60% of americans thing the war in iraq is going "badly"

[SmokeyTheBear]

what the fuck are the other 40% thinking . i sure hope its not that the war is going "good" because anyone who thinks the war in iraq is going good needs a slap upside the head. Infact anyone who thinks any war is going "good" needs a slap upside the head heh

/end rant of the day

[flashfire]

40% will jump off a bridge if the president tells them to

[SmokeyTheBear]

i just woke up to hear cnn say that and thought i would share . back to sleep

[xclusive]

Damn it's sad that %40 buy into his crap

[d_train]

I don't hear a word from the 40%

[st_rocks]

Originally Posted by d_train

I don't hear a word from the 40%

because they can't manage with computers and bboards. it's a hi-tek technology

One of my best friends was in Iraq just before the war. It was a paradise. No really. No theft. No mureders. Everyone was happy. He left a money in parked car near the hotel, about a 600$ in dinars (local currency). It was a big heap of money in packs without any cover on first seat place. Nobody take it. Leave a 20$ in NY, and your car will be cracked
So, now the Bush sucks oil, and every day 50 people die there.
Who is happy with such democracy?

[abadfish]

Originally Posted by st_rocks

because they can't manage with computers and bboards. it's a hi-tek technology

One of my best friends was in Iraq just before the war. It was a paradise. No really. No theft. No mureders. Everyone was happy. He left a money in parked car near the hotel, about a 600$ in dinars (local currency). It was a big heap of money in packs without any cover on first seat place. Nobody take it. Leave a 20$ in NY, and your car will be cracked
So, now the Bush sucks oil, and every day 50 people die there.
Who is happy with such democracy?

That is the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

[directfiesta]

Haliburton disagrees : everything is fine and dandy

[KRL]

I went to a wedding over the weekend and talked to an Air Force pilot that was there who just got back from his tour.

He said most of what they show on the news makes it way worse looking than it really is.

Said the people are just happy to have their economy starting back again with more freedom to do business.

Said most of the troops aren't allowed off base now with the fractional fighting and its just a small groups of guys that have to do the recon to give the appearance that we're still there that end up getting hurt.

Said the food was incredible on base. They got 3 big meals a day and had steaks, lobsters, seafood, the works.

Said about 1/2 the troops think we need to stay longer and 1/2 said we should pack it up and come home.

[rodney25]

40% includes Bush supporters.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by st_rocks

because they can't manage with computers and bboards. it's a hi-tek technology

One of my best friends was in Iraq just before the war. It was a paradise. No really. No theft. No mureders. Everyone was happy. He left a money in parked car near the hotel, about a 600$ in dinars (local currency). It was a big heap of money in packs without any cover on first seat place. Nobody take it. Leave a 20$ in NY, and your car will be cracked
So, now the Bush sucks oil, and every day 50 people die there.
Who is happy with such democracy?

If anybody is stupid enough to beleive this guy, please change side and vote for Bush, he needs your support.

[reynold]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

what the fuck are the other 40% thinking . i sure hope its not that the war is going "good" because anyone who thinks the war in iraq is going good needs a slap upside the head. Infact anyone who thinks any war is going "good" needs a slap upside the head heh

/end rant of the day

unfortunately, Bush, Rice, Powell and the rest of the guys think otherwise. they perceive the war in Iraq is cool

[jizpedlr98]

Things are going exactly as planned. Haliburton 9billion tax free not to mention like 50 billion in no bid contracts. Looks like a win win to me.

[reed_4]

those 40% believed that GWB is just doing great.

[tony286]

Things are not better for the iraqi people no clean water or electricity constant fighting. A 60% unemployment. Women are losing their rights there. Not a good thing.

[bogo]

those 40% are too busy reading the National Enquirer

[DaddyHalbucks]

Let me tell you what the 40% think.

We think war is war, and brutal and awful, but sometimes necessary.

We think that Iraq will be better off with Saddam gone and with a free society there.

We think it may take a few more years before the fighting subsides.

We think that thugs are trying to fill the power vacuum that the ouster of Saddam left in the country.

We think that these thugs need to be pounded hard.

We think that if the US flees prematurely, all our sacrifices will be in vain and Iraq will collapse back into chaos.

In the context of WWII and many other wars, indeed the Iraq war is going well.

Too many people have gotten too soft and fat gorging on the left wing media. Between their fat asses, and bad attitudes, and their BMW windshields distorting their vision, they are a mess. They forget how lucky we all are and how people fought and died for their freedom. Wake up!

[jizpedlr98]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Let me tell you what the 40% think.

We think war is war, and brutal and awful, but sometimes necessary.

We think that Iraq will be better off with Saddam gone and with a free society there.

We think it may take a few more years before the fighting subsides.

We think that thugs are trying to fill the power vacuum that the ouster of Saddam left in the country.

We think that these thugs need to be pounded hard.

We think that if the US flees prematurely, all our sacrifices will be in vain and Iraq will collapse back into chaos.

In the context of WWII and many other wars, indeed the Iraq war is going well.

Too many people have gotten too soft and fat gorging on the left wing media. Between their fat asses, and bad attitudes, and their BMW windshields distorting their vision, they are a mess. They forget how lucky we all are and how people fought and died for their freedom. Wake up!

Well we think, we told you so. Everything those like myself who thought the war was a stupid idea in the first place warned others about has come true. No WMDs, no greeting as liberators, a huge insurgency, a drawn out war that would drain our economy. Wait Bush said the war would cost 2 Billion, LMFAO!!!!

And one more thing. Iraq was better off with Sadam. At this point the best thing we could do is put him back in power. What he's on trial for killing 150 people who tried to assasinate him? Big fucking deal. Bush would kill people who tried to assisinate him too. He's no worse than most of the tyrants killing their own people and we do nothing to stop them.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Let me tell you what the 40% think.

We think war is war, and brutal and awful, but sometimes necessary.

We think that Iraq will be better off with Saddam gone and with a free society there.

We think it may take a few more years before the fighting subsides.

We think that thugs are trying to fill the power vacuum that the ouster of Saddam left in the country.

We think that these thugs need to be pounded hard.

We think that if the US flees prematurely, all our sacrifices will be in vain and Iraq will collapse back into chaos.

In the context of WWII and many other wars, indeed the Iraq war is going well.

Too many people have gotten too soft and fat gorging on the left wing media. Between their fat asses, and bad attitudes, and their BMW windshields distorting their vision, they are a mess. They forget how lucky we all are and how people fought and died for their freedom. Wake up!

so to sum it up , you think the war is going "good" ?

[nekrom]

Jup it's also like the 3 year since invasion anniversary, I'm hearing in the news.

-N

[Hey You . . . I Know You!]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Let me tell you what the 40% think.

We think war is war, and brutal and awful, but sometimes necessary.

We think that Iraq will be better off with Saddam gone and with a free society there.

We think it may take a few more years before the fighting subsides.

We think that thugs are trying to fill the power vacuum that the ouster of Saddam left in the country.

We think that these thugs need to be pounded hard.

We think that if the US flees prematurely, all our sacrifices will be in vain and Iraq will collapse back into chaos.

In the context of WWII and many other wars, indeed the Iraq war is going well.

Too many people have gotten too soft and fat gorging on the left wing media. Between their fat asses, and bad attitudes, and their BMW windshields distorting their vision, they are a mess. They forget how lucky we all are and how people fought and died for their freedom. Wake up!

Honestly, I am amazed that you survived the massive trauma that was inflicted upon your thin skull. Really, you should be happy you can still breath! How many of your vital functions actually still work?

Anyway, this thread is full of shit!

I know this because on May 1, 2003 . . . G W Bush declared major combat in Iraq over and he said, "Mission Accomplished!"

So, you just don't know what you are talking about. This war was over years ago, just like Bush promised when he was begging for support for the invasion of Iraq (before the invasion).

We have achieved VICTORY in Iraq Bush told us back in 2003!!!

"Bush offered the explanation after being asked whether his speech declaring an end to major combat in Iraq under the "Mission Accomplished" banner was premature, given that U.S. casualties in Iraq since then have surpassed those before it.

During the speech in May, Bush said, "The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September 11, 2001, and still goes on.""


Don't believe the Left. They want you to believe that the war is still going on in Iraq and that innocent people are being killed and that Iraq is not a diversion from the war on terror. They also want you to believe that Bush never promised that the action in Iraq would be brief and financed by oil from Iraq. Those leftist fucks want you to believe that we shouldn't finish the job in Iraq even though terrorist are all around us working, planning and plotting their next attack.

[jizpedlr98]

LMAO! Way to throw this guy a bone

[Webby]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Let me tell you what the 40% think.

We think war is war, and brutal and awful, but sometimes necessary.

"Sometimes necessary" is a possible opinion. Other nations have opinions as well over Iraq, but with different judgement.

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

We think that Iraq will be better off with Saddam gone and with a free society there.

Was that the reason for an invasion of Iraq? What free society? Try some freedoms in the US before bothering about other nations.

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

We think it may take a few more years before the fighting subsides.

I thought it was claimed it would be over and done with years back?

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

We think that these thugs need to be pounded hard.

Another opinion based on very little - the "thugs" who live there obviously have similar views/plans. Knowing what is best for other nations is something best judged by those who live there. We should ask the population of Norway what's best for the residents of North Carolina.

There was a serious lack of judgement from day one on Iraq, apart from the admins desire to invade, and this has continued to this day. "Judgement" and the current "admin" are two words that don't blend so well - neither over Iraq or in any US domestic situation.

Have they actually collected all the bodies from under the rubble in New Orleans yet??

[st_rocks]

Originally Posted by abadfish

That is the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

I bet you hear nothing, but CNN or BBC only. And some crap from local newspapers due your retarded head.

Here is some photos of Iraq before war I've uploaded to Flickr.
flickr.com/photos/82973835@N00/sets/72057594087197045/
Add "www" before link, I'am not allowed to post URLs because of stupid rules.
No other photos in office, unfortunately.

[BoobleBob]

Videotape Leads to Pentagon Probe of Iraqi Deaths
Military Investigates Marines' Role in Incident That Killed 15 Civilians

By JONATHAN KARL, ABCNews.com

WASHINGTON (March 20) -- A bloody videotape shot by a local Iraqi journalism student has prompted the Pentagon to launch a criminal investigation into an incident that left at least 15 Iraqi civilians dead in the city of Haditha.

The details of what happened four months ago in Haditha are just now coming to light with the release of the videotape by an Iraqi organization called Hammurabi Human Rights.

The tape shows the bloodied and bullet-marked homes that had been allegedly stormed by the Marines, and includes comments by local residents.

"This is my father," a boy says on the tape. "He didn't do anything wrong. Why did they kill him?"

'These Are Children'

The video shows the bodies of some of the dead, including one of three children killed.

"These are children," one man on the tape says. "Are you telling me these are terrorists?"

It all started Nov. 19 when a roadside bomb hit a convoy of 12 Marines in Haditha, killing 20-year-old Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas.

The official press release said simply: "A U.S. Marine and 15 Iraqi civilians were killed yesterday from the blast of a roadside bomb."

Military officials now acknowledge the Iraqis were not killed by the bomb -- but, they now say, by crossfire as U.S. Marines stormed the surrounding homes.

The military did not launch an investigation until two months after the incident, when Time magazine showed officials the video and eyewitness testimony.

"We launched an investigation of our own with the help of a human rights group," said Aparisim Ghosh, a writer for Time. "We spoke to some eyewitnesses. And it turns out all the people killed were killed by the Marines in small arms fire and, in a few instances, by an explosive that was tossed into the home by the Marines themselves."

Senior Pentagon officials would not comment on the details of the case but said they take the allegations very seriously, which is why they've launched the criminal investigation.

It still is not clear the Marines used excessive force, but the locals seem to have made up their minds.

"They came and started shooting all of a sudden," one local said. "They didn't even knock on the door. They killed them wholesale."

According to a military spokesman, the Marines involved still are deployed in Iraq.


03-20-06 16:33 EST


Copyright 2006 ABCNEWS.com

[The Demon]

Is this the "We're liberals, we're gay, and we hate Bush" thread of the week?

[jayeff]

Does it really matter whether people fall into the 60% or the 40%? I watch Boston Legal mainly for the play between William Shatner and James Spader, but last week Spader's character summed up recent events rather well:

"When the weapons of mass destruction thing turned out to be not true, I expected the American people to rise up. Ha! They didn't.

Then, when the Abu Ghraib torture thing surfaced and it was revealed that our government participated in rendition, a practice where we kidnap people and turn them over to regimes who specialize in torture, I was sure then the American people would be heard from. We stood mute.

Then came the news that we jailed thousands of so-called terrorists suspects, locked them up without the right to a trial or even the right to confront their accusers. Certainly, we would never stand for that. We did.

And now, it's been discovered the executive branch has been conducting massive, illegal, domestic surveillance on its own citizens. You and me. And I at least consoled myself that finally, finally the American people will have had enough. Evidently, we haven't.

In fact, if the people of this country have spoken, the message is we're okay with it all. Torture, warrantless search and seizure, illegal wiretappings, prison without a fair trial - or any trial, war on false pretenses. We, as a citizenry, are apparently not offended."

[The Demon]

Perfectly said, the liberal morons bitch and bitch incessantly and all it is, is funny to watch. And what's even funnier is the fact that it hardly affects any of their pathetic lives.

[Markit]

Iraq Coalition Casualties

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[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

what the fuck are the other 40% thinking . i sure hope its not that the war is going "good" because anyone who thinks the war in iraq is going good needs a slap upside the head. Infact anyone who thinks any war is going "good" needs a slap upside the head heh

/end rant of the day

That other 40% are the red states. They believe whatever Bush tells them.

[adultchica]

Of course the war is going badly. The other 40 percent are Bush zombies.

[Jace]

I don't get into political debates often, but there are some disturbing views in this thread

the only thing I have to say is this....why aren't we working on the problems we have at home before spending more on other countries?

Why is New Orleans sitting demolished while we spend billions more on a war that 60% don't agree on?

Why are their forced childrens prostitute camps within the United States borders without any law enforcement task forces to find them?

Why is it that men who rape kids get 3 years in jail, and people who sell drugs to willing takers get 25 years in jail

Why are we not allowed to protest anymore? any time someone wants to protest they have to be put in a "freedom of speech area" like some bad dog that chewed it's moms shoes

there is a lot of backwards shit going on, and no one ever stands up and says they don't wanna take it anymore, no one fights anymore, no one wants to leave their houses if they don't have to....no one wants to put down that cheetoh for 1 hour, stand up in front of hundreds of others, and make a statement by burning flag or throwing oil on the presidents motorcade

this country, and its citizens, are in a very low place

[DaddyHalbucks]

Google: "Georges Sada"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Saddam's WMDs: The Russian-Syrian Connection

By Ben Johnson

FrontPageMagazine.com | March 20, 2006

When a military man ? especially a patriot like Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney ? states Saddam Hussein shipped his WMD stockpiles to Syria before Operation Iraqi Freedom, the media castigate him for overweening fealty to his commander-in-chief. One wonders how they will react when the man making that statement is a former high-ranking official in the Iraqi military, personally called out of retirement by Saddam Hussein.

That man is Gen. Georges Sada, and his reception has consisted of silence.



Sada, the author of Saddam?s Secrets, was the number two man in Saddam Hussein?s air force. Sada?s story confirms the testimony of Lt. Gen. McInerney ? from the inside.



Sada recently spoke at the Wednesday Morning Club. This author was privileged to get to interview Sada on the national radio program ?Hey, Wake Up America? on February 15 ? at the invitation of regular co-hosts Dave Marshall and Scott Crofut.



Sada confounded the conventional wisdom in its every detail: he said Saddam did possess stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, which were transported across the Syrian border by truck and plane in late 2002.



Before the war, Sada says Saddam invested great planning in hiding his weapons stash. ?He had a committee specifically to hide [WMDs],? Sada told me. The committee met ?until a natural disaster happened in Syria in 2002,? when Saddam saw his chance.



Sada says Saddam used the dam collapse in northwestern Syria as cover, sending out jets filled with WMDs ? which the world would believe was humanitarian aid to Iraq?s fellow Ba?athist neighbor and longtime ally. He tells of WMDs being smuggled out of Iraq in ?two ways ? over the ground and air,? in ?747s and 18-wheelers.? Although he was uncertain where in Syria the truck convoy was headed, he said he knew two 747s full of WMDs ? ?chemical and biological? ? were taken to ?Damascus directly by air.?



He believes the Iraqis made the transfer between September and November 2002. Though he discounts speculation about the exact date, he stated, ?It [was] for sure, after the natural disaster happened in Syria.?



He told this author the foiled al-Qaeda plot to strike Amman Jordan in April 2004 shocked him out of silence. Not only did it prove the weapons still existed, but that they had the potential to kill tens of thousands of people. ?These weapons have already fallen into the hands of the terrorists,? Sada said. ?20,000 people were supposed to be killed in this attack. But thank the Jordanians that their intelligence managed to stop this.? When he heard of this, ?I said, ?Oh my God, these weapons have fallen into the hands of the terrorists...and then they can use them anywhere in the West, in America, so I decided to make this known, that this is the story: that the weapons have gone to Syria by air and by ground, and something must be done to stop [the rest of] these weapons [from falling] into the hands of the terrorists.?



When Scott Crofut asked, Sada said he doubted Basher Assad?s Ba?athist government would use these weapons in a future Middle Eastern conflict. ?To use these weapons would be a disaster,? he said, noting the strong deterrent effect of Israel?s nuclear program. ?I don?t think the Syrians are thinking of using it, but God knows how they think.? Syria remains one of a handful of nations never to have signed the Chemical Weapons Convention.



If Sada?s story is true, it would lend credence to the testimony of others in the intelligence community that Saddam?s WMDs were shipped to Syria, dating essentially from the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom.



As far back as 2003, Lt. Gen. James Clapper stated WMDs have been trucked to Syria.
In April 2004, Jordan?s King Abdallah claimed the 20 tons of chemical weapons seized in Amman and belonging to al-Qaeda agents were manufactured in Iraq.
WMD inspector David Kay and others said Syria acted as a depository for Saddam?s WMDs.
Former Justice Department official John Loftus made a strong argument that significant deposits of WMDs are buried in Syria.
Israeli Lieutenant General Moshe Yaalon made similar statements in April 2004 and December 2005.
Last month, FrontPageMag.com columnist Ken Timmerman detailed a briefing given by former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw confirming Russian involvement. Russian General Yevgeni Primakov oversaw an operation known as ?Sarandar? (?Emergency Exit?), in which Spetsnaz and other Russian assets convoyed Saddam?s weapons across the Syrian border.
Sada also testified to a Russian role in the WMD evacuation. ?There is no doubt to me that the Russians were helpful,? he told me. And the aid went beyond menial labor; Sada quoted recently released transcripts of conversations in which Saddam and Tariq Aziz discussed tying up United Nations efforts through the diplomatic pressure of their business partners. ?There was a lot of interference by the Russians and French? in the UN, General Sada said.



In addition being an internal Iraqi eyewitness, Gen. Sada adds his personal integrity to the charges made by distinguished intelligence authorities.



How much integrity? Ask Col. David Eberly (USAF, Ret.), the highest-ranking POW of the first Gulf War. Brought out of retirement, Sada ? who is an Assyrian Christian and member of the Presbyterian Church ? was charged by Saddam Hussein with overseeing captured U.S. servicemen. Saddam Hussein?s son, Qusai, ordered Sada to declare all American POWs war criminals and have them executed; he refused but says he changed Iraqi policy when he convinced Qusai his own family would be targeted in retaliation for violating the Geneva Convention.



According to Saddam?s Secrets, it was not the first time Sada had prevailed upon the Hussein family. In November 1990, he had a ?one-hour, 41-minute discussion? with Saddam Hussein, in which the dictator plotted to unleash a chemical and biological attack on Israel at the outset of the Gulf War. Sada says Hussein planned to send his Migs and Mirage aircraft through Syrian and Jordanian airspace ?without telling Jordan and the Syrians.? Sada said he convinced the despot against the move by telling him Iraq?s jets would be caught on radar and shot down, inflicting damage on his ally nations. Further, ?Israel will have now to retaliate and use their nuclear weapons against Iraq.? This, he said, convinced Saddam to reconsider.



Saddam, he said, was a master at hiding his intentions and his weapons. When asked whether U.S. air strikes had decimated Saddam?s weapons program ? as President Clinton suggested several months ago ? he replied, ?A lot of this was also destroyed by American air attacks.? However, he added, ?many [WMDs] were hid.?



?To the best of my knowledge, there are still two big bunkers of concrete? in Iraq containing WMDs, although ?Saddam flooded them.? Although he says he has revealed the location to American military officials, he fears they may yet fall into the hands of Saddam loyalists or foreign jihadists if the United States withdraws prematurely.



Now, he says he is again trying to prevent another unannounced WMD attack ? fighting, not Saddam or Qusai Hussein, but the media blackout, the partisan stonewall, and politically motivated members of the American intelligence community. He acknowledges it is a David and Goliath fight, but he has faith ? like our president ? that right will ultimately prevail. ?I am very weak, but I am strong in Jesus.?

http://frontpagemagazine.com/Article...e.asp?ID=21722