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sixone 03-20-2006 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by flashfire
adsense is easy but if someone took the time much more money could be made with that amount of traffic
He is obviously doing something right....

using only text ads. Why go fuck it up ?

Everyone seems to have an opinion on this guy :1orglaugh but probaly couldn't even come close to replicating it.

jjjay 03-20-2006 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sixone
He is obviously doing something right....

using only text ads. Why go fuck it up ?

Everyone seems to have an opinion on this guy :1orglaugh but probaly couldn't even come close to replicating it.
yup, everyone's a millionaire ... in their mind

dbavaria 03-20-2006 04:40 PM
The guy seems to have spent so much time on the server side that he couldn't even make a clear header image, its all distorted/pixelated.

MrLuvr 03-20-2006 04:50 PM
I find it funny that he considers himself in the same league as Match.com. Match is doing more than a hundred million dollars a year in profit.

Also, I think a lot of his Adsense revenue comes from other dating sites Google ads. He puts down those same dating sites that he makes most of his money off. Quite ironic really.

What would happen if all the dating sites excluded him from their adsense campaign?

Rick Latona 03-20-2006 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Brujah
You could if you were involved in Google Adsense Premium.
How do I get hold of you?

rowan 03-20-2006 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Pornwolf
At the end of the day I'm not happy to see sites like this work.

Why, you ask?

Because it does shift consumers to using the free dating site model. That model doesn't profit even 5% as much as the paid model which pays us accordingly. Free dating kills that industry and in turn our profits.

In 5 years all of them wil be free. Goldrush=Over.

But, was it necessary? No, there was no reason to lowball the industry just to get in the door. Sure it takes just a little bit more work to make money in that game but as all of us here know, it's not hard to get people to signup to damn near anything. Someone with his immense automation skills could have done better going the paid route.
He says himself that undercutting a pay based model is the best way to make money via adsense.

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum89/12751.htm (you'll need a valid login)

"4. Do not enter markets with a lot of competition monitized via adsense. Try and undercut paid content markets by offering a free service, or better yet create your own market."

xApster 03-20-2006 11:57 PM
I am pretty sure I have seen this guy advertise his sites on TV in the Toronto area as well.

jjjay 03-21-2006 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MrLuvr
What would happen if all the dating sites excluded him from their adsense campaign?
they would only pull the links if his clicks didn't convert.

one important question though - people are still joining match.com and other sites in droves, so what features do they offer that plentyoffish.com doesn't?

MrLuvr 03-21-2006 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjay
they would only pull the links if his clicks didn't convert.

one important question though - people are still joining match.com and other sites in droves, so what features do they offer that plentyoffish.com doesn't?
I don't think there is any way to tell if his Google links convert or not, is there? As far as I can tell, the stats just show them coming from Google Syndication, not the name of the site. If there is a way to know which sites the clicks come from, i woud love to know.

And no, they are not joining Match.com in the same droves they were before. Myspace and other social networking sites have cut into their market in a big way.

chadglni 03-21-2006 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by detoxed
I dont understand who would put adsense on a dating site likethat....there are better ways
Ha, what would you do advertise competition directly? Adsense per click pays so much in those markets that you make far more from the companies paying for branding than you do from any sponsors you want to sell.

chadglni 03-21-2006 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MrLuvr
I find it funny that he considers himself in the same league as Match.com. Match is doing more than a hundred million dollars a year in profit.

Also, I think a lot of his Adsense revenue comes from other dating sites Google ads. He puts down those same dating sites that he makes most of his money off. Quite ironic really.

What would happen if all the dating sites excluded him from their adsense campaign?
Different fucking ads would show up and the morons would click like always. Make sense?

cranki 03-21-2006 09:16 AM
where do the income figures come from?

shuki 03-21-2006 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Pornwolf
At the end of the day I'm not happy to see sites like this work.

Why, you ask?

Because it does shift consumers to using the free dating site model. That model doesn't profit even 5% as much as the paid model which pays us accordingly. Free dating kills that industry and in turn our profits.

In 5 years all of them wil be free. Goldrush=Over.

But, was it necessary? No, there was no reason to lowball the industry just to get in the door. Sure it takes just a little bit more work to make money in that game but as all of us here know, it's not hard to get people to signup to damn near anything. Someone with his immense automation skills could have done better going the paid route.

I agree 100%

jjjay 03-21-2006 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MrLuvr
I don't think there is any way to tell if his Google links convert or not, is there? As far as I can tell, the stats just show them coming from Google Syndication, not the name of the site. If there is a way to know which sites the clicks come from, i woud love to know.
good point. I'm pretty sure you can track which sites AdSense clicks come from, and then filter out the sites that don't work for you using site exclusion.

on the other hand, they may perhaps be using site targeted ads so they'll then know exactly how many views and clicks they're getting

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And no, they are not joining Match.com in the same droves they were before. Myspace and other social networking sites have cut into their market in a big way.
interesting. I guess those companies will have to move with the times or keep losing market share.

jjjay 03-21-2006 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cranki
where do the income figures come from?
the site owner himself. his exact words were "I made $1 million in three months with Adsense"

also, further up this thread a friend of his confirms he got a $900,000 check from google for two months worth of clicks

ForteCash 03-21-2006 09:40 AM
I smell bullshit... also, Google told me they only allow adsense on very mainstream sites... wouldnt even accept my penis enlargement traffic and its extra fucking clean :(

jjjay 03-21-2006 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ForteCash
I smell bullshit... also, Google told me they only allow adsense on very mainstream sites... wouldnt even accept my penis enlargement traffic and its extra fucking clean :(

why exactly do you call bullshit? you do know that some people run very successful sites, right?

MrLuvr 03-21-2006 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ForteCash
I smell bullshit... also, Google told me they only allow adsense on very mainstream sites... wouldnt even accept my penis enlargement traffic and its extra fucking clean :(
Umm.. there is a big difference between penis enlargement and dating. As long as they are not adult, dating sites are very mainstream sites.

chadglni 03-21-2006 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjay
why exactly do you call bullshit? you do know that some people run very successful sites, right?
For some reason people refuse to believe anything they can't do themselves.

ForteCash 03-21-2006 09:56 AM
BULLSHIT!!!!! :2 cents:

jjjay 03-21-2006 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ForteCash
BULLSHIT!!!!! :2 cents:
great explanation. your succinct reasoning can not be faulted.


ps. 100

ForteCash 03-21-2006 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjay
great explanation. your reasoning can not be faulted.
Thanks :thumbsup

jjjay 03-21-2006 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ForteCash
Thanks :thumbsup
now I'm confused. which one of us is being sarcastic?

Taboo 03-21-2006 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by rowan
He says himself that undercutting a pay based model is the best way to make money via adsense.

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum89/12751.htm (you'll need a valid login)
no login needed if you go thru google: :winkwink:

cut & paste that URL into google and click-thru.
nice 25+ page thread worth reading & gleaning. lots to learn & replicate. not trying to clone his concept, just want to optimize my setup like his.

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Nicky 03-21-2006 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ForteCash
BULLSHIT!!!!! :2 cents:
Idiot. :2 cents:

Drake 03-21-2006 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Pornwolf
At the end of the day I'm not happy to see sites like this work.

Why, you ask?

Because it does shift consumers to using the free dating site model. That model doesn't profit even 5% as much as the paid model which pays us accordingly. Free dating kills that industry and in turn our profits.

In 5 years all of them wil be free. Goldrush=Over.

But, was it necessary? No, there was no reason to lowball the industry just to get in the door. Sure it takes just a little bit more work to make money in that game but as all of us here know, it's not hard to get people to signup to damn near anything. Someone with his immense automation skills could have done better going the paid route.
I think free sites affect paid models negatively but that it comes in waves and that there will always be a place for paid models. On his site he's upselling to paid models so people must still be signing up. Maybe it's similar to freehosts. Many of them were/are successful but many of us still opt for paid hosting because of the extra things it offers. Perhaps the customer can demand greater service and accountability on paid versions. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

ForteCash 03-21-2006 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Nicky
Idiot. :2 cents:
BULLSHIT!!!!!

X37375787 03-21-2006 10:39 AM
Guys, not all of it is profit. Who knows how slim his margins are. He's spent a fortune for backlinks and PPC traffic, don't think it all comes from nuttin.

ForteCash 03-21-2006 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Equinox
Guys, not all of it is profit. Who knows how slim his margins are. He's spent a fortune for backlinks and PPC traffic, don't think it all comes from nuttin.

Thats exactly what i'm saying.. Back in 99 when i was spending 150k a month on advertising, I was profiting around 80k... And I seriously doubt his margins are that good with fucking ppc. :2 cents:

Young 03-21-2006 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ForteCash
BULLSHIT!!!!! :2 cents:
Haha don't be mad. This guy is brilliant...400k a month in fucking clicks?? Jesus fucking Christ.

cool1g 03-21-2006 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ForteCash
Thats exactly what i'm saying.. Back in 99 when i was spending 150k a month on advertising, I was profiting around 80k... And I seriously doubt his margins are that good with fucking ppc. :2 cents:
actually, if you read his whole thread, he's running on a 90% operating margin.

he does some radio advertising here in the US and may do TV in Canada. that's it. no PPC nor link trades now - that was in 2004 when he first launched the site. he has no employees, the server costs have been listed before and that's it. the guy is just a gifted programmer/coder with a good idea that works great due to his skills.

it amazes me that this guy makes more $ in 1 month than 99.99% of GFYers make in 5 years and yet all they do is question his #s. this guy is legit - he's been written up a lot recently.

ForteCash 03-21-2006 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cool1g
actually, if you read his whole thread, he's running on a 90% operating margin.

he does some radio advertising here in the US and may do TV in Canada. that's it. no PPC nor link trades now - that was in 2004 when he first launched the site. he has no employees, the server costs have been listed before and that's it. the guy is just a gifted programmer/coder with a good idea that works great due to his skills.

it amazes me that this guy makes more $ in 1 month than 99.99% of GFYers make in 5 years and yet all they do is question his #s. this guy is legit - he's been written up a lot recently.

Well, you really have no proof either.. I mean, don Lapre can make us all multi-millionaires with small classified ads too, right?

I dont undertsnad why everyone takes everyone at face value, heh..

Like I said, I think its bullshit :thumbsup

Unless you're cashing his checks, and running his marketing, theres really no proof...

I'll keep doing what I do =)

MrLuvr 03-21-2006 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by cool1g
that's it. no PPC nor link trades now - .
Actually that is not true. He is still doing PPC. I saw an ad from him on Ads By Google just yesterday. A full banner going all the way across probaby 3 or 4 ad units. Those must be pretty expensive ads. So, he is obviously making money to pay for the ads. But, I am not sure he is opeating at 90%.

MrLuvr 03-21-2006 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by chadglni
Different fucking ads would show up and the morons would click like always. Make sense?
Yes, but the dating ads are the ones with the high paying clicks. If all dating sites decided to exclude him from their campaigns, I would think his income would take a hit.

The reason they are not doing it is probably because they get enough traffic from him and don't view him as enough of a threat. What is $4 million a year compared to what eharmony, match or even Jdate makes?

Young 03-21-2006 11:10 AM
I thought there were haters on GFY....that thread on Webmaster world is filled with them...

chadglni 03-21-2006 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by MrLuvr
Yes, but the dating ads are the ones with the high paying clicks. If all dating sites decided to exclude him from their campaigns, I would think his income would take a hit.

The reason they are not doing it is probably because they get enough traffic from him and don't view him as enough of a threat. What is $4 million a year compared to what eharmony, match or even Jdate makes?
Tell that to myspace. The dude could cash out and retire tomorrow.

ForteCash 03-21-2006 11:11 AM
Where exacly does all his traffic come from? his site says 600k per day in traffic... Is it only from radio and tv????

chadglni 03-21-2006 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ForteCash
Thats exactly what i'm saying.. Back in 99 when i was spending 150k a month on advertising, I was profiting around 80k... And I seriously doubt his margins are that good with fucking ppc. :2 cents:
WTF is wrong with you, seriously? His site is something people come back to, it's not like selling memberships for a fucking commission. He could spend $20 per customer then quit after a year and his ads would not quit making money. Jesus Christ you are dense.

chadglni 03-21-2006 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ForteCash
Where exacly does all his traffic come from? his site says 600k per day in traffic... Is it only from radio and tv????
How about it's from being the first free dating site to blow up? I've know about this site for a long ass time and I don't even care about it. Where do all of myspaces members come from? I mean gosh they don't even advertise.

X37375787 03-21-2006 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ForteCash
Where exacly does all his traffic come from? his site says 600k per day in traffic... Is it only from radio and tv????
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

one of many brilliant serps


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