IbillEU

[WarChild]

I know Ibill US has been a giant cluster fuck for sometime, but how about the European side? Are they behind too? How far behind?

[DutchTeenCash]

with what? signups? new clients?

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by thinkx

with what? signups? new clients?

Are they paying out webmasters on new sign ups?

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Are they paying out webmasters on new sign ups?

youre kidding right.

theyve paid out ON the spot for the last 3 years.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I know Ibill US has been a giant cluster fuck for sometime, but how about the European side? Are they behind too? How far behind?

If you asked iBill, they'd probably say it exists, but doubt it.

As far as I know the EU side was detached from iBill to enable banks on that side to release funding owing to webmasters. Chris Williams, who set up this facility for iBill originally, stood in the middle and negotiated with iBill and banks to enable webmaster payments and this was successful.

Bottom line.. iBill have no cred on either side of the Atlantic.

[DutchTeenCash]

All jokes aside : I know - noone - who has received funds in Europe. Cluster fuck or not, they never paid. The last wire/check we got was over 2 yrs ago.

[WarChild]

I was under the impression that Quiet's site as well as Jan's web ring was using Ibill EU.

If it exists, and you can not process with CCbill, it begs the question: Is an unreliable secondary biller still better than no secondary biller at all?

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I was under the impression that Quiet's site as well as Jan's web ring was using Ibill EU.

If it exists, and you can not process with CCbill, it begs the question: Is an unreliable secondary biller still better than no secondary biller at all?

As far as I know noone uses IbillEU and gets paid anymore.

IbillEU isnt unreliable, theyre not paying at all. I wouldnt use them if they offered to cut the rates to 1% even.

[breaker]

Why not use CCBillEU + PaycomEU ?

[Webby]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I was under the impression that Quiet's site as well as Jan's web ring was using Ibill EU.

If it exists, and you can not process with CCbill, it begs the question: Is an unreliable secondary biller still better than no secondary biller at all?

I suppose they are all reliable until they crash, - whether in the prime processor category or otherwise.

If you mean specifically EU area processing, there are a few to chose from and, - only my - but it's prob safer to have 10 backup processors and spread the risk. I'd just never dump all revenue-earning eggs into one processing company anymore.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by breaker

Why not use CCBillEU + PaycomEU ?

Because PaycomEU allows a Canadian to act as the principal for the Visa contract where as CCbill does not. For CCbill EU you need a European with an EU passport to act as principal. You can have somebody act as an agent, but the visa contract is for all purposes in their name and thus I'm not sure who to trust or even anyone that would want that type of responsibility. I believe they have the same restrictions in the US, with a US citizen.

[DutchTeenCash]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Because PaycomEU allows a Canadian to act as the principal for the Visa contract where as CCbill does not. For CCbill EU you need a European with an EU passport to act as principal. You can have somebody act as an agent, but the visa contract is for all purposes in their name and thus I'm not sure who to trust or even anyone that would want that type of responsibility. I believe they have the same restrictions in the US, with a US citizen.

thats correct yes gotta have EU pass and sig on the contract, EU citizens cant signup for US ccbill either.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Because PaycomEU allows a Canadian to act as the principal for the Visa contract where as CCbill does not. For CCbill EU you need a European with an EU passport to act as principal. You can have somebody act as an agent, but the visa contract is for all purposes in their name and thus I'm not sure who to trust or even anyone that would want that type of responsibility. I believe they have the same restrictions in the US, with a US citizen.

It may be worth considering a corp with a nominee dirs in the EU region - and then having them pass a full Power of Attorney to you. Tho, irrespective, - there is a need to "know your nominees".

One of the things I keep looking for in a processor is security - regardless of their verbal and purported industry ranking. If transacted funds, - those being the property of clients, - are not directly accessable by the processing company and where, if the company met it's demise, - those funds would be paid out by a third party or transacting bank.

There are a couple of processors with this model in the EU - Verotel and SegPay. On almost all the rest, - from "big" processors to small, - webmaster security has been an issue which has been avoided.

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Because PaycomEU allows a Canadian to act as the principal for the Visa contract where as CCbill does not. For CCbill EU you need a European with an EU passport to act as principal. You can have somebody act as an agent, but the visa contract is for all purposes in their name and thus I'm not sure who to trust or even anyone that would want that type of responsibility. I believe they have the same restrictions in the US, with a US citizen.

Let me know if we may be of assistance. If your volume is high enough, we can help you establish and EU merchant account and corp.

Thank you, Mitch Farber

[precise]

Originally Posted by WarChild

Are they paying out webmasters on new sign ups?

A couple Russian sites I've seen selling stolen content like blondesnonstop.com use IbillEU still, so must be paying? providing they sell..

[Calvinguy]

Originally Posted by thinkx

All jokes aside : I know - noone - who has received funds in Europe. Cluster fuck or not, they never paid. The last wire/check we got was over 2 yrs ago.

I am paid almost in full and get paid for rebills every 14 days even though I haven't send a new sale their way for almost 2 years.

[Ramster]

ANYONE that signs up with IBill is well... enough said. iBill no matter where they are are screwing people constantly. Stay away and go with one of the other MANY processors.

[GammaClaude]

Wow......there's still some people using IBILL....!!! incredible. At least , they should have change their name

Go with other processing .....Paycom , Net billing or CCBILL....unless you want to give away your membership !!

[Shoplifter]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I was under the impression that Quiet's site as well as Jan's web ring was using Ibill EU.

If it exists, and you can not process with CCbill, it begs the question: Is an unreliable secondary biller still better than no secondary biller at all?

I have IBill EU sites that are still being paid. However I'm not really sure Ibill EU still exists...I rather thought it was all Gkard now.

As far as I know we have been paid everything except for some reserves...our last wire was on March 3 or so.

[bigdog]

Originally Posted by Webby

It may be worth considering a corp with a nominee dirs in the EU region - and then having them pass a full Power of Attorney to you. Tho, irrespective, - there is a need to "know your nominees".

One of the things I keep looking for in a processor is security - regardless of their verbal and purported industry ranking. If transacted funds, - those being the property of clients, - are not directly accessable by the processing company and where, if the company met it's demise, - those funds would be paid out by a third party or transacting bank.

There are a couple of processors with this model in the EU - Verotel and SegPay. On almost all the rest, - from "big" processors to small, - webmaster security has been an issue which has been avoided.

That is what segpay and verotel say but has anyone checked to see if this is acutally true?