WTF is going on with Epassporte and Sponsors?

[Splum]

Today it looks like Rookiebabe now requires a GOVERNMENT ISSUED ID for recieving funds via epassporte. They claim it is for FRAUD protection? What the hell is this shit about? First it was ARS doing it now Rookiebabe, whos next? Tell me how on fucking earth can you commit fraud by recieving affiliate funds via epassporte? Epassporte care to comment? Sponsors care to comment? Not only do I have to give you sponsors my social security number and my other personal information now you want my ID so you can keep a copy too? How can I trust YOU with ALL of that? Do you see where I am going with this? It makes no sense to require a picture ID for using epassporte as a payment option, and dont give me that shit that US laws require it because epassporte is not a US company.

[BoyAlley]

Angry and bitter. Kind of thexy.

Here's a better question: What the hell kind of idiot would possibly want to be paid out via Epassporte anyway?

People hear nothing but horror stories all the time, yet they keep on. Soon we'll hear all you idiots bitching left and right when you end up losing money because of their half assed operation.

[Michael O]

Originally Posted by Splum

Today it looks like Rookiebabe now requires a GOVERNMENT ISSUED ID for recieving funds via epassporte. They claim it is for FRAUD protection? What the hell is this shit about? First it was ARS doing it now Rookiebabe, whos next? Tell me how on fucking earth can you commit fraud by recieving affiliate funds via epassporte? Epassporte care to comment? Sponsors care to comment? Not only do I have to give you sponsors my social security number and my other personal information now you want my ID so you can keep a copy too? How can I trust YOU with ALL of that? Do you see where I am going with this? It makes no sense to require a picture ID for using epassporte as a payment option, and dont give me that shit that US laws require it because epassporte is not a US company.

My understanding is that atleast ARS is doing it because scammers sends a lot of fraudulent signups then get paid via ePassporte and empty their account before the chargebacks start rolling in.
ARS stated that you can block out any sensitive information in the docs you email to them.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Splum

and dont give me that shit that US laws require it because epassporte is not a US company.

Well umm I know as a US company myself that I still have to obey US law even if I am using a foriegn company to do part of my business. My business is here, I am here, does not matter where I send the money.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Angry and bitter. Kind of thexy.

Here's a better question: What the hell kind of idiot would possibly want to be paid out via Epassporte anyway?

People hear nothing but horror stories all the time, yet they keep on. Soon we'll hear all you idiots bitching left and right when you end up losing money because of their half assed operation.

STFU faggot, I was goign to be nice to your reply till I noticed you grouped me as an idiot. I have a gripe here if you want to bash epassporte do it in another thread.

[BoyAlley]

Originally Posted by Splum

STFU faggot, I was goign to be nice to your reply till I noticed you grouped me as an idiot.

Stupid is as stupid does.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Well umm I know as a US company myself that I still have to obey US law even if I am using a foriegn company to do part of my business. My business is here, I am here, does not matter where I send the money.

So you aer saying as a company US law requires you to keep a copy of my photo ID to do business with me?

[pr0]

The answer is quite simple, use another sponsor.

BoyAlley, theres nothing wrong with epassporte...the horror stories usually involve complex transactions & don't bother the typical webmaster.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

My understanding is that atleast ARS is doing it because scammers sends a lot of fraudulent signups then get paid via ePassporte and empty their account before the chargebacks start rolling in.
ARS stated that you can block out any sensitive information in the docs you email to them.

So how does having a photo ID stop fraud? Already have these fuckers SELL OUR PERSONAL information when they go out of business or need a quick buck. Now I am not against that policy if it is stated from the get go, but to change it because a few fraudsters out there?

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Splum

So you aer saying as a company US law requires you to keep a copy of my photo ID to do business with me?

Nope not saying that. Just was talking about a portion of your comment.

Though I will say that having a copy of an affiliates ID would make me feel better. Reason being is that lets say an affiliate is under the age of eighteen. Well then that affiliate could not enter into a legally binding contract and I thus could get very fucked. Such an affiliate would not be bound by my TOS or anything else really and could back out of any agreement at moments notice. Not to mention it would not look to damn kosher if I filed my tax information and for some reason the people I list monies paid out to was cross referenced and someone noticed that I being an adult company was paying a minor, well I would rather that not happen.

[Splum]

Well whatever ARS and Rookiebabe lost my traffic, granted they probably dont need it but I dont like to be fucking ass raped whenever some russian kiddie decides to scam one of you sponsors, its not my fault dont take that shit out on me.

[SmokeyTheBear]

i would be very afraid of giving your documents to a company whos employees may work in non-usa countries.. or vice-verca

You could find your face on some terrorists passport. Even if the company involved was completely legit. It doesnt mean they dont hire an iranian programmer who has access to your social security number address and photo.. sound like a dangerous cocktail of identity fraud just waiting to happen.

[Michael O]

Originally Posted by Splum

So how does having a photo ID stop fraud? Already have these fuckers SELL OUR PERSONAL information when they go out of business or need a quick buck. Now I am not against that policy if it is stated from the get go, but to change it because a few fraudsters out there?

The information I have is from reading the threads about ARS, I have no "inside" information about this.

I beleive in ARS's case its to confirm you really are who you claim to be.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i would be very afraid of giving your documents to a company whos employees may work in non-usa countries.. or vice-verca

You could find your face on some terrorists passport. Even if the company involved was completely legit. It doesnt mean they dont hire an iranian programmer who has access to your social security number address and photo.. sound like a dangerous cocktail of identity fraud just waiting to happen.

We already give most of these sponsors(large and small alike) alot of information as it is, this should be enough. Maybe they need to take a look at their fraud an chargeback policies a bit deeper and not punish CURRENT affiliates who have been trustworthy and have a good track record.

Way too dangerous to start faxing a copy of my fucking ID all over the planet fuck that.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

The information I have is from reading the threads about ARS, I have no "inside" information about this.

I beleive in ARS's case its to confirm you really are who you claim to be.

Even for LONGTIME CURRENT AFFILIATES? Makes no sense that they want to NOW confirm who I am, they had no problem taking my fucking traffic before.

[Mickey_]

Originally Posted by pr0

The answer is quite simple, use another sponsor.

BoyAlley, theres nothing wrong with epassporte...the horror stories usually involve complex transactions & don't bother the typical webmaster.

I'd have to agree on a personal and a corporate level as well.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i would be very afraid of giving your documents to a company whos employees may work in non-usa countries.. or vice-verca

As a matter of course no company or their employees get any of our any photo ID's, corp docs, private docs or any other shit which is none of their business in the first instance.

A few have asked and they were told the facts of life that US law was not a law applicable in dealing and they simply accepted that without data being provided. Hell.. even our lawyers and bankers can end up in a jailcell for providing this info - why should we over-rule em and offer this on a voluntary basis?

[Michael O]

Originally Posted by Splum

Even for LONGTIME CURRENT AFFILIATES? Makes no sense that they want to NOW confirm who I am, they had no problem taking my fucking traffic before.

I have no idea.
Just referring what I read on another board.
Try contacting them about it.

[circlekhabib]

the horror stories usually involve complex transactions & don't bother the typical webmaster

yep complex like opening an account
adding to an account
transferring to an account
transferring out of an account
yep complex indeed

[Major (Tom)]

im sure when you start e passporting money over seas you get flagged by banks and the nsa. I would fuc*ing bet on it.

DUke

[Splum]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

im sure when you start e passporting money over seas you get flagged by banks and the nsa. I would fuc*ing bet on it.

DUke

So does that mean you would require my PHOTO ID for your program if I chose to be paid via epassporte?

[nofx]

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=583597

only thing going on with epassporte is their shadiness, greed, and poor customer support.

[d00t]

If you are a legit webmaster with moral business practices then providing additional information should not be any real problem so long as the company you are providing the information to has it written into their privacy policy how your information will be handled and destroyed.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by d00t

If you are a legit webmaster with moral business practices then providing additional information should not be any real problem so long as the company you are providing the information to has it written into their privacy policy how your information will be handled and destroyed.

Dude give me a break, many of these "sponsors" arent even real businesses most are run by single people with little or no corporate structure. Do you want my first born child too? Give me a break there has to be a limit on what sponsors are going to have to accept, providing the initial information and accepting or denying the affiliate based on that information is acceptable practice but when you start punishing ALL AFFILIATES IN A BLANKET POLICY because of a few scammers well that is a shitty practice. Oh and privacy policies lol dude do you even fucking read any of these sponsors policies? MANY DO AND WILL SELL YOUR INFORMATION WHETHER IT BE YOUR EMAIL OR OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by d00t

If you are a legit webmaster with moral business practices then providing additional information should not be any real problem so long as the company you are providing the information to has it written into their privacy policy how your information will be handled and destroyed.

So PimpinPays is going to punish current affiliates if some russian kiddie scams you? Nice to know.

[Series]

Agreed Splum.

[Theo]

Originally Posted by Splum

Dude give me a break, many of these "sponsors" arent even real businesses most are run by single people with little or no corporate structure. Do you want my first born child too? Give me a break there has to be a limit on what sponsors are going to have to accept, providing the initial information and accepting or denying the affiliate based on that information is acceptable practice but when you start punishing ALL AFFILIATES IN A BLANKET POLICY because of a few scammers well that is a shitty practice. Oh and privacy policies lol dude do you even fucking read any of these sponsors policies? MANY DO AND WILL SELL YOUR INFORMATION WHETHER IT BE YOUR EMAIL OR OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION.

some yes, but why send them any traffic first place? We are about to add epassporte as payment option and for now we dont have any plans to require any verification papers/IDs. I'm almost confident we can filter fraud ourselves in a degree it won't be an issue. Time will tell.

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by Splum

So does that mean you would require my PHOTO ID for your program if I chose to be paid via epassporte?

No we do not require it at this time.
But if counsel advises me to do so, I will have no other choice.

Duke

[RogerV]

Originally Posted by Splum

Dude give me a break, many of these "sponsors" arent even real businesses most are run by single people with little or no corporate structure. Do you want my first born child too? Give me a break there has to be a limit on what sponsors are going to have to accept, providing the initial information and accepting or denying the affiliate based on that information is acceptable practice but when you start punishing ALL AFFILIATES IN A BLANKET POLICY because of a few scammers well that is a shitty practice. Oh and privacy policies lol dude do you even fucking read any of these sponsors policies? MANY DO AND WILL SELL YOUR INFORMATION WHETHER IT BE YOUR EMAIL OR OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION.

one reason why I always say if you cant pick up the phone and call a company you should be careful.. send us good sales and we wil pay via epass no prob

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Here's a better question: What the hell kind of idiot would possibly want to be paid out via Epassporte anyway?

I get my PIMPROLL payouts that way and the reason is simple. It takes 2 weeks for me to get a check after they are sent out. So we are talking nearly 3 weeks after the end of pay period. Also my bank is 20 miles away. Cheaper to withdraw money from epassporte and send it to my bank than it is to drive.

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by d00t

... has it written into their privacy policy how your information will be handled and destroyed.

I'd wonder how closely a company facing bankruptcy or otherwise in need of quick cash would follow the privacy policy for the benefit of webmasters who are no longer of any use to them at the time.

This is NOT a slight to RookieBabe at all, they have been nothing but a class act IMO; I doubt very much they'd ever resort to tactics like I've described above however who knows what some others might do.

[d00t]

Originally Posted by Splum

So PimpinPays is going to punish current affiliates if some russian kiddie scams you? Nice to know.

Way to jump to conclusions dude.

Obviously these programs have weighted up their options and made the most benefical change for their program. If asking for ID is their move - great.

Theres no shortage of sponsors out there. ARS is by no means the only one.
Checkout trafficcash or silvercash .. they have a similar setup you may enjoy without requiring to submit ID.

[d00t]

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

I'd wonder how closely a company facing bankruptcy or otherwise in need of quick cash would follow the privacy policy for the benefit of webmasters who are no longer of any use to them at the time.

that's majorly illegal dude. It's called corporate responsbility. There are too many factors involved, especially those that change when your company faces bankrupcy ...

[darksoul]

How about this,
I'll mail them docs and copy of my id as long as they do the same
about their corp docs ?

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by d00t

that's majorly illegal dude. It's called corporate responsbility. There are too many factors involved, especially those that change when your company faces bankrupcy ...

whether it's illegal or not is irrelevant to whether some company could/would do it to you - my point is why put yourself in a position to be fucked with like that

[jayeff]

How many of us get spam to email addresses we have only given out to sponsors? Ever stop to wonder why some non-US based sponsors ask for SSN numbers? Etc. There are good reasons to have real concerns about entrusting sponsors with the personal information they already require, certainly sufficient to hesitate before providing them more.

If I ran ePassporte this trend is one I would want to stop if I possibly could, because to many people the "convenience" of ePassporte is already marginal. I have a suspicion, if only because it is my own reaction, a lot will think harder about whether they really need that service, if they have to jump through any more hoops to use it.

I also resent the way the sponsors wanting this are demanding it from everyone, regardless of factors such as how long someone has been an affiliate. They can't be bothered to filter us out, so we get an extra job (albeit simple enough) to do. I have also seen two sponsors named that I wouldn't have known had instituted this requirement had it not been for this thread. That reminds me of sponsors who suddenly require W9's, but instead of mailing their affiliates, tuck a notice away on their sites somewhere...

[Antonio]

lol, this has nothing to do with epassporte IMO, the sponsor are simply collecting info that they can make few bucks selling

Think about it, how difficult can it be to fax a fake ID, or driver's licence or whatever else they require, my guess is this is exactly how the scammers got their epassporte accounts on the first place

[okdesign]

this sucks
Why they don't send first payment via check to verify address?

[HairToStay]

Did you talk to anyone at ARS? Long time webmasters are being taken care of if you call them and talk to them about your account.

[Lee]

I must confess I would rather to back to receiving cheques than give out my id to all and sundry.

[NoCarrier]

Just stop whining and change it to "Checks".

[Splum]

*bump for the rookiebabe and ARS reps to weigh in on this

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Antonio

lol, this has nothing to do with epassporte IMO, the sponsor are simply collecting info that they can make few bucks selling

Think about it, how difficult can it be to fax a fake ID, or driver's licence or whatever else they require, my guess is this is exactly how the scammers got their epassporte accounts on the first place

this is the first thing i brought up..

They have no legal way to verify your documents , so in reality all this does is create a burden to legit webmasters.. any fraudster is just going to make up fake shit..

So theres 1 of 2 reasons this is being done..

#1 so they can sell your info
or
#2 someone is an idiot who thought this decision up.

[SmokeyTheBear]

i would like any sponsor who is asking for i.d. to explain this to me..

How can you possibly verify people's identification ? and furthermore how will this help fraud in any way. ?

[SmokeyTheBear]

ok captain kirk is all cleared for epassporte payments

[gecko]

Yea it sucks, and I never feel comfortable sending personal info to every sponsor who requires it.

[Series]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

ok captain kirk is all cleared for epassporte payments

[jayeff]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i would like any sponsor who is asking for i.d. to explain this to me..

How can you possibly verify people's identification ? and furthermore how will this help fraud in any way. ?

Don't hold your breathe waiting for an answer. The first one who did it, likely had a brain fart, didn't think it through but now will defend the idea at all costs. The rest are just working on the assumption that if so-and-so does it, it must be a good thing...

[Splum]

Originally Posted by jayeff

Don't hold your breathe waiting for an answer. The first one who did it, likely had a brain fart, didn't think it through but now will defend the idea at all costs. The rest are just working on the assumption that if so-and-so does it, it must be a good thing...

And this is exactly what I am worried about in this industry, this is the dumbest idea ever. Makes no difference if you are paid via epassporte, check or wire. No difference at all, sounds fishy to me and I would be wary of any sponsor that requires this.

[SmokeyTheBear]

sharkyfarts, err i mean hasif is also all clear to go