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Old 08-24-2001, 12:08 PM   #1
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Pornno.com for sale as well??

I heard a rumour that now JJJ is offering his for sale as well??
Anyone can verify this?
I hope this isn't getting a habit, I finally knew who all those big guys were..
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Old 08-24-2001, 12:15 PM   #2
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Seems like Hun is getting rid of his pocket money, hu ?

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Old 08-24-2001, 12:16 PM   #3
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just rumour,2 days ago jjj said that he's interested starting a tgp2, but he won't mess with pornno.com, it will stay as it. But I heard that http://mrsbulldog.com/ is sold in an international marketing company....
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Old 08-24-2001, 12:18 PM   #4
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Soul, stop making fun of the dumb Chihuahua or he'll have a mental breakdown.
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Old 08-24-2001, 12:34 PM   #5
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Yes, I would sell it at the right price.

Reason to sell would be strictly personal, JJJ's has never done as good as it is right now.


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Old 08-24-2001, 12:40 PM   #6
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Old 08-24-2001, 12:52 PM   #7
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Uhhh... Wizzo is gonna end up buying JJJ !!!
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Old 08-24-2001, 01:07 PM   #8
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"http://mrsbulldog.com/ is sold in an international marketing company...."

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Old 08-24-2001, 01:15 PM   #9
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I wonder if the bank would give me a buisness loan to buy JJJ's???

It'd sure be fun to try!!
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Old 08-24-2001, 01:16 PM   #10
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Man. Was this just an attempt to give me a heart attack? Just sell your faithful workers as part of the package..ok? *flutters eyelashes*
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Old 08-24-2001, 01:18 PM   #11
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hey jjj
hit me up on icq 12725174 for a reasonable offer
im not sure how much is your reasonable offer means

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Old 08-24-2001, 01:33 PM   #12
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i'll say something that i've said to many webmasters in the past during discussions. I personally believe pornno.com brings more $$ than worldsex.com although it has 600k traffic less according to sextracker. I consider it as the ideal tgp structure to lead surfers to ads and probably buy unlike worldsex. I know sites that make same amount of money with sites that have 3 times more traffic.
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Old 08-24-2001, 05:32 PM   #13
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I agree with SoulRebel.

JJJ's TGP is much more sale oriented, worldsex is a pretty messy site, designwise.

Just my 2 cents.

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Old 08-24-2001, 05:35 PM   #14
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who will buy pornno.com ? for usa $250-500k
i think thats the price ill give for jjj.

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Old 08-24-2001, 06:01 PM   #15
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JJJ, I'am on my last night of 2 week vacation at the beach with Amy and the kids. I'am going to give you a call when I get back...

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im guessing 500k would be reasonable...
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Old 08-24-2001, 07:30 PM   #17
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500k?!?!?!?!?

So you would have to make over $1000 a day!!!
With a good play that is 25 sign ups a day, with a ratio of 1:300 that means you would have to get 7500 clicks a day! Assuming you get one out of every 1000 people to click on your banner you would have to get 7,500,000 UNIQUES a day to get your money back in one year!

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Old 08-24-2001, 07:36 PM   #18
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500k?!?!?!?!?

So you would have to make over $1000 a day!!!
With a good play that is 25 sign ups a day, with a ratio of 1:300 that means you would have to get 7500 clicks a day! Assuming you get one out of every 1000 people to click on your banner you would have to get 7,500,000 UNIQUES a day to get your money back in one year!

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If you would pay $500,000 USD for a tgp you are totally fucked up!

assuming that you send 1 out of 1000 surfers to your ads you're in wrong business
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Old 08-24-2001, 07:36 PM   #19
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get your calculator out and calculate
1000$ per day= 365 days in 1 year so thats = 365K per YEAR !!!
so for 2 years gonna be 730k per 2 year
and you only paid 500k for JJJ.


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Old 08-24-2001, 07:39 PM   #20
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Read my post again!!

There is not enough traffic to make that much!!!

TGP surfers go for the galleries not banners!

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Old 08-24-2001, 07:43 PM   #21
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from the 1st and 2nd page of pornno.com where ads exist i suppose that a big amount of money earned everyday due to SE traffic.

And a friendly notice to JJJ:

pornno.com is an internet property and it's hard to be valued with on the fly estimations etc etc. I advise you to seek a big company that handles such issues to do the sale for you. At the end,even if they get 10% or something I'm sure you'll be the winner. At this point of time, big non-adult companies as far as I have heard looking to enter adult industry. By handling it alone you'll probably lose such case. I hope I helped.
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Old 08-24-2001, 07:44 PM   #22
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that's why all the top listings belongs to you (jjj does it) or you sell them.
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Old 08-24-2001, 07:45 PM   #23
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Good point Soul.

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Old 08-24-2001, 07:47 PM   #24
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hhmmmm.
did u ever checked the counter of JJJ ? hell no
with his 1 million uniqes per day i think he can make 600-1000$ per day.
maybe you should check jjj and see how many sponsers and gallery's does he have. so lets say he got maxcash,adultwebmasteravenue and erasercash and other sponsers which pay him 1000$ per month to display there banner on his site.and include his dialer too which rips people off with 5$ per minute.
so do you think he makes shit money ? HELL NO
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hhmmmm.
did u ever checked the counter of JJJ ? hell no
with his 1 million uniqes per day i think he can make 600-1000$ per day.
maybe you should check jjj and see how many sponsers and gallery's does he have. so lets say he got maxcash,adultwebmasteravenue and erasercash and other sponsers which pay him 1000$ per month to display there banner on his site.and include his dialer too which rips people off with 5$ per minute.
so do you think he makes shit money ? HELL NO
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Old 08-24-2001, 07:48 PM   #26
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I thought I read where JJJ made about 13 sales on Erasercash his first day promoting it. So that's $390 right there. Add in all the money from his other sponsors and he likely does make well over $1k per day.

I would not be surprised if his tgp were to sell for a hefty price in light of that. I'm sure he'd reveal his income to whomever is serious about buying it from him. I wish I could muster up that kind of loot, I'd consider it, and no, I wouldn't be stupid for doing so.
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Old 08-24-2001, 08:03 PM   #27
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and who tells you that next year with the increase of internet surfers,it won't have 50% more traffic? Personally I would go for a mainstream opportunity above 1million for sure and let them cut their head after that
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"with his 1 million uniqes per day "

What ARE YOU ON??

He gets that many HITS not uniques!! We are not talking about thehun!

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Old 08-24-2001, 08:13 PM   #29
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check his counter
907,454
3,438,494

so you are another newbie who dont know anything
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Mainstream investors pay MILLIONS for shitty sites with NO income. Some with small traffic. Why not pay $300k, $500k or $800k or (insert your value here) for a site with good income ?

BAH !

About you guys talking about hits / uniques. It doesn't matter. If with less hits you can make the same money, you'll save with bandwidth and stuff. And you'll be know as a good marketing guy

I just need 1 unique visitor. The visitor buys a $10 million house, I make 5%.

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Assuming you get one out of every 1000 people to click on your banner you would have to get 7,500,000 UNIQUES a day to get your money back in one year!
If you buy a Pizza Hut you usually pay alot more than you make back in a year. Or real estate. If you bought it couldn't you keep it for 3 years?

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this is true if you buy a biz in the real world it could be many years before you start making your money back but lets not forget that in the internet world 1 year is like 3-4 in a regular biz. Just look how much on the internet has changed in the last year. A year ago there were sill tons of internet companies going public and making big bank. Now most of them have gone out of business. For all we know this time next year the bush admin. will have passed a law not allowing any porn without a AVS of some kind which would greatly effect the amount of traffic big tgp's get and for thier thier traffic is thier $$
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You guys 'n gals are all overlooking the fact that those sales are not all profit.

There is webspace to be paid for and bandwidth that is burned to pay for.

Do the math with that and it will look a lot less rosy.

This tendency of TGP's selling is something I saw comming for a long time.

Running a large sized TGP is not half as profictable as you think if you are not a marketing whizz.

I'm not saying JJJ doesn't make good money with it

But not half as much as he could.

And that goes for 99% of all TGP's out there.

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Shit wolf, i guess i should hire you to run my site, you sound like you could make me much more.

Btw, I make alot more than 1k a day, alot more. Most people have no clue what a high traffic tgp makes, since there are only a handful of really big ones.

After the years it took for me to build JJJ's to what it is now, I would not sell it for a million, that I would consider a low ball price. That amount could be made back in a short time

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Well, I am not a big guy, I've been in the game for only couple of months. But from my experience I can tell you that the banners you see on most of the big TGPs are just a microspopic fragmant of their income. Banners are there just for pocket change. TGPs make their money elsewhere.

You will never know how big TGPs make their cash until you own one.

Mine is not big, it's decent. You can check it out (view my profile) and you will see that I have NO banners, simply because that's not where the revenue comes from.

In conclusion, JJJ's banner spots are for laughs and pocket change for icecream. So stop counting ratios and signups , because it has nothing to do with his daily income from that site.

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Cant be worth that much, the net could breakdown tommrow, leaving the sites value at 0
Aside from the fact that this thread is from last August, talking about the net breaking down is rather funny.
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in reality, a site (or any business) is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

personally speaking, if the value of a site was based on traffic, my site wouldnt be worth much at all. if it was based on income, i could probly get 6 figures for it very easily.

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Lensman (the man) said once that a sites SALE value is what it makes in 2 or 3 months.
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Aside from the fact that this thread is from last August, talking about the net breaking down is rather funny.
haha... i just noticed that after i posted.

*feels stupid*

petr, why did u drag this thread out again?
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500k?!?!?!?!?

So you would have to make over $1000 a day!!!
With a good play that is 25 sign ups a day, with a ratio of 1:300 that means you would have to get 7500 clicks a day! Assuming you get one out of every 1000 people to click on your banner you would have to get 7,500,000 UNIQUES a day to get your money back in one year!

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If you buy a Pizza Hut you usually pay alot more than you make back in a year. Or real estate. If you bought it couldn't you keep it for 3 years?

Pizza hut-type businesses are much more predictable. Thus the expected rate of return is considerably lower.
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Lensman (the man) said once that a sites SALE value is what it makes in 2 or 3 months.
And this is in sharp contrast to mainstream businesses like a pizza place or convenience store, etc where the sale value is usually what it makes in 2 or 3 years.

Actually, more like 3 to 5 years

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btw, even though this thread is old....

Anyone only getting 1 surfer in 1000 to click their banner should just quit. No amount of traffic is going to save you.
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"in reality, a site (or any business) is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. "

Someone finally said it LOL - You could sel it for $1 or $5million - depending on how good of a closer you are

"Lensman (the man) said once that a sites SALE value is what it makes in 2 or 3 months."

In the "real world" a business can usually be sold for 10 x annual PROFIT

and as far as bandwidth goes - I count about 325k total for main1.html... x 610,000 visitors = 198gb/day @ say $0.60/gb = $118/day LOL that is peanuts...

say $2000/day in profit (I'm sure it's higher) = $730,000/year

So if you say 1 year on the net equals 3-4 real years then instead of 10x yearly revenue you would say 3x yearly revenue = $2,100,000


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The only problem with buying the site is that the future of TGPS is indefinate.

Mr. Bush could pass new laws making tgps not able to operate anymore and be illegal.

Who knows.....
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what the hell, ill pay 5$ for that site
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The only problem with buying the site is that the future of TGPS is indefinate.

Mr. Bush could pass new laws making tgps not able to operate anymore and be illegal.

Who knows.....

Dude, you're from Canada and you care what the american president does about porn laws?

Here is a tip:

If the US makes TGPs illegal, move your hosting to Canada. Problem solved.
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Old 04-29-2002, 01:18 AM   #50
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Originally posted by Royaltee_Gee
The only problem with buying the site is that the future of TGPS is indefinate.

Mr. Bush could pass new laws making tgps not able to operate anymore and be illegal.

Who knows.....
Gotta admit I always find these comments funny. Maybe there's a few around who'd be shocked to find that there's a huge great big world outside of the US that doesn't have to obey US law. Strange to some I know but true nevertheless. If'd be a major PITA in the short term to move everything but in the long tewrm it'd make little difference
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