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03-07-2006, 12:32 AM

i am a member on a gun forum board where one of the members was involved in a shootout.

this happened in ohio.

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the guy who shot back was an NRA firearms instructor.

he said that the perp raise his gun towards him when he seen the NRA guy start to draw down on him, thats when he fired at the robber.

the video makes it look like the baby is closer to the muzzle of the weapon than the baby actually was. the baby was 3 feet or more to the right of the good guys gun.

the robber was hit with all 3 rounds fired. he lived & got 7 years.

the NRA instructor was found innocent.

crackhead boy will think twice before robbing his next victim.

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03-07-2006, 12:38 AM

3 shots in the back. nice

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03-07-2006, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by bringer

3 shots in the back. nice

fuck him... thats what he gets.... the cops & the judge agreed too :

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03-07-2006, 12:43 AM

Nice to see the guy didn't let the fact a child was in the room ruin the moment every gun nut dreams about.

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03-07-2006, 12:47 AM

the monday morning quarterbacks are in effect

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03-07-2006, 12:50 AM

He's lucky that the baby did not suffer blown ear drums and that the mother of the infant is not suing the shit out of him for it..

Could have been alot worse.. He did come pretty damn close to her with his gun blazing though, even if it was 3 feet..

Also, I would not be that proud of shooting someone like that, your board buddy has some issues

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03-07-2006, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by escorpio

Nice to see the guy didn't let the fact a child was in the room ruin the moment every gun nut dreams about.

yup, that child might have ended up motherless had that guy not been there. we dont know if he was planning on doing more than just robbing the place... the child was 3 feet or more out of the way from the line of fire. the good guy is an NRA instructor...

and apparently, the judge, & the cops all felt he was hustified... no charges...

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03-07-2006, 12:53 AM

jesus , fuck , shot him to the back 3 times ... NRA instructor hahahahha
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03-07-2006, 12:54 AM

lmao... i just love how some people are so willing to trust the judgement of a violent criminal with a gun.... flame all you want... ;)

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03-07-2006, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by MikeyFingaz

lmao... i just love how some people are so willing to trust the judgement of a violent criminal with a gun.... flame all you want... ;)

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03-07-2006, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by MikeyFingaz

yup, that child might have ended up motherless had that guy not been there. we dont know if he was planning on doing more than just robbing the place... the child was 3 feet or more out of the way from the line of fire. the good guy is an NRA instructor...

and apparently, the judge, & the cops all felt he was hustified... no charges...

Or they both could have ended up dead while gunboy and asshole traded lead with them directly in the line of fire.
Was he justified? Legally YES, the man was armed. Did he use good sense? I don't think so.

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03-07-2006, 12:59 AM

one try only.... no do overs.... everyone has thier opinions... debate away....

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03-07-2006, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by escorpio

Or they both could have ended up dead while gunboy and asshole traded lead with them directly in the line of fire.
Was he justified? Legally YES, the man was armed. Did he use good sense? I don't think so.

cmo'n , this guy missed from few metrs distance (NRA instructor!)

shooting to the back multiply times while this guy running away

nigga shoulda blow the head of this nra'er with one bullet when he just entered this shop.

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03-07-2006, 01:02 AM

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03-07-2006, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by escorpio

Or they both could have ended up dead while gunboy and asshole traded lead with them directly in the line of fire.
Was he justified? Legally YES, the man was armed. Did he use good sense? I don't think so.

I agree with this.. what would have happened if the suspece popped one or two rounds off and this guard had to retreat a bit, who knows if the suspect would have crossed paths with the mother and child.. It's too close for comfort..

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03-07-2006, 01:05 AM

Pulling a gun out is a very serious matter and that robber crossed that line. People that don't own guns won't understand that.
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03-07-2006, 01:06 AM

if you watch the whole video.. the guy has a pic of himself trying to pose all hardcore with his gun..

you can tell he was waiting for the day to use his gun like that for years...

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03-07-2006, 01:06 AM

lmao....guy, we werent there.... every round hit the suspect... EVERY ROUND....

all i can say is we are all entitled to our opinions on how it should have been handled... but i doubt anyone here could have been as calm & collected as that guy was... id definatley rather have him in a store with me if robbers rushed in over you guys anyday.... no offense. ;)

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03-07-2006, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by potter

Pulling a gun out is a very serious matter and that robber crossed that line. People that don't own guns won't understand that.

I've had guns, I've been shot at, and shot at people... I know the risks that are associated with guns, and I have deemed myself a responsible gun owner in the fact that I do not own a gun any more.

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03-07-2006, 01:08 AM

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He's lucky that the baby did not suffer blown ear drums and that the mother of the infant is not suing the shit out of him for it..

The robber would have had to pay. Hell, even if the N.R.A. guy shot the mother on accident. The robber is liable for damages caused, and every bullet fired wether it be his, the store owner's, or the cops.
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03-07-2006, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by sonofsam

if you watch the whole video.. the guy has a pic of himself trying to pose all hardcore with his gun..

you can tell he was waiting for the day to use his gun like that for years...

he was not the one who posted the video... his friend did it and added the effects at the end & the music without the instructors knowlede.... just for the record.

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03-07-2006, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by potter

The robber would have had to pay. Hell, even if the N.R.A. guy shot the mother on accident. The robber is liable for damages caused, and every bullet fired wether it be his, the store owner's, or the cops.

if the N.R.A. guy shot the mother on accident he would be in jail.
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03-07-2006, 01:12 AM

anyone got any news articles on this besides the video. no audio and its cut. the lady and the baby dont seem to threatned , and the robber doesnt appear armed , and doesnt appear to be fleeing with any cash so shooting him in the back seems a bit overkill.

but then again its easy to say that sitting here and not being there scared shitless and having my money stolen.. i suppose if i were there i might feel differently

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03-07-2006, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by potter

Pulling a gun out is a very serious matter and that robber crossed that line. People that don't own guns won't understand that.

I have owned guns and even been a member of the NRA, taking their gun saftey courses starting at age 11. I would be all for blasting that guy to hell EXCEPT for the fact that there was a mother and child in the line of fire. That's what my gun training taught me.

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03-07-2006, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by MikeyFingaz

id definatley rather have him in a store with me if robbers rushed in over you guys anyday.... no offense. ;)

not me.. i don't want some hero citizen putting everyone in danger

how many robbers you think go into a place with the intention of robbing the place, and then killing someone just for the hell of it?

most people that are doing robberies are junkies who have no money to buy product... so they just want to get the money.. and go buy some more...

everyone would have been a LOT safer if the "brave nra instructor" didn't pull that stunt

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03-07-2006, 01:15 AM

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not me.. i don't want some hero citizen putting everyone in danger

how many robbers you think go into a place with the intention of robbing the place, and then killing someone just for the hell of it?

most people that are doing robberies are junkies who have no money to buy product... so they just want to get the money.. and go buy some more...

everyone would have been a LOT safer if the "brave nra instructor" didn't pull that stunt

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03-07-2006, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by escorpio

I have owned guns and even been a member of the NRA, taking their gun saftey courses starting at age 11. I would be all for blasting that guy to hell EXCEPT for the fact that there was a mother and child in the line of fire. That's what my gun training taught me.

With the information provided in the thread. The woman and child were not in the line of fire.
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03-07-2006, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by potter

With the information provided in the thread. The woman and child were not in the line of fire.

right , they were about 1500 miles away in miami
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03-07-2006, 01:18 AM

true. but when you put tens of thousands of rounds downrange every year, and are the VERY GUY who teaches others how to shoot properly & accurately, the chance of him shooting someone who is 3 feet away from his line of fire is preeeettttyyy slim ;)

i have always wondered why it is that people who are not willing to defend thier own life & expects mercy from someone, or for a cop to magically appear to save them, always want to label those who are willing to defend themselves a .... "gun nut"

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03-07-2006, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by potter

With the information provided in the thread. The woman and child were not in the line of fire.

They were between the robber and the NRA guy.

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03-07-2006, 01:21 AM

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03-07-2006, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by Vlad

if the N.R.A. guy shot the mother on accident he would be in jail.

Where I am from, the robber (who was in the wrong, and started the gun fight) is responsible for every bullet fired.
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03-07-2006, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by MikeyFingaz

true. but when you put tens of thousands of rounds downrange every year, and are the VERY GUY who teaches others how to shoot properly & accurately, the chance of him shooting someone who is 3 feet away from his line of fire is preeeettttyyy slim ;)

i have always wondered why it is that people who are not willing to defend thier own life & expects mercy from someone, or for a cop to magically appear to save them, always want to label those who are willing to defend themselves a .... "gun nut" :hollering

okay.. so the NRA guy is trained... congrats to him

what about the junky he pulled and aimed the gun at? is the junky trained as well as the NRA instructor?

i know that if i was a crackhead robbing a store... and if someone pulled a gun on me i would shoot at them before they could shoot at me...

just because the junky shoots the mother and/or baby because he doesn't know how to use his gun... doesn't mean it's not the NRA instructors fault...

if he didn't pull a gun, it would have been a LOT safer...

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03-07-2006, 01:22 AM

im so glad that those of you saying that the guy was wrong are so willing to put such good faith in the bad guy.... hey wait!!!! i know, lets let him take us in the back of the store & tie us up so we are helpless & hope that he is a good boy like his momma says he is & hope he doesnt kill us

some people are wired to act in defense, some are not... we werent there, we dont know what was said, wew can only judge.... continue flame ;)

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03-07-2006, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by MikeyFingaz

true. but when you put tens of thousands of rounds downrange every year, and are the VERY GUY who teaches others how to shoot properly & accurately, the chance of him shooting someone who is 3 feet away from his line of fire is preeeettttyyy slim ;)

True, but he was firing on an armed man who may have returned fire putting the child in danger.

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03-07-2006, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by potter

Where I am from, the robber (who was in the wrong, and started the gun fight) is responsible for every bullet fired.

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03-07-2006, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by sonofsam

okay.. so the NRA guy is trained... congrats to him

what about the junky he pulled and aimed the gun at? is the junky trained as well as the NRA instructor?

i know that if i was a crackhead robbing a store... and if someone pulled a gun on me i would shoot at them before they could shoot at me...

just because the junky shoots the mother and/or baby because he doesn't know how to use his gun... doesn't mean it's not the NRA instructors fault...

if he didn't pull a gun, it would have been a LOT safer...

I'd second that , sonofsam telling the truth
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03-07-2006, 01:26 AM

lets have a vote.... who here would like to have a store employee try and be a hero in that situation if you were standing 3 feet away from him and the robber?

or would you rather let the robber take the fuckin 50 dollars or whatever is in the till and leave so he can go buy crack?

i'd prefer he just take the money and leave...

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03-07-2006, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by escorpio

True, but he was firing on an armed man who may have returned fire putting the child in danger.

good point most criminals never hit what htye are shooting at, they just end up killing everything else thats near:

its not up to the good guy to be worried about the bad guys line of fire... only his own.... and his was clear ( if it wasnt, then there would be a dead baby & a dead mom)

but there is no dead baby & no dead mom... who knows what might have happened if he hadnt taken the action he did..... i can see the headlines now... four people slain in robbery last night..... details at 11:00

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03-07-2006, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by escorpio

They were between the robber and the NRA guy.

That's not what I see in the video.
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03-07-2006, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by MikeyFingaz

good point most criminals never hit what htye are shooting at, they just end up killing everything else thats near:

its not up to the good guy to be worried about the bad guys line of fire... only his own.... and his was clear ( if it wasnt, then there would be a dead baby & a dead mom)

but there is no dead baby & no dead mom... who knows what might have happened if he hadnt taken the action he did..... i can see the headlines now... four people slain in robbery last night..... details at 11:00

actually it IS the good guys problem..

this is why cops arn't allowed to persue some high speed chases... not because they are worried about their own driving... but because they can't put innocent bystanders in danger by giving chase

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03-07-2006, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by sonofsam

not me.. i don't want some hero citizen putting everyone in danger

how many robbers you think go into a place with the intention of robbing the place, and then killing someone just for the hell of it?

most people that are doing robberies are junkies who have no money to buy product... so they just want to get the money.. and go buy some more...

everyone would have been a LOT safer if the "brave nra instructor" didn't pull that stunt

you have a good point . how does this dude know some kids on bikes werent riding by in front of the store as he let loose..
I'm a gun owner/user and im all for the use of firearms for protection.. but this guy wasn't protecting anything . he pulled out his gun the robber bolted , he shot him in the back , the only thing i will give the dude is that , people panis when they feel threatned , and so maybe he freaked , cant fault him for that , but if he thinks thats "proper" behavious , he is wrong in my view.

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03-07-2006, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by sonofsam

lets have a vote.... who here would like to have a store employee try and be a hero in that situation if you were standing 3 feet away from him and the robber?

or would you rather let the robber take the fuckin 50 dollars or whatever is in the till and leave so he can go buy crack?

i'd prefer he just take the money and leave...

but you dont know that he would have just left..... none of us do... why hope that the fucker has mercy?

and for the record, if that was me in that position, i would have wanted him to take the action that he did.... sorry bro, i like your drawings, but we are in disagreement on this one lol.

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03-07-2006, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by sonofsam

actually it IS the good guys problem..

this is why cops arn't allowed to persue some high speed chases... not because they are worried about their own driving... but because they can't put innocent bystanders in danger by giving chase

also you can't persue a biker with police car ! (at least here, IL)

you are putting the life of biker in danger by doing so
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03-07-2006, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by sonofsam

actually it IS the good guys problem..

this is why cops arn't allowed to persue some high speed chases... not because they are worried about their own driving... but because they can't put innocent bystanders in danger by giving chase

there is no immenint threat in a highspeed chase... its not a life& death split descision scenario.

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03-07-2006, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by MikeyFingaz

but you dont know that he would have just left..... none of us do... why hope that the fucker has mercy?

I'm sure statistically that everyone would have been safer if the NRA guy didn't pull a gun...

i don't know how big the number of people who randomly kill people for no reason during robberies is... but i'd imagine it would be a considerable size smaller then the amount of people who just take the money and leave

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03-07-2006, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by sonofsam

lets have a vote.... who here would like to have a store employee try and be a hero in that situation if you were standing 3 feet away from him and the robber?

or would you rather let the robber take the fuckin 50 dollars or whatever is in the till and leave so he can go buy crack?

i'd prefer he just take the money and leave...

i would wait until the woman and child were out of harms way then opened fire on his ass

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03-07-2006, 01:33 AM

I think this NRA instructor got shocked , and didn't realized whats exactly he was doing in same moment (that's also expalins 3 bullets from 3 feet distance which DIDN'T stopped the robber)
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03-07-2006, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

you have a good point . how does this dude know some kids on bikes werent riding by in front of the store as he let loose..
I'm a gun owner/user and im all for the use of firearms for protection.. but this guy wasn't protecting anything . he pulled out his gun the robber bolted , he shot him in the back , the only thing i will give the dude is that , people panis when they feel threatned , and so maybe he freaked , cant fault him for that , but if he thinks thats "proper" behavious , he is wrong in my view.

well actually the robber went to shoot him when he seen the good guys gun... maybe it would have been better if he waited to see what the robber would have done... as far as whats behind the badguy, you have a point... but that was a split descicion situation...

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03-07-2006, 01:34 AM

Did anyone notice the projectile that bounced off of the ceiling? A shell? or a bullet from the robbers gun? or did a bullet hit the glass and then bounce up to the ceiling?

Look at about 33 sec. into the video.. there's a steam of white colored powder that is coming downwards...

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