM at how much heroin is now on the streets and the major price drop. I had no idea it went from $251 per gram to $75 per gram. That's a fuck lotta saturation considering the country is 'secured' by American troops. With that kind of efficiency I wouldn't want American troops to secure shit for me!

If you read that story you will literally SCREAM.

[Greg B]

So today the Attorney General announced a 50 count indictment against some Columbian drug terrorists. Like that will catch these guys. It's like me putting out a warrant for arrest for Donald fucking Duck.

[KRL]

Originally Posted by Greg B

So today the Attorney General announced a 50 count indictment against some Columbian drug terrorists. Like that will catch these guys. It's like me putting out a warrant for arrest for Donald fucking Duck.

Don't be so sure to say that.

Columbia extradited the heads of the Cali Cartel, Miguel Rodriguez Orejuela last March and his brother Gilberto Rodriguez Orejuela, who got nailed a few months before that in December 2004, both to the US.

And these two were multibillionaires and controlling 80% of the world's cocaine business during the '90s.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by KRL

Don't be so sure to say that.

Columbia extradited the heads of the Cali Cartel, Miguel Rodriguez Orejuela last March and his brother Gilberto Rodriguez Orejuela, who got nailed a few months before that in December 2004, both to the US.

And these two were multibillionaires and controlling 80% of the world's cocaine business during the '90s.

Ja but so fucking what? Busting these guys doesn't stop the flow. That's the point. They were able to send that much dope during the Homeland Security craze. That means it's bullshit to indict them and send them to the U.S. as soon as they're gone, more will take their place.