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SmokeyTheBear · 03-18-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by XPays

not one of you emailed this to me/us or called and you say our silence speaks volumes. forgive me- my omnipotence potion did not work lol..

thanks smokey for pointing this out and i assure you guba will remove all our content and/or suffer the consequences.

sorry i think we just assumed your btracker had informed you of this thread when it started

Doctor Dre · 03-18-2006, 11:27 AM

I missed the drama about GUBA while I was gone, but I sure as hell aiin't wearing their hat at a convention anytime soon lol

thonglife · 03-18-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Which usenet binaries group was the best converting?

a.b.p.nospam.teenfem.nonude.. a.b.p.models.. those are two I can recall that did well.

justsexxx · 03-18-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lesbodojo

What we need for content removal...

Jeez you are stupid AND clueless.

When they steal the stuff from your house, you can ask politely to get your stuff back? This is how GUBA works...

Jeez

BusterBunny · 03-18-2006, 05:57 PM

guba is like bugs bunny when they steal your stuff they trick you into buying it back at a discount price and you feel happy that you got a deal.....

justsexxx · 03-18-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterBunny

they steal your stuff they trick you into buying it back at a discount price and you feel happy that you got a deal.....

HAha indeed

XPays · 03-18-2006, 06:15 PM

guba-

look at this - Salomon v. Net Management Services, et al./Copyright Violations

United States District Court, Central District of California

Case No. CV 04-1553

it's where you are headed.

justsexxx · 03-18-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by XPays

guba-

look at this - Salomon v. Net Management Services, et al./Copyright Violations

United States District Court, Central District of California

Case No. CV 04-1553

it's where you are headed.

You mean you WILL sue them. Even after they removed your content?

If so GREAT NEWS!!! Many ppl here have big mouths, but don't do a THING

XPays · 03-18-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

You mean you WILL sue them. Even after they removed your content?

If so GREAT NEWS!!! Many ppl here have big mouths, but don't do a THING

it's funny when they decide to ask for copyright info but then comply anyway. what's not funny is if and when guba gets added to another ongoing suit not posted here as of yet.

wyldblyss · 03-18-2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lesbodojo

What we need for content removal...

What you need to do is to provide every sponsor with exclusive content and every producer a free user/pass to your site that does not expire since it appears those that own the content have to police your site. You should also provide a billing address where said sponsors/content producers can send and invoice for the hours their staff spent policing your site.

scardog · 03-18-2006, 06:41 PM

Sure would be nice to see those bastards get some legal karma for stealing the real producer's blind. Get em Xpays, if your attorneys think you can win!

I think their skin is supposed to be up here soon too. Yeah, right.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-18-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

You mean you WILL sue them. Even after they removed your content?

If so GREAT NEWS!!! Many ppl here have big mouths, but don't do a THING

i highly doubt its gone , just removed temporarily , thats how they make their money. if they counted on drab usenet content re-posted for the last 10 years they would be broke.. Guba only survives because an organized band of thieves constantly uploads stolen content for the sole purpose of making a market of "accessing" it.

HairToStay · 03-19-2006, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by scardog

Sure would be nice to see those bastards get some legal karma for stealing the real producer's blind. Get em Xpays, if your attorneys think you can win!

I don't see how they can't win. The site was selling access to a video they don't own or have rights to resell.

Proving damages is something else, however. They needs facts and figures of how many downloads were done so they can sue for X per download. Last big suit won was $1,500 per image being used without permission, wonder how much they can get per video download.

They should also go after every scummy webmaster who promoted this video for contributory copyright infringement.

Still don't see how they can claim to have just 2 million images and videos and yet claim they add 350,000 per day.

Forkbeard · 03-19-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

if they counted on drab usenet content re-posted for the last 10 years they would be broke.. Guba only survives because an organized band of thieves constantly uploads stolen content for the sole purpose of making a market of "accessing" it.

I'm not trying to restart the GUBA wars, but this common viewpoint is in fact just plain wrong. There's a *huge* universe of material on GUBA that's unique and converts precisely because there's nobody currently selling it. Virtually all of my GUBA marketing surrounds pictures I found that aren't available anywhere else on the net, for any price. And that's precisely why my surfers whip out their credit cards.

My biggest GUBA sales comes from vintage erotic photography -- those old "French" postcards and black-and-white wallet photos dating from about 1890 through 1965 or so. The earliest stuff is genuinely free of copyright. More recent stuff must belong to somebody, but the rightsholder was often somebody like a mail-order pornographer operating under an assumed name out of the back of a magazine. He died in 1972 and he kept his business a secret from his family, so his heirs never knew about the rights they inherited. That stuff is *dead* to the market, it's *impossible* to license and publish. But obsessive collectors and afficionados swap it on UseNet, and folks will pay for GUBA to help them find it.

GUBA's huge, and so perhaps there do exist folks who are abusing it precisely as Smokey alleges. But it's just flat wrong to say that's the soul of GUBA's business model. I sell GUBA because GUBA exposes for non-technical users a huge universe of orphan content, stuff that's lost to the market, stuff that nobody's currently selling and nobody currently can sell.

Whomever is right about the legalities (and my opinion on them is well known), it's important to understand that GUBA is a lot bigger than the universe of recently-produced content by folks active in today's pornography market.

(The rules I established during the last round of GUBA wars remain in effect -- if you want to argue or discuss with me, keep it civil and polite. If your post is the usual GFY golconda of insult, abuse, and ad hominem, I'll most likely ignore it.)

SmokeyTheBear · 03-19-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

I'm not trying to restart the GUBA wars, but this common viewpoint is in fact just plain wrong. There's a *huge* universe of material on GUBA that's unique and converts precisely because there's nobody currently selling it. Virtually all of my GUBA marketing surrounds pictures I found that aren't available anywhere else on the net, for any price. And that's precisely why my surfers whip out their credit cards.

My biggest GUBA sales comes from vintage erotic photography -- those old "French" postcards and black-and-white wallet photos dating from about 1890 through 1965 or so. The earliest stuff is genuinely free of copyright. More recent stuff must belong to somebody, but the rightsholder was often somebody like a mail-order pornographer operating under an assumed name out of the back of a magazine. He died in 1972 and he kept his business a secret from his family, so his heirs never knew about the rights they inherited. That stuff is *dead* to the market, it's *impossible* to license and publish. But obsessive collectors and afficionados swap it on UseNet, and folks will pay for GUBA to help them find it.

GUBA's huge, and so perhaps there do exist folks who are abusing it precisely as Smokey alleges. But it's just flat wrong to say that's the soul of GUBA's business model. I sell GUBA because GUBA exposes for non-technical users a huge universe of orphan content, stuff that's lost to the market, stuff that nobody's currently selling and nobody currently can sell.

Whomever is right about the legalities (and my opinion on them is well known), it's important to understand that GUBA is a lot bigger than the universe of recently-produced content by folks active in today's pornography market.

(The rules I established during the last round of GUBA wars remain in effect -- if you want to argue or discuss with me, keep it civil and polite. If your post is the usual GFY golconda of insult, abuse, and ad hominem, I'll most likely ignore it.)

always interested in logical discussion..

But its not so easy to pull the wool over the eyes of everyone here who knows exactly what usenet exists for.

YOU may market guba for vintage porn , but you know very well thats not where guba makes its money

Lets cuts the shit , guba exists to get stolen material.. you can paint the picture however you want but thats reality..

Reality also says copyright holders aren't required to submit to thousands of sites database to protect their rights..

You may think its "flat wrong" to assume most of guba affiliates are marketting copyright material , but a quick check of the "facts" tells us otherwise. ( i.e. go log on and see )

Anyone with half a brain can see how guba works and how worthless the service would be if it werent for the fact affiliates can promote individual stolen content.

If guba wanted to clear that up they can simply stop allowing affiliates to link directly to custom queries and instead setup predefined landing pages for specefic niches like "vintage porn"

text filters arent going to work thats why the only solution until they have their own team of people removing copyright material is to not allow affiliates to link directly to search queries.. nor should they be displaying "examples" of "custom" queries, they should be only displaying examples of pre-defined queries..

Its way to easy for me to download paris hilton video rename it to smokeys-custom-query-string.mpg

then upload it to guba and point my surfers to a custom search query to include the video..

Guba must make some effort on their own to curb the download of copyright material.. asking content providers to manually verify and ask for removal of individual items is ludicrous.

The amount of content on guba doesnt matter nor does the amount of non-copyright material on guba matter. WE ARENT FUCKING MORONS , we know whats on the usenet

sixone · 03-19-2006, 11:25 AM

Did anyone hear GUBA's new tagline?

GUBA - "For the avid post card collector"

Forkbeard · 03-19-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

YOU may market guba for vintage porn , but you know very well thats not where guba makes its money

On the contrary, I know very well that GUBA makes its money in thousands of little obscure niches that aren't being served by the mainstream porn sites. You folks who market last week's newest nudie pics are making a huge mistake in assuming that's the only place where there's money.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Anyone with half a brain can see how guba works and how worthless the service would be if it werent for the fact affiliates can promote individual stolen content.

We're in strong disagreement about that. My whole argument (and I have at least half a brain) is that GUBA would be thriving and valuable even if you could wave your magic wand (or they could) and get rid of everything you are calling "stolen content". Again, current on-the-market content is only a tiny fraction of what's available on Usenet.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

WE ARENT FUCKING MORONS , we know whats on the usenet

That's exactly my point -- you and the folks who argue with you don't seem to know what's on Usenet. If you do actually know, then you're not being honest when you talk about it. You pretend that your stolen content is pretty much all that's there, when in fact it's the least valuable thing to be found on Usenet, and the least interesting from this GUBA affiliate's point of view.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-19-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

On the contrary, I know very well that GUBA makes its money in thousands of little obscure niches that aren't being served by the mainstream porn sites. You folks who market last week's newest nudie pics are making a huge mistake in assuming that's the only place where there's money.

if you seriously think that , your clueless

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

We're in strong disagreement about that. My whole argument (and I have at least half a brain) is that GUBA would be thriving and valuable even if you could wave your magic wand (or they could) and get rid of everything you are calling "stolen content". Again, current on-the-market content is only a tiny fraction of what's available on Usenet.

Im not "calling" it stolen content . IT IS STOLEN CONTENT . with the copyright marks clearly visible in many places, you can try to bullshit the gullible but not webmasters you can just go to guba and type search to see the majority of the content is COPYRIGHT protected

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

That's exactly my point -- you and the folks who argue with you don't seem to know what's on Usenet. If you do actually know, then you're not being honest when you talk about it. You pretend that your stolen content is pretty much all that's there, when in fact it's the least valuable thing to be found on Usenet, and the least interesting from this GUBA affiliate's point of view.

If thats your point , then you dont understand english very well nor are you being TRUTHFULL. Im logged and looking at it now.. the majority of the content posted is copyright protected and posted by someone promoting a product like guba to access it easily.. plain and simple. im not making this shit up , anyone can simply log in and see for yourselves.. there are som elegit posts , but the VAST majority is stolen content uploaded ( as stated above ) for the sole purpose of promoting a reader like guba..

Forkbeard · 03-19-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

im not making this shit up , anyone can simply log in and see for yourselves

They can indeed, and I hope they do. For when they do, I'm confident they'll find that my report is closer to accurate than yours is.

xclusive · 03-19-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by XPays

it's funny when they decide to ask for copyright info but then comply anyway. what's not funny is if and when guba gets added to another ongoing suit not posted here as of yet.

Just do it man, Take these fuckers out

Devils_Child · 03-19-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard

They can indeed, and I hope they do. For when they do, I'm confident they'll find that my report is closer to accurate than yours is.

Ok, so you feel like Guba is is ok selling content that is owned by someone else. Lets change some thing here. Lets say you, Forkbeard, spend time and money buying content exclusive to your site. Or you hire a model to work with, then pay a photographer to take the pics. Spend tons of cash getting a website up and working. Oh lets ball park figure this, around 10k.

So you spent 10k to get this site of yours up and then you see your content, even one pic that you own that is exclusive to you on another site. Lets not even use guba. You would do nothing about it? You would say "Hey, thats ok for them to take my pic or movie and link it to there join page." Is that what your saying?

Then you notice an email saying, that if your content happends to be on our site. They will take it down right away. Well it's your content. Why would they use it? Why would they have an email saying that if its on there, they will take it down? So you spent 10k and if some one doesn't see that its on a site. Then it's ok for the site owner to use it? When they are caught, the owner or yourself have to email them and prove you own it?

I am not trying to start wars here. But I know if I spent 10k to get a site up and exclusive to me. I would be pissed at anyone that uses it. One pic, or a full set to promote another site. Or some one elses site. If some one that is getting many sets of your content and using it on there own site to promote. then you have to figure that its your money spent on making the content and your allowing your paid contnent to be used for some one else site.

I don't know, it kinda sounds like thats what they are doing. I really don't care who promotes them. But to tell me it's ok to use my content on some one elses site, to do anything like promote the other site or get sales that I paid for the content, is pretty harsh. I didnt spend the cash for some other site to have it. I paid for ME or MY sites to have it exclusive.

That is just me tho. Hey smokey the bear. Can I have your email addy?

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scardog Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 886	Sure would be nice to see those bastards get some legal karma for stealing the real producer's blind. Get em Xpays, if your attorneys think you can win! I think their skin is supposed to be up here soon too. Yeah, right.