I don't know much about the whole blogging. I'm just referring to the blogging I've made reference to in this thread. I know there are many slick nice blogs out there. I'm just referring to the ones that seems to gravitate towards us LOL.

I agree, they are the minority and the ones you really don't want as affiliates. Most sites have listened and changed for us.

No shit huh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

when people stop stealing your images or misdirecting traffic you'll know something is wrong. being web policeman is a part of the biz and with as much as you invest in your content, there is no end in site. best of luck--

well mate i hate to hear it. just know I'm on your side in the respect that I honestly believe we've been giving away far too much for far too long in this industry and babeblogging is a prime example of that. I mean holy fuck when they do fusker style images and you dont even have to click to see the image.... you're just giving it all away to the least common denominator, generating empty and worthless traffic.

If i was a paysite owner I'd be looking for an excuse to cut em off too ;)

yeah... I have seen a lot of blogs using content (not theirs) to push their own blog!

Am I the only one who sees a little bit of irony with this thread given this Thread



Im not supporting people who are abusing the free promo content... but, its kinda hard to police when there is so much of it available... victim of your own success maybe?

:2 cents:

Yeah I know you know the feeling on many different levels.

Could be.

well in this case you would be pepsi, so you would be buying and hense of course you would only be promoting yourself. if you want to use this analogy you can look at it this way too: tv networks don't just advertise pepsi in every commercial throughout an entire program. they diversify and know that if someone isn't interested in product x, they might be interested in product y. i totally understand your stance but you have to look at it from an affiliate stance as well.

When I promote companies on our free sites I promote one company per gallery/sales page. If I can't be profitable by promoting that one company then either that company doesn't convert well or (more than likely) I don't know how to sell them properly.

if i catch shit like that i treat it just like i would content theft. i'm pretty diligent, but i can only see so much in a day. i think its mostly because blogs matured in the affil environment first and now programs are catching up with it. a neutral, comfortable, mutually beneficial ground will have to be found.

on another sour note- blogs and user forums/communities are pretty similar architectures and the "user"-posted stolen content from most of the programs already mentioned here is staggering. all of the big paysites are ripped and posted by these vermon/thieves. we all know it- but what are companies like twistys et al. doing about it? it seems like the tide is in favor of the vermon as of right now....

even if one's content is watermarked - that is no excuse for a webmaster to misuse it. the surfer mentality becomes "why should i pay?" and we are left with only newbies and hardcore fans paying....

You are 100% right unfortunately

while we are on the subject.........


FUCK GUBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yep and i do not even get emotional about it anymore - just seek and destroy and use all of our eyeballs possible to spot the thefts and misuses. it's become a part of our day-to-day.

ok, please for the love of god stop calling them "blogs" they're not blogs. They're babeblogs. REAL blogs have a good amount of text in the posts. not just pictures. shap, I'll show you my blogs if you want. so you can see the difference.

thank fucking christ someone else is saying this I was getting tired of preaching.

they're not blogs, they're shit. and an exercise in futility.

they'd make twice as much just posting text links to hosted galleries. I should know I got a blog that does that ;)

Ok my bad.

Babelogs.

You are right. Babelogs are the problem and the ones i've seen have no clue how to sell anything. They junk it up.

yes, true but to me, its just about maximizing traffic. there are just some people who won't be interested in joining the paysite but you might be able to sell them dating or penis pills, etc. if they are already a member of twistys there is no hope for a sale if you have nothing else advertised. usually when make single gallery, i just use the main sponsor but when it comes to entire sites, you gotta mix it up a little in my opinion.

:thumbsup it's all good in the hood G

on gallery pages it should be NOTHING BUT that sponsor. If you happen to have a banner or 2 in your side bar, so be it. But making AFF/Adbrite ads the main clickable links is lame. If the surfer doesn't like the gallery, make it easy for the surfer to get back to the main blog page with a nice shiny link to "HOME" or something so they can look for something else.

The bottom line is that people do not respect the fact that the content belongs to Twisty's, and it is given to them to use to promote Twisty's. People, in general, do not respect copyrights.

I, for one, would like to see more paysite owners do exactly what you are talking about. If they don't want to follow your rules, then tell them to GFY.

I have had a nice chat with Kevin about what is being posted and he will forward to you the convo and how i will post Twistys from now on. I keep hearing that babeblogs themselves are not profitable. I can only speak for myself, and Bods is highly profitable and 95% of this profit somes from model affiliate programs. With that said you have a problem, no sweat - i will modify my galleries for you to make you comfortable.....Twistys has never been one of my best sellers but I like Dean's work ;)

hi bods :) Bodsforthemods is definately one of the best babeblogs out there. but you have to admit that a large portion of the other babeblogs are total crap.

Damn, it seems that Dean Capture has as many fans in the webmaster community as the models themselves. I'm a fan of his work too. The guy makes mud-ducks into swans! LOL

Thanl you for the nice words and yes i totally agree with your assesment. Anyone who has dealt with me knows if the have a problem with bods, it will be addressed.

HAHA yeah i love Dean's work - great stuff:thumbsup

I was always wondering how the program owners feel abou that when their content is used.. guess now i know :)

I'm surprised a program owner would come here and openly bash bodsforthemods the way he did. Bods is well known by program owners, and speaks with almost all of them directly. He does business with most on a personal level daily. He's one of the most business oriented website owners there are. Of course he has out done himself once again by quickly negotiating with twistys instead of just dropping the galleries.

I'd also like to point out shap's misrepresentation of the term "fusker" in this thread. Fusker is a term in the webmaster community to be a site which uses an automated script to rip and host a hotlinked gallery. The galleries you posted from bodsforthemods. Do not hotlink any images. You used the term "fusker" improperly to accuse websites which are indeed not "fusker" galleries.
Top two definitions taken from urban dictionary:And lastly. Where as it may seem I simply hold a biased opinion (note me flying the bods site in my sig). I've worked with bods on countless projects and will continue to for some time. He's an upstanding webmaster with excellent business ethics. Which, after shap having talked with him this afternoon. I'm sure he can agree with.

Take it to the sources. Most of those guys rarely lurk this board. Tell them about it on IQ and cfus

OK. I have read the whole thread. Forgive me if I am not totally up to speed with all this. But, can someone please take a look at the blog in my sig link and let me know if this is the right way to do things?

Thanks.

OK, we've already established that the examples at the start of the thread were more in the babelog/fakeblog "TGP-in-blogger-clothes" line. I was gonna chime in on that but got beaten to it.

I make a fair bit of change promoting sponsor content on real blogs, ones that have at least two text posts for every picture/sales post. When I use sponsor content on my actual blogs, I put one-to-three pictures in a discrete blog post, usually accompanied by some sort of text commentary. There's always a text link in that same post to the tour or the sponsor-hosted gallery, or both. I feel those adjacent text links satisfy my obligations to the producers of the content, no matter who else I'm promoting elsewhere on my blogs.

The one thing I do that's contrary to a lot of sponsor rules is that the pictures I post are in a sort of "very large thumb" format, never exceeding 320 pixels in width and usually about 400-450 pixels tall. To make these, I have to crop and/or resize, and the crop usually defaces or removes the sponsor watermark. Fortunately, no sponsor has had a problem with that to date; when they contact me, it's usually some version of "we've never had anybody market our stuff like this, we're amazed at how well it works, can you promote us more, please?"

If I did hear from a sponsor who was unhappy with my cropping-and-resizing, I'd drop them from further promotion and remove all their stuff from my archives. It's not that I don't understand the desire for watermark branding, it's just that they don't provide watermarked content in the dimensions I need. I've got a formula that works, all my big sponsors love my sales, and I'm not gonna mess with success for anybody.

:thumbsup looks good to me

i agree, i think its content theft.

im behind you wholeheartedly shap, youve made a long of strong points in this thread.

Hi Bods. I'll be sending you an email this evening :winkwink:

i'd just like to add that Rev is an assbag. that is all...:upsidedow

I second Potter's post. Bods is and has always been one of the finest webmasters out there with some of the best traffic. Aside from his amazing traffic, he is also a very reasonable guy and I am glad to see that he has decided to compromise with Twisty's to make things right.

I can see your points Shap, and that it isn't right for a webmaster to use a program's content to upsell others excessively. As you stated before, an amended TOS will definitly help to get rid of traffic that you do not desire. :thumbsup

Hey now... Leave me outta this!!

Your site is what a blog is supposed to be.. :thumbsup however it is giving some sort of design error.. the posts are way down at the bottom in IE.

I consider all sponsor content to be a SALES TOOL giving out content without proper promotion of the source is just fucking everyone up.

i almost bought that babedot script in ur sig

I would agree with you that many of the examples you showed the affiliate is misusing your content.

Those dont look like the blogs I usually see and most blogs I see the content is NOT organized in a way where the sponsors content can be used to promote other programs.

How do I sold porn!

I want attention too! Pick me PICK ME!

I had a nice big spew written, and they I deleted it for this:

http://www.bodsforthemods.com/galler...Playground-15/

There is no way that in any common sense that this page could be considered acceptable by the sponsor. The promotion for the site itself is very small, only 2 banners with limited text. However, there are 51 other links off that page. It isn't even logical.

What annoys me the most is every time "scammy" sites get exposed on the board, the same few sponsors appear on the page. It is really weird how this keeps on happening.

ADVICE TO PROGRAMS: In your free content policy, you should add this:

"You may not display more than 1 full image at a time. You may display up to 30 thumbs on any single page, provided these thumbs link to individual images. You may not place multiple full sized images on a single page.

On any html page where our full images appear, links to our program must be the only paying links on the page. On pages that contain our thumbnails as a gallery, our program can be the only paying link off the page.

Individual thumbs or reduced sized images can be used freely on blogs, information sites, or review sites provided that they link to our program, galleries that contain our content, or to promotional pages that promote our program. "

Alex

Tell me you didn't just diss the babeloggers and kiss bods ass at the same time.

Sounds good man - glad we could work it out!:thumbsup

if they argue with you cancel their account - take their money and tell them to remove all images.

you own the rights to the images - they don't - you make the rules in how they are used to advertise your stuff.

:2 cents: