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http://www.harvardpilgrim.mimrx.com/...2843202344.JPG Dude you're killin me. :1orglaugh

101 Lost Souls . . .

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Hahaha. I though maybe you wouldn't want to/ wouldn't be able to carry on. It was fun though.

I do love the internet. There's no way I could come off as this smug in the real world without getting a punch in the face from someone who doesn't like having their personal beliefs shot down.

I've got a friend who is a hardcore lefty and he always goes on about how we'd all be better off living under Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez, and when I prove to him that those systems cannot work due to them being anti to human nature, he punches the nearest wall. It's like because he believes in it he wants it to actually change reality, and then throws a wobbly when he realises he not as smart as he thinks.

Last time I checked modern science has yet to explain how the universe was created. Yes, we all believe in the big bang and I do believe that is what created everything we see now. But you explain to me how something came from nothing. Laws of physics right? Cause and effect. Well something had to of caused the big bang, in which something else caused the cause of the bing bang, from which something else created that cause, and so on, for infinity. Your rules of natural law simply prove infinity does exist. There could of never been nothing. Because if there was we wouldn't be here. Something cannot come from nothing. The universe has always existed in some form. By not believing it has existed for infinity you believe some magical thing occured to create something from nothing. Which side of this debate are you really on?

I think you've answered your own question right there.

Don't assume though that just because I know about such things as the non-existence of souls, that I can explain everything about the universe. I know some things but not others.

On the subject of matter appearing out of 'nowhere', this is something which happens with common frequency. It is suspected that the universe has a 'net zero charge'. This means that all of the charges on all of the particles of matter in the universe add up to zero. For example, if you have a hundred positively charged particles and a hundred negatively charged particles and added up their collective charges you would get zero.
Experiments in space have shown that matter can 'pop' into existence and then out of existence spontaneously. For example, an electon may have been detected to have 'popped' into existence within an otherwise emply chamber, which means that somewhere else in the universe a positron must also have 'popped' into existence at the same time, only to disappear at the same time also, assuming that the net zero charge theory is correct and taking into account that experimentation can show that two particles can be 'connected' across huge distance.

All fascinating stuff, but thats when we start getting into quantum mechanics, string theory, etc and GFY is hardly the place for that. You'd be better off visiting an astrophysics forum for those kind of answers.

Ordinary physics is complicated enough, but quantum mechanics really is a journey into the weird.

Everything in this dimension is governed by physical law, not natural law. And since you have no idea what laws may govern other dimensions your argument is moot.

Take some shrooms and ponder 'self must meet self' and the answer will come.

I wanna go home,
Take off this uniform and leave the show,
But I'm waiting here in this cell because I have to know,
Have I been guilty all this time?

No, but Australia's former richest man Kerry Packer who finally died in December last year was after suffering a massive heart attack in 1990.

This is what he told an interviewer about the experience:

8 characters in search of an exit

All we have are theories that will most likely never be proven. Until we're able to prove how all of this came into existance, there will always be that speck of chance that some sort of greater being snapped his fingers, and put into motion the events that caused the bing bang. If that is possible anything is, because it would mean something occured that was not goverened by our laws.

I'm totally in awe of the process of creating an intelligent human being.

Everytime you see a pic of a sperm, you have to think to yourself how the hell does this all work.

http://library.thinkquest.org/C004367/media/sperm.gif

http://www.arn.org/docs/mm/sperm.jpg

There's got to be more going on behind the scenes. I just can't believe myself and everyone else were just the result of little squigglies at one point in time.

:1orglaugh Its got to be deeper than that. How could such unique characters like Sleazy or Juicy have been just little sperms once? This is why I think the soul incarnates into the equation post the moment of birth.

I have been to the ragged edge of death quite a few times, yet I am still alive. Fuck death in its dead ass.

Physical laws, natural laws, tomaytoes, tomartoes.

By natural law I am refering to the unvarying laws which allow the universe to exist and govern all interactions within. The laws which govern 'other dimentions' are uniform across those dimentions within any given universe.

So what you're saying is, because you don't understand the way things are, we must have a soul.

Something wrong with your logic there KRL. :1orglaugh

You misunderstand that the word 'theory' in common language and in science have different meanings.

I can assure you that there is no chance whatsoever that a 'greater being' did that.

Not everything is possible. Come on, that is junior school stuff.

[QUOTE=KRL]I'm totally in awe of the process of creating an intelligent human being.QUOTE]

The process of creating an intelligent human being is really no more amazing than the process of creating a monkey or a coral.

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to fear death is totally inhuman.....
it's within us to embrace it... you just have to reflect on it.

Today, like any other day, is a good day to die.

Duke

There are two things that bother me about death.

1. The possibility it might be painful.
2. I'll be pissed off about all the cool stuff I'll never get to see as the world carries on without me.

Other than that, no problem.

I believe there is something after this life, I just don't know what it is.. I compare this life to just memories stored in our mind like files stored on a hard drive, and believe if you could transfer them to something new then you would come back to the same consciousness in a differant body.. kind of like if you were to put a hard drive from one computer to another, it would be like using the same system, just differant specs on the physical part.

I guess all this programming is getting to me head, to sum it up.. I dont fear death quite as much as I fear getting formatted :(

you're totally forgetting about the egg, we didnt start as squiggly's.. we started out as 2 halfs, part squiggly, part eggy.. females are born with all their eggs already too.. so maybe the soul incarnates from the mothers birth since egg comes first?

Yes there is, yes.

It exists as a concept.


Thank you professor Nerdcraft. You keep talking about what it's like in the "entire universe", "the universe", "everything is the same in the universe".... fact is, what we 100% know about the universe wouldn't fill a thimble compared to what we don't know about the universe.


True openmindedness is also the ability to admit the possibility that someone else's theory or opinion may have merit, and to listen to new ideas other than one's own and be able to change your view. Openmindedness is not uncompromising and stay-the-course narrow. THat is called narrowmindedness, which is apparently what you suffer from.


It is people like you who feel the burning need to be the supreme being in the universe, with all the answers, everything is explainable, everyone else is ridiculous in their beliefs and talk of unknowns etc who are actually out of touch with reality.


Fact is, others have come cocking off on this forum about how it's been proven this and no souls that and you are all ridiculous, everything is explainable etc. You won't be the last.

The other fact is that science is rife with theories, not facts. Big bang, for instance, is a theory, as in unproven. You of course can choose to believe in those theories, which means you have beliefs like the rest of us.

And lastly, saying something over and over and over again doesn't make it true.

"There are no souls"
"There are no souls"
"There are no souls"
"There are no ghosts"
"There is no god"


Any idiot can cockily spew answers on a message board. I notice only the select few actually provide difinitive unequivocal testimony from a reliable source to back themselves up.

Are you really under the impression you are accomplishing anything here? Changing anyone's mind? ha ha.... seems many of you pure science followers suffer from self-delusions.

Last fact: we all need enlightenment, not just everyone else but you dude. I take comfort in the fact that most actual scientists/astronomers I've spoken with or heard speak have all been at least humble enough to admit that there is much to learn about all this, and much of what we say we "know" is in fact theory. Based on sound reasoning and the laws of physics or not, a theory is still just a theory.

Class dismissed. Anyone know if there's any of that green beer left?
Or did the leprechaun drink it....:winkwink:

Krl, you're seriously a moron. Sorry. The most shitty part is you will never realize it. You will die and everything will be gone. You wont even be able to realize you led a totally pathetic life based on nothing. Wait, based on fear, false hope and stupidity. Loser.

You make me sick.

Very nice pics dude;)

Oh ok, let's ignore the fact that science has yet to, and likely will NEVER, explain the creation of the universe. You want me to believe in something that science cannot explain. It is no different than a person believing that God created the universe. It's an unknown that cannot currently be explained. An openminded person would accept this. Instead you put your faith in a belief that your way of creation is right, and everyone elses is wrong. No different than a bible thumping christian with his views of creationism.

You're the spitting definition of closeminded. Not to mention that under your natural laws just about anything IS possible. Natural laws are not a constraint, technology and finite resources are.

You say there can be no God. What is a human to an ant farm? Open your mind man. You assume we're not ants. An ant cannot fathom our world. You assume because we're intelligent and consciously aware that we exist, that there can be nothing greater. There can always be something you cannot fathom. We know this is true for all other creatures of this planet, an ant, a monkey, a fish, they cannot understand their existance.

You can teach a dog to catch a frisbee or rollover on command, but you cannot teach it math or science. A dog will never understand calculus or Einstein's theory of relativity. It's not capable of fathoming these things. Yet you assume there is not something greater that we cannot fathom. That's your belief. And while I may not agree with it, I am open to it and understand it may or may not be true. This is called openmindness. You on the other hand are very closeminded.

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Hey can I just say something?

Dudes - we wont solve it here on Gofuckyourself.com. Im sorry but we wont solve it.

Its just too big. (and we all know it dont we) :)

But one thing is for sure - lets not get mad at each other over it?

Cos when you know you cannot solve it - then you realise theres no point in hating over it?

Does that make sense?

We cant solve it so lets stay mates and such?

:)

Franck

- noone knows tha answer man - so WTF? Dont feel like "you make me sick" etc.

At the end of the day - no man on this fucking planet knows the answer better than the man standing next to him - or the scientist round the other side of the globe.

And thats A FACT :)

Im not saying lets stop trying to search for the answers - but to be honest not one person here (and that includes me) really has a clue about space and time and the cosmos.

Given that no stupid fucked up man on this planet with the biggest egghead of all time hasn't got the "absolute finite" answer - I doubt us porn peddlers have it.

Weve all seen close ones DIE - let them rest - we will be with them soon enough.

(sometimes I think they are lucky bastards cos they beat me to it).
:)

Ofcourse but stuff like what krl comes up with is fucking simple and explainable. its totally motivated out of what he likes it to be. At least i look at it in a realistic way. Krl's vision on this is simple pathetic and once again based on fear and empty hope.

vvg.

May I please say that you have the correct mind.

I truly think that you - and you alone in these threads have it correct.

I would like to think that humans know quite a lot.

In reality - beyond this little shitball called earth - we actually know next to nothing.

Absolutely next to nothing.

We are so weak we cant even go to our nearest planet.

With this in mind - should we really be considering what happens after death?

Can you dudes just think about that last one I just made?

Cheers
MrChips.

Franck - knock knock man.

(btw I dont do drugs or anything like that)..

KRL knows nothing - you know nothing - and I know nothing.

Hey - can I (without trying to belittle you or whatever) just say this - me you and krl are just so fucking small in the cosmos that its totally ridiculous to even think we are near to sussing it?

We arent even grains of sand on a seashore - we are nothing - absolutely and totally NOTHING.

To even think we can comprehend the meaning of life and death is plain silly - it is childish.

To get mad over it is even worse.

I would like to propose that the universe will cool off and all life will die eventually.

But then again - it may not.

:)

Enjoy it whilst you are here - and the things you KNOW ABSOLUTELY AND TOTALLY FUCK ALL ABOUT will sort out the rest.

hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Im thinking of going to see my father-in-laws ashes on the lawn soon - aparently they rise after rainfall.

I have a lot of respect for my father-in-law - I hope hes at rest and at peace.

That maybe "nothing" - or it may be something else.

One things for sure - WE WONT FUCKING KNOW.

:)
MrChips.
Chill

I offer an open challenge to any person here who can make a claim which states they KNOW what happens.

If you do - then please enlighten.
If you dont - then well - join the rest of the universe.

No bastard knows about fuck all out there - stick with the porn and enjoy the trappings - the rest will come - like it or not - it will come.

:)

Dont you people from Bangladesh get reincarnated or something?

CDsmith
"fact is, what we 100% know about the universe wouldn't fill a thimble compared to what we don't know about the universe."

LOL - a thimble CDsmith??? - you are kidding me - we stupid fucking humans know so little that we couldnt fill one hundredth trillion billionth of 1 micron of 1 thimble with what we know.

We know about our universe about as much as my fucking pet rabbits know about their fucking hutches.

:)

I would like this thread to end.

Its all fuckin wrong.

Dont post anymore here - try and resist - I want to show you all a photo that I need to take and post.

Then post again on this topic.

I think - as a fellow chemical reaction on the rock we call earth - you guys may well like my pics.

Quit the griping tho dudes - its not ness.

Night all.

Sleep tight and don't let the bugs bite?

Pleasssse don't get at each other over this - not one of us is correct - not one of us knows the answers.

All of us know the above to be true.

The ones who dont - well those c un ts cause war.

Fucking hell some of you people are dense...

Yes, we know very little, and there is a lot we don't know. Therefore, we need to stay away from idiotic speculation, and stick with those things we can be fairly certain about. In other words, we need to use a minimalist thesis.

The minimalist thesis, right now, is pure materialism. Everything we have right now that we can be fairly certain of is physics. Clearly, if there are things we don't understand yet, they are infinitely more likely to be the result of ill-understood parts of physics (or a meta thereof, like chemistry, biology, etc) than of a completely speculated theory with no roots in empirical data and experiments.

KRL, has it occurred to you that it is extremely ridiculous to say "there are things we don't understand", and then follow that up with a completely made up list of planes of being and such? If you think there are things we don't understand, then fine, we don't understand them yet. The end. (at least for now)

People talking about souls, astral planes, the essence of life etc. are little better than the people who believe they will appease the gods by giving money to cult leaders. "Hey, we don't know everything yet, so everything is as valid as everything else!" Bloody hell, how stupid can you be?


Oh, and as for death, death is not scary because of what comes after it, but because of what it actually is: a limitation of life. Death is never experiencing life as a Japanese doctor in the 30th century, never being a Russian high school kid, never seeing all movies ever made, never leading a life in which you are a philosopher, a doctor, a physicist, a programmer, a gigolo, a judge, a professional athlete, an astronaut AND president. Death is a radical limitation on the possibilities of life, and the certainty that there are millions of great things you will never experience. Now that's scary :2 cents:

Did anyone ever see that movie flatliners.

Bingo.

:thumbsup

I was thinking thimble as compared to the actual size of the universe. It doesn't really matter what item I used, it could have been the head of pin or a micro-zit on the assend of an atom.

It really doesn't matter.


You are sweating the details man. Details. The gist of the point I was making was clear nonetheless.

Cheers.

There is no reason whatsoever for us to think that there is a 'soul'.

Thankyou for agreeing with me.

Observation has shown that natural law is unvarying across the universe. The laws which govern particles, enery and time on this planet are exactly the same as those across the other side of the universe.

In which case I am open minded.

Which is what I'm able to do.

It's already been established that souls do not exist. It is not narrowminded to state that. It's already been covered.

What ARE you talking about you bloody idiot. Not once have I said in this thread that I consider myself a 'supreme being', lol.

I've not stated that I have all the answers or that everythign is explainable. You simply pulled that out of your ass to make yourself look stupid. You're getting very upset.

I should hope not.

You misunderstand that the word 'theory' means something different in science. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory

A scientific theory may also correspond with a fact. For example, there is a theory of evolution and a fact of evolution, a theory of gravity and a fact of gravity.

Since when has it been the case that repeating somethign makes it true.

I'm glad we can agree on that.


How is it possible to back myself up with proof that souls don't exist. It's up to those in teh affirmative to prove their case, not the other way around.

It seems that this thread has run to three pages. It would seem to have accomplished quite alot of interest.

See above.

No.

You really need to explain what you mean by 'greater being'. If you're talking about some kind of entity which is like Allah or Jehovah or which can think, then there is no chance whatsoever that they created creation, for those type of 'greater beings' do not exist.


We've already covered this and we have discovered that I'm not.

Incorrect.

Natural laws are constant throughout the universe. For example, the charge on an electron here on earth is the same as on an electron on some other planet 13 billion light years away. E=MC2 applies here just as it applies on Alpha Centauri.



I didn't say there cannot be a god. There can only not be an Allah-type god.

Ant farms are not able to apply a definition to what a human is.

It's more open than yours. That's obvious.

I think it would be safe for anyone to assume that we are not ants, because we are not ants.

I never said there could be nothing greater. There can simply be nothing like Allah or Jehovah.

And this has relevance to....?

but we humans have already proved that we can 'fathom' these things.

Not it's not. My, or anyone elses, beliefs are neither here nor there. Facts exist outside of the realm of beliefs.

Incorrect. It has already been established that no-one has proven that souls exist, so those 'in the know' have already acknowledged that and moved on to other things. It not like, whenever someone brings up the topic of souls, the possibility of their existing again magically opens up and everyone has to open their minds once again to mull it over.

Is everyone who doesn't believe in Christianity closed minded? Of course not. So why is there a special rule for you which says that people who do not believe in souls are closed minded.

If you can bring some kind of definitive proof that souls exist then great, we can mull it over, but since nobody has been able even to do that (even though a whole bunch of people seem to have cause to believe in them), then what we'll do is to discard the concept of their existing.

Apart from anyone who has got a clue. GFY has around 30,000 members does it not? Can you be sure, even ignoring the content of the thread so far, that none of those people 'have a clue'?

You have a dim view of the intelligence of porn peddlers.

They are not resting - they are dead. We can never be 'with them' ever again, unless you mean that we're going to be buried in the same place as them.

Cool.

I thought that KRL was joking. He was just playing a game. I thought you were too, lol.

I will say this though; for a 'whiny bitch', as you are called on this forum, you've got a good brain in your head, for what that's worth.

:thumbsup

Me, you and Franck.