Ha! A Russian cheater? Say it ain't so.

some interesting payback.. how much BW do you think it will eat up with the Hun doing that?

I suggest eveyone head to the hun and refresh his page a few times to help out.

Don't forget, there's a fine old principle of law almost as old as the web itself that if a resource is publicly available for being linked to, the owner cannot forbid anyone from linking to it. There are some U.S. laws against denial of service attacks -- but I haven't seen anyone post the definition here, so it has yet to be established that what the Hun is doing is illegal even in the United States.

Which he is not. Which his "victim" is not. (Speaking of porn.ru here, I dunno nuthin about the other outfit.)

Is there a dutch law against Denial of Service attacks? I dunno. If there is, does it forbid them against anybody, or just against servers on dutch soil? Again, I dunno. Does the location of the Hun's server matter? Third time's the charm, I still dunno. Go ask a dutch lawyer and be prepared to pay handsomely for an answer.

Wait a minute! I betcha the Hun knows some dutch lawyers! I know he employs some. Do you suppose he might have asked them before he did this? Gee, I wonder, what are the odds?

If you don't like it, say so. If you don't agree that the Hun has the moral and ethical right to hoist some ripoff artist by his own petard, that's fine too. But if you want to say it's illegal, please provide a little more justification than "Well, it sorta looks like something that might be illegal if somebody in MY country did it to ME."

You can pay Sleazydream to do so :)

good point.

it's down now

What if the guy is not on a dedicated server? I feel sorry for the other clients that share the same server =/ Not fair to those guys.

Imagine you were on a shared server and some guy gets attacked and your site begins to load slow or even load at all. Cheaters deserve what they get but the innocent don't have to suffer as well.

still up for me, it wont matter if it goes down or not, the bills'll be so high they'll lose any profit they made and have made and will ever make.

It ain't so. It ain't so. It ain't so-o-ooo--oooo :1orglaugh

NOT

The site is down for me.

this all is getting too close to marasm... i own www.Fireball.ru so what do you really think that Fireball.de has more rights on this domain than me? Maybe Deep Purple has more rights on this domain (they have album named Fireball if im correct).. ???
:1orglaugh

Yup, I think it bad to image src someone because it might be fucking over 100 innocent people right now.
Perhaps the host will sue the hun?
I can't see it not being illegal in any country.

I'M THE MAN!

Criminals dont sue people... duh...

Ok, so you win the DoS case, but whats this about you stealing copyrighted material...

uh....

Fuck some people on here have no clue at all. The RU site was not just stealing a name for traffic but was stealing content too. How that compares to the situation above is totally beyond me unless of course you're stealing the content too. Come to think of it you own an ru site so the chances are......

most countries dont have any internet laws whatsoever

Bullshit!
why is .net .ru .whatever even sold then?
what if I register "hello-hello.net" then 2 weeks later someone registers "hello-hello.com" - does the .com overpower the .net or whatever?

Wrong.

If the name is trademarked and someone buys the same with a different extension and sets up a competing type site, it's a trademark violation.

If I buy thehun.org and setup a porn site I'm violating his trademark.

If I buy thehun.org and setup a site that sells battle axes, as far as I know, I'm not violating his trademark since I'm not in a competing market. I believe you also have to show that you have some claim to the name such as you've been in business for a while as The Hun's Battle Axe Shop.

thehun.ru as a porn site is a clear violation of the thehun trademark.

Just to continue from Fatpad's post - it should be obvious for anyone with even the tiniest bit of common sense. THE only reason to purchase thehun.anything and use it for porn is to try to steal some of the hun's traffic or pretend to be affiliated to it in some was to gain extra traffic. Go launch a drink product called for example 'Russian Pepsi Cola' and see how long it is before the lawyers are knocking on the door. How this concept can be in any way confusing always amazes the hell out of me.

Actually I was half right, not WRONG 100% :Kissmy
If someone owns a .com name, you can register the same name with .net, as long as your don't copy their site or idea.
thehun.ru is in violation.
However lets say someone buys the domain: "elephantlist.net" and turns it into a website listing different breeds of elephants. (A real non-adult site)
The owner of elephantlist.com would have a hard time if he wants to sue.

Modified: After I made this post I tried to type in "elephantlist.net" and sure enough someone owns it, and it directs to a listing of pornsites. Is that illegal?

Now you're right. ;)

Your comment before was made in the context of the thehun.ru situation. :winkwink:

DOS attacks are criminal cases also.

Only if you make sure all elephants on the site are over 18 and have signed model releases. If the elephants are under 18 you may get away with bikinis on them but probably safer not to. :winkwink:

I look at it like this and I'll explain it so everybody here can follow me...

If you were in school and a bully was punching you in the head everyday at lunch break do you think running and telling a teacher would really help you? No. The best the teacher could do for you is suspend the kid for a day or two. When he comes back he's pissed and you can't really expect to have a personal guard to save your ass at recess everyday. The only thing that would help you is to kick his butt.

The same theory applies to dealing with

A. Hackers, and other unruly computer assholes

B. Russians and people who live in lawless countries.

If you are the type of person that hopes to tell somebody and expect some decent help in this situation, that tells me which kid you were in the school example above. I hope you didn't get beat up too bad.

owner of elephantlist.com would have a hard time if he wants to sue

IF elephantlists paid for the TRADEMARK costs, yearly and they aren't cheap then Yes... They would have prior right to ALL domain extensions of said name...

Thats what attorneys are for darlin'. Maybe you should pay one before trying to confuse copyright and trademark up.

Copyright? Pahh, on names versus extensions say, rockhead.com versus rockhead.net? As far as our PAID for attorney says... and she's no slacker let alone cheap, you can own the rockhead.com and have porn and WE can own the dot net and do porn as well. :winkwink:

No Trademark Infringement ... clearer now?

I'm not some silly 20 year old girl. I've ran businesses longer than alot of you have been alive. lol

Attorneys and accountants are part of OUR life. :thumbsup

Try it you'll like it,,, til the bill comes.

Well, I'd say it's Patrick's call here. He's a big boy, he can do what he wants, and if there are consequences, I'm sure he's aware of them.

Now back to those fools telling me Russians don't cheat.

Check with another lawyer then.

If you trademark TheHun in the context of a name brand in the porn world, you cannot sue me or take my domain if I setup thehun.org and sell old viking stories.

That was in the context of porn FP. :winkwink: I just wasn't quite clear enough.

Oh.

Uhhh...

I knew that. Really. :winkwink:

first of all img src'ing is just as illegal as dos attacks etc. but doubt you will go to jail for it however you can be held responsible.

but shit if i were pornu.ru i would just make it load the huns thumbs up :1orglaugh

It's amazing what these big-headed TGP types think they can do. This is illegal, as several people have pointed out in this thread, and as I have pointed out myself that last couple of times they have done something like this.

Sure, the Russian scum are cheaters, but it's just bloody stupid to take the law into your own hands like this. If good ole "Patrick" was in the US, he'd probably be in custody right now, as this falls under several US anti-hacking/DOS statutes IIRC.

Also, as has been shown in the past, a smart webmaster can EASILY turn this around on the img srcer- how many times has GFY had problems now because of some dumb ass TGP mfer img srcing, and the victim turning it around with a good htaccess or router rule? I've seen it 3 times that I can remember.

Bottom line: Just because your head is as big as your car, doesn't mean you can do anything.

Cheers,
Backov

So what should he do? Sit by idely?
I might not like the feeling of getting fucked up the ass enough to just sit there and wait...

You beat me to the punch Dr. Guile!

Ditto.

I agree. He should sue the Russian.

:eek7

That's the main point to this really. There is no legal action that can be taken. The legality of img sourcing is uncertain at best for reasons people have already stated and that many have ignored. Either way the alternative is to sit back and say fine - continue to fuck me over. I know what I'd do in the Hun's place....

So if the legal system isn't working fast enough for you, you should go vigilante? That's what everyone in this thread that supports this guys actions is saying.

BTW, I did just do a lookup on google, and this is indeed against the law (National Information Infrastructure Protection Act of 1996) although I am not lawyery enough to be able to tell whether or not his host is liable for his criminal actions (as they are US based)

Cheers,
Backov

Ummm....you're missing the point totally. It has nothing to do with the legal system being too slow and everything to do with the legal system being 100% unable to do anything about it.

No, I would say you're the one missing the point here. Here's an analogy that you may understand a little better: Your stereo thief gets off on a technicality. The system is "unable to do anything" - do you go vigilante?

Believe me, there are other answers here than what he is doing.

Cheers,
Backov