Business Thread... Am I the only paysite owner fed up of blogs misusing my content?

[Shap]

Anyhow, Mr Potter, Mr Flu and anybody else that has anything they'd like to tell me is invited to email me. My email is shap at twistys dot com. I'm going to get back to making our affiliates money I've spent too much time on this. The good thing is this thread helped us come up with solutions that should make everybody happier (including Potter & Flu). Besides that anybody with a problem, concern, praise, attack, insult, compliment, or sexy picture to send me feel free to do so by email.

[Flu]

Originally Posted by shap

btw... Flu you are a young guy breaking into the industry. I can tell by your work that you have some talent and that you are original and like to try new things. That's real good. Now I know you think I'm the big bad wolf here but I'm not. You made assumptions in this thread that were very far from the truth and I believe were made simply because you might not know better.

With or without blog sales we are doing very well. I did well before blogs came out. I'll probably do well well after blogs have matured and are no longer the fad. My point is I don't need blogs to be successful. That doesn't mean I'm turning them away. That means they don't play a huge role in the success of Twistys. You made a post indicating you felt blogs were a big part of our sales. They are not. In fact here check out the stats I posted earlier this year. These were taken way before any porn blogs existed.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=558484

Thanks. Like I said, I agree that you have every right to regulate your content in anyway you feel fit. It belongs to you and your word should be final. But these blogs, regardless of your opinion on their worth, deserve to be treated better than just mere fads.

Bods makes enough money to support his family with his babe blog. I can promise you that badgirlsblog and glam0ur do as well. Calling them out like that isn't like calling out a scammer or a hacker or a spammer, you're calling out someone that might be breaking a rule that could easily be fixed with a little communication.

You may see them as running a fad, but theyre really running a successful business.

[potter]

That's fine. I know what actually went on today and what you have done outside of this thread. That's all that matters to me. A GFY reputation is not on my list of concerns.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by prairie

http://dailyhotties.net/ariel_rebel/ <<adbrite ads/dating gold/adengage and links to 20 other babelogs and ariel rebel is converting 1:226. I think thats fair as the links to panchodog are displayed IMO very prominantly above the fold.

1:226 to that sponsor is fine, but how many clicks and how much money was made with the other sponsors / sites / ad systems from that page? How much did the sponsor providing the content make from those other sales? How many of those other sales would have happened on a blank page without the image(s)?

It is sort of the question of how much money was made because of the sponsor's content that won't be shared by the sponsor - basically money made with the content without paying for the content.

It isn't to poke - it is really a serious question about the finances and viablity of these sorts of sites.

Alex

[Shap]

Originally Posted by potter

That's fine. I know what actually went on today and what you have done outside of this thread. That's all that matters to me. A GFY reputation is not on my list of concerns.

I know you think what i did in this thread was wrong.

I'm guessing you feel what was done outside this thread was right. Is that correct?

[Head_Hunter]

Were is your term's page Shap?

[Shap]

Originally Posted by Head_Hunter

Were is your term's page Shap?

Here are our terms from the affiliate area regarding use of promo content
A few rules that we require all affiliates to follow:
- Galleries should never contain more than 20 pics in them
- Our watermark is never removed from the pictures
- The galleries may not promote another site or program.

I'm going to be going into detail and updating the rules page this week.

[bigdog]

Don't listen to this fake ricky martin where is the real ricky martin aka nlyz at

[crockett]

Originally Posted by prairie

http://dailyhotties.net/ariel_rebel/ <<adbrite ads/dating gold/adengage and links to 20 other babelogs and ariel rebel is converting 1:226. I think thats fair as the links to panchodog are displayed IMO very prominantly above the fold.

actually the first gallery I got when I clicked that link had a shit load of links to other sponsors.. The very first add you saw was for "girls gone wild" There looked to only be 1 link to Ariel Rebel on the entire gallery.

I clicked it a second time and it went to a gallery that was pushing Ariel Rebel pretty heavily.. several links to her site and any other ads were at the bottom.

So whats the deal did you change the gallery? Because what I see now isn't what I saw the first time.

[Head_Hunter]

Hey shap you got icq ? I wanna get my account up and running tonight

[prairie]

Originally Posted by crockett

actually the first gallery I got when I clicked that link had a shit load of links to other sponsors.. The very first add you saw was for "girls gone wild" There looked to only be 1 link to Ariel Rebel on the entire gallery.

I clicked it a second time and it went to a gallery that was pushing Ariel Rebel pretty heavily.. several links to her site and any other ads were at the bottom.

So whats the deal did you change the gallery? Because what I see now isn't what I saw the first time.

No No... http://www.dailywenches.com/ariel-re...room-pictures/ is the one that you saw with al the links to other sponsors. I just wanted an opinion on wether you thought the way I had mine was fair.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by Head_Hunter

Hey shap you got icq ? I wanna get my account up and running tonight

Hit me up on email shap at twistys.com

[RawAlex]

crocket, the one I looked at originally was this:

http://www.dailywenches.com/ariel-re...room-pictures/

The one prarie has up there is a fairly tame version (but it still has a crap load of stuff not related to ariel-rebel on the page)

Alex

[crockett]

Originally Posted by prairie

No No... http://www.dailywenches.com/ariel-re...room-pictures/ is the one that you saw with al the links to other sponsors. I just wanted an opinion on wether you thought the way I had mine was fair.

ahh ok.. may bad. I even looked back through to make sure I didn't hit the wrong link.. must have missed it.

[Head_Hunter]

Originally Posted by shap

Hit me up on email shap at twistys.com

you have mail....

[MarkMan]

wow .. that was a long read..

too tired to even post anything
good night all

[potter]

Originally Posted by shap

I know you think what i did in this thread was wrong.

I'm guessing you feel what was done outside this thread was right. Is that correct?

Yes and no. What you have done outside this thread was right. Though, having done it along WITH THIS thread it makes it wrong.

You're simply two faced. You are pretending to be the big bad program owner. Who is calling out these babeblogs, saying you are going to kill their accounts. Saying you don't need their traffic or sales. That you won't loose sleep over not having them as affiliates. Slinging the shit and dragging names through the mud. All the while off the board you do the complete opposite. By kissing ass, running damage control, and cunducting new biz deals. With the same people you are supposedly outing.

Like I said, I'm perfectly fine with leaving this thread. I don't care about what the hordes of GFYers think of my rep. So if you want to twist the public's eye of what is happening here. That is fine with me. I'm content knowing what is really happening behind the scenes.

[Shap]

Originally Posted by potter

Yes and no. What you have done outside this thread was right. Though, having done it along WITH THIS thread it makes it wrong.

You're simply two faced. You are pretending to be the big bad program owner. Who is calling out these babeblogs, saying you are going to kill their accounts. Saying you don't need their traffic or sales. That you won't loose sleep over not having them as affiliates. Slinging the shit and dragging names through the mud. All the while off the board you do the complete opposite. By kissing ass, running damage control, and cunducting new biz deals. With the same people you are supposedly outing.

Like I said, I'm perfectly fine with leaving this thread. I don't care about what the hordes of GFYers think of my rep. So if you want to twist the public's eye of what is happening here. That is fine with me. I'm content knowing what is really happening behind the scenes.

Kissing Ass? LOL I think you have the wrong person. I stand for what I posted in this thread. I'm not going to let blogs, tgps or free sites misuse our promo content. When our content is misused it hurts all of our affiliates and i'm not going to work any private deals to let that happen. I said I could live without blog traffic and I could. If all blogs pulled their Twistys links Twistys would not cease to exist. That doesn't mean I don't want to do business with blogs. What I have been doing is working on solutions to solve the problem and keep everybody happy.

I'm anything but two faced. I stand but what i've said in this thread. The one thing I made a mistake on was the fusker comment regarding Bods. That wasn't correct. I still believe that layout promoting other sponsors between pics is wrong.

[Bods4Mods]

Guys thanks for sticking up for me - but this thread is done for me. Shap and i have talked and all is well and i will continue to promote Twistys and he will continue to help make me more Twisty's sales ;)

So please for now kill the Bods vs. Twistys noise

[Shap]

Originally Posted by Bods4Mods

Guys thanks for sticking up for me - but this thread is done for me. Shap and i have talked and all is well and i will continue to promote Twistys and he will continue to help make me more Twisty's sales ;)

So please for now kill the Bods vs. Twistys noise

[Shapette]

Originally Posted by shap

What about a super bowl commercial. Is it bad business to buy a 30 second ad and promote only Pepsi? Your thinking is flawed. By limiting what you are selling if you do the job right you increase your chances of making a sale. This isn't roulette. Our content is to be used to promote Twistys. Anybody who educates the surfer on what they are looking at and sells them on Twistys will make more money promoting 1 thing than promoting 12 things.

Well said!
Pick your target, aim and shoot- keep your eye on the prize the whole time. Don't fire your gun randomly in to the woods hoping to kill a bear that might walk by.

[alan-l]

what everybody is missing here is a very important point. I mean, you place content for a site because you consider it good and you know your surfers will like that content and eventually sign thru your link, cha-ching. Now, it's common sense not to distract the attention from anything other than the sponsor to which the content belongs. I mean: you won't find that content anywhere else than the sponsor's site itself. Now, there must be a few newbies not knowing this, a few that will count on "sale by opposition" marketing (I can count with the fingers of one hand how many know about this technique) and a vast majority of people promoting other sponsors because the main sponsor for that content simply isn't converting. The question is: are sponsors taking notice of this? I know 99.99% of program owners will say "my site converts like mad", and of course, what else will they say? Sad thing is most of them really believe it.

In short, not pointing to anyone, but most behaviors and patterns have causes, maybe it's time for those in the know to research a little about them

Just my 1.37 rupees

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by shap

There my friend is a GREAT example. How would affiliates feel if I plastered AFF across our fhgs? My guess is not very happy.

From what I saw, they are HOSTING those galleries and are paying for the BW so why shouldn't they be allowed to upsell AFF? I upsell dating and vigra on just about everything I do. But then again, I put WAY more into the topic of discussion than these people are.

I write my own text and promote the FUCK out of your program first and for most. The dating is kept to the side as a 'side thing' and so are the pills. If you look at one of my pages it is obvious who I am promoting and if they just happened to be interested in the dating, well, that is there too.

If you put that in your FHG's, I'd probably not use them...

The truth is, I sell a lot of porn and only a little dating or toys or pills compared to the porn. But then I don't want to piss off sponsors I sell porn for...

So I guess my point here is that it isn't black and white. There is a huge gray area and you chose some grayish affiliates to some degree but they are no where near the middle.

Was that to prove a point? I dunno, you usually answer me so I will look forward to one. But if that was your point, do you also see mine that it could have been done differently and possibly not pissed you off?

When I read your title I thought for sure this thread was about someone using your pics to promote AFF! As in, making a geo banner of their own with your pics in that banner. What you are complaning about is almost apples and oranges to that kind of blatent disregard for your copywrite.

[V_RocKs]

I didn't reload the page so I don't know if Shap answered me yet...

But... I also noticed now that those affiliates where kinda making galleries that promoted dating... I was talking about I make sites that promote the sponsor and have a small dating ad, but the galleries I never put ads into... So perhaps some of my post is now moot.

[AlmightyZeus]

Shap, is it ok if I zip up your sets and have them posted on my babeblog?
Don't worry, I'll include a .txt file with a url to twistys in the zip.

Screw the "twistys video of the day" and the "free hosted galleries", this is the way to go. For exposure I mean...

I'll assume it's a yes cause it's not written in your TOS.
Friends of mine are making a solid 3 figures out of this PER MONTH!!
TGPs BURN IN HELL!!! LONG LIVE ZIPBLOGS!!!

[AlmightyZeus]

Oooooops I mean ZipBabeBlogs.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by AlmightyZeus

Shap, is it ok if I zip up your sets and have them posted on my babeblog?
Don't worry, I'll include a .txt file with a url to twistys in the zip.

Screw the "twistys video of the day" and the "free hosted galleries", this is the way to go. For exposure I mean...

I'll assume it's a yes cause it's not written in your TOS.
Friends of mine are making a solid 3 figures out of this PER MONTH!!
TGPs BURN IN HELL!!! LONG LIVE ZIPBLOGS!!!

You don't even have to zip em up.. you can download them already zipped...

[V_RocKs]

Originally Posted by Tempest

You don't even have to zip em up.. you can download them already zipped...

Damn, that is clever!

[Kinky John]

Some blogs are quality and work well with programs . .

some blogs just steal and never send shit - i hate that Fusker style hotlinking

( btw for video Rapidshare is killing me via blog posts )

[Kevin Cunningham]

Thanks to everyone for all the emails that were sent asking if the way you are currently promoting us is cool. I have replied to almost all of them, just a couple left. If anybody else has questions, please just shoot me an email at kevin at twistys dot com and I'll get back to you ASAP!!

[Ninja Scripts]

No idea how I missed this thread but it's amazing some of the responses. I can see there are still tons of people who don't understand how sponsor content is supposed to work.

[V_RocKs]

If I may ask, can you show me what you didn't like and the end result of how it was switched to what you did so I can avoid making the same mistakes in the future?

Screen shots would be nice...

[Cooliosbabes]

Originally Posted by shap

Just fyi blogs make up less than 2% of all our signups. Truth is blogs could not send me another sale and I would not lose any sleep at night. That is a fact. There is not a single blog that is even near our top 10 biggest affiliates.

This thread came after months of the same shit happening over and over. I got fed up and had to post to see if I was alone feeling these babelogs were getting way out of hand.

Just showing some respect to the babelog-scene every once in a while, look your way of answering right above, would do you good ;)

With this type of answer you don't make yourself famous with the webmasters of babelogs that try to bring you to a higher level. I worked my ass of the last months for Twistys and when i see this type of answers, this makes me 'sad'.

[ilbb]

I think that first step should be contacting website owner and telling him that You don't like this way of promoting...

[Shap]

Originally Posted by Cooliosbabes

Just showing some respect to the babelog-scene every once in a while, look your way of answering right above, would do you good ;)

With this type of answer you don't make yourself famous with the webmasters of babelogs that try to bring you to a higher level. I worked my ass of the last months for Twistys and when i see this type of answers, this makes me 'sad'.

Hi Coolio. You are one of the few people that respects and follows the rules. It's always been a pleasure doing business with you.

You say it makes you sad when I post that. I understand you are trying to defend your friends. The sad part is alot of those friends are blatantly misusing the content provided by your sponsors. The same sponsors that provide you your way of life.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by potter

Yes and no. What you have done outside this thread was right. Though, having done it along WITH THIS thread it makes it wrong.

You're simply two faced. You are pretending to be the big bad program owner. Who is calling out these babeblogs, saying you are going to kill their accounts. Saying you don't need their traffic or sales. That you won't loose sleep over not having them as affiliates. Slinging the shit and dragging names through the mud. All the while off the board you do the complete opposite. By kissing ass, running damage control, and cunducting new biz deals. With the same people you are supposedly outing.

Like I said, I'm perfectly fine with leaving this thread. I don't care about what the hordes of GFYers think of my rep. So if you want to twist the public's eye of what is happening here. That is fine with me. I'm content knowing what is really happening behind the scenes.

My take as an outside observer is... I disagree with most or all of what you said here. After re-reading page one of this thread I again get the impression that Shap contacted those webmasters prior to starting this thread. Read his post where he says that a few of them agreed to fix/change a few things, while others argued with him and refused to cooperate with his rules.

In light of that, this thread is completely understandable in my view. He could have just gone ahead and killed their accounts outright with no chance for a dialogue, right? I'm sure some program owners would have. Seems to me Shap has been for the most part quite reasonable in his tone here, even when responding to those who obviously have a skewed and boneheaded attitude.

Shap isn't the first program owner to demand that his stuff appear on affiliate pages alone with no other sponsors. I can think of a few that have had this same rule in place for over 7 years in their TOS.

Lastly, I don't see it as Shap trying to trash anyone's name here. However, the fact is and has always been that when you flout the rules of a program and that program asks you to make a few changes and you flat out refuse to cooperate, you run the risk of A) being shitcanned, B) getting called out on the boards, or C) both.

Final thought: Affiliates need to either follow the rules of the programs they choose to promote, or find other programs to promote that don't mine having their rules broken (or ones that don't have such rules).

Btw, I'm not affiliated with Shap's program in any way.

Cheers. :D

[YDG]

In response to your original post Shap

As a paysite owner with a good amount of quality content, we have quite a few bloggers using TeenDreams content for their pages.

What we try to do is keep a track on the amount of content they use, and if they generate sales to TD

Ones that generate zilch and are blatantly abusing our content to up sell get struck off, and ones that can generate a couple of sales a week we let pass.

As long as watermarks are intact, some kind of banner or link to TeenDreams is present, and the page looks like it has been constructed to sell TD and not a Penis enlargement product, then we let it pass.

We have seen guys who have posted entire sets on one page and used a tiny text link at the bottom to refer to where the content came from. They got the elbow

[Shap]

Ok to all bloggers that wanted to attack me. Here is why I started this thread.

http://www.bunnytimes.com/cute.wmv

That is a Twistys Video. He stole it and put it on his site.
1. He has no TwistysCash account.
2. His email info is bouncing.
3. Whois info is not listed (he hid it)

This is the BS i put up with daily regarding blogs. I'm not saying all blogs are bad. What I'm saying is guys like this give all of you a bad name. If everybody played by the rules we'd all be happy.

And for those that think I bring this shit to the board first? I always try to resolve off the board first. Here is the email I tried to send this guy

-----
Hi. I hope you are having a great weekend.

It's come to my attention you have Twistys Exclusive videos hosted on
BunnyTimes.com. I'm looking thru your site and our records and can't find
your TwistysCash affiliate id. Could you please do me a favour? Could you
send me your TwistysCash id as well as links to all the Twistys videos you
have on your site? Thanks. That way I can check out how you are promoting us
and give you some tips on how to make more money with us. Thanks

Shap
------

Unfortunately for him it bounced.

[pornguy]

I agree with Shap, that some of the people should be a little more careful with the blogging. that is HIS content, and they are someone using it to promote other sites. I also understand that they are in this to make money, and that the only way to do that is to promote other aff programs as well. But they need to make sure that they put a seperation betewwn the posts.

[NY_TIM]

[fris]

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

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http://www.gallerytrafficservice.com/thumbzilla.htm

Thanks,
DH

why pay? i get top spots for free ;)

[fris]

Originally Posted by shap

Ok to all bloggers that wanted to attack me. Here is why I started this thread.

http://www.bunnytimes.com/cute.wmv

That is a Twistys Video. He stole it and put it on his site.
1. He has no TwistysCash account.
2. His email info is bouncing.
3. Whois info is not listed (he hid it)

This is the BS i put up with daily regarding blogs. I'm not saying all blogs are bad. What I'm saying is guys like this give all of you a bad name. If everybody played by the rules we'd all be happy.

And for those that think I bring this shit to the board first? I always try to resolve off the board first. Here is the email I tried to send this guy

-----
Hi. I hope you are having a great weekend.

It's come to my attention you have Twistys Exclusive videos hosted on
BunnyTimes.com. I'm looking thru your site and our records and can't find
your TwistysCash affiliate id. Could you please do me a favour? Could you
send me your TwistysCash id as well as links to all the Twistys videos you
have on your site? Thanks. That way I can check out how you are promoting us
and give you some tips on how to make more money with us. Thanks

Shap
------

Unfortunately for him it bounced.

heh thats not all, everyones content is being used all over

no sponsors really care, or seem too, and most of the revenue is based off aff which is true


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[elitetec]

Maybe.... But we all handle our own problems ourselves.

[Manowar]

Damn fris, that list is just shocking