domain name issue, to sell or not.... - GoFuckYourself.com

cherrylula · 04-26-2002, 01:06 PM

A few years ago I happened to register a .com url that is an old nickname I've used. Recently I discovered that the same domain name, but .net, is the name of a mainstream punk band that is on the up and up. I have approached the band manager and spoke to him on the phone yesterday with an offer to sell it to them, and so far his response is that the band really "does not have the money" right now.

However, in the same conversation this manager tells me that the band *just* got accepted and is about to be played on MTV2, is in the process of negotiating a record deal with major labels, and is "about to become a household name." From looking at their .net site and from what I can conclude per my conversation with the band manager, they seem very marketable and have a good image and are in a great position to gain some success. I also concluded from my conversation with him that my .com site is getting 2-3 times the number of hits than their .net site. It has only been erected with a counter for less than a week, and seems to be getting higher numbers daily.

My dilemma now is that I really want to get a decent chunk of change for this domain name, ASAP, and turn the profit into something else. I have invested time and money in the past towards the planning and development of this site PRIOR to even being aware that such a band existed under the same name. I am not going to mention the name here, but it is a rather common couple of words, and I do not think they can really give me any hassles if I were to go ahead with my original plans for this site. My plans for this domain name are NOT conflicting with the band itself, I have never and still do not have any plans to SQUAT or capitalize off this band's name to make my original business plan successful. In general, its a good mainstream domain name.

I do not care to play negotiating games with some struggling band if they cannot give me what it is worth. I am considering selling it if I can get a fair amount for it, yet I am also thinking about moving ahead with my original plans for this domain. Unsure of just what to do.

I am posting this here because I know there are a lot of serious business people here, definitely more knowledgeable and aggressive at this type of business venture than myself, who may either have good advice to give me, or perhaps interested in turning around some K.

If anyone has any advice it is greatly appreciated. I can also be contacted by email at [email protected] if anyone is SERIOUS and would be interested in buying this domain from me if the band themselves do not pull through. As I said, in probably 6 months from now this url will be pulling in lots and lots of type in traffic and is going to seriously increase in value. I need the capital, and if anyone wants to make a quick turn-around of some money then drop me an email and I will give you more info

To my knowledge this band does not own the trademark of their name, but has put out 6 cds, and sold "hundreds of thousands" of albums. They JUST released a new album and are even on the WARP TOUR bill for this summer. hehe and I own their dot com. Fun.

Thanks in advance for any help in this matter!

hyper · 04-26-2002, 01:10 PM

blah

fuck it
let them borrow the money.

pornJester · 04-26-2002, 01:12 PM

give the kids a break, just give it to them, they have dreams of playing music for the masses, help them with their dream!

hyper · 04-26-2002, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornJester
give the kids a break, just give it to them, they have dreams of playing music for the masses, help them with their dream!

fuck them
they put out 6 cd's
are on the warp tour

they can afford it

cherrylula · 04-26-2002, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by pornJester
give the kids a break, just give it to them, they have dreams of playing music for the masses, help them with their dream!

Uh well from what I can tell, their "dreams" right now make more money than I do lol.... sooo as much as I want to help their punk rock cause, I also need to get what it is worth to even consider selling it, in general.

FierceHost · 04-26-2002, 01:50 PM

He's playing your bluff ;)

Kimmykim · 04-26-2002, 02:01 PM

I'll give you 15 bucks for it. ;)

hyper · 04-26-2002, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
I'll give you 15 bucks for it. ;)

i'll raise that to $20

Pipecrew · 04-26-2002, 02:13 PM

Sell it now or end up getting sued when this band gets on their powertrip... Trust me I know... I was sued 3 years ago for a similar issue

bdld · 04-26-2002, 02:38 PM

sell it, being nice doesnt pay the bills

FATPad · 04-26-2002, 02:57 PM

They've sold hundreds of thousands of CD's, are ready to get signed to a major label, have something going with MTV2, are on the WARP tour, and can't afford to pay you a fair price for the domain?

Pffff. Doubtful. Someone's yanking your chain trying to play the sympathy card.

bash · 04-26-2002, 03:09 PM

Give it to them before their record company sues the shit out of you... cybersquatter.

04-26-2002, 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by bash
Give it to them before their record company sues the shit out of you... cybersquatter.

it's not cyberquatting if you owned the domain BEFORE the freaking band even existed lol

volante · 04-26-2002, 03:27 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/ent...000/855523.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/ent...000/976047.stm

04-26-2002, 03:30 PM

hmm damn !

I guess I was wrong then. Better get rid of the domain until they sue you.

or start some serious business on the domain and they won't be able to take it from you ... i'd assume.

The Chosen · 04-26-2002, 03:31 PM

wait until they'll be more known and have some money, and then sell it

cherrylula · 04-26-2002, 04:11 PM

Oh one more thing... the band openly admits to getting their name from a line in a movie.... the name itself is not anything spectacular and I even doubt they can trademark it. I can prove beyond any doubt that I am NOT cybersquatting.

Anyhow at this point I am just waiting on a counter offer, but thanks to all for the advice.

LiveDose · 04-26-2002, 05:26 PM

Keep the name and make money with the type in traffic. I have 5 .com's which get traffic because other people have registered .net and it' like a nice lazy man's traffic pump. Pure luck, I never cyberquatted nor did I think anyone would register the .net variations.

I have also been threatened by 3 separate idiots, one large European corporation and all 3 back down after our lawyer stepped up. Domain names don't always get taken away that easily espcially if you are sincerely not sybersquatting and there is any grey area. The funny thing is I would have sold the names each time but the initial contact from them was aggressive threats so fuck it, that put me off.If I was you I would just get something up on the domain so that it shows you are using it.

Stand your ground and if the band really wants the name they will come back with a better offer. Maybe you could also offer them a link to their site from your index for a monthly fee but I would be careful about contacting them too much about this hence it will look like you are cybersquatting.

Good luck and njoy the traffic!

Matt 26z · 04-26-2002, 06:10 PM

Punk Rock bands generally don't make it. There's only room for one in mainstream at any given time it seems. Green Day, Offspring, Blink 182, and now Sum 41. So if they do overthrow Sum 41, they'd be pretty big.

I'd personally just give it to them in return for backstage passes to every show they ever are a part of in your area. You may not like them, but that could be cool if they played with other bands you do like.

Fletch XXX · 04-26-2002, 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by Matt 26z
Punk Rock bands generally don't make it. There's only room for one in mainstream at any given time it seems. Green Day, Offspring, Blink 182, and now Sum 41. So if they do overthrow Sum 41, they'd be pretty big.

Judging from my conversations with CherryLula, one of the bands you name is assisting in *this* bands promotions and *producing their albums.

Living For Today · 04-26-2002, 07:18 PM

is it eskimo joe?

bhutocracy · 04-26-2002, 07:28 PM

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Originally posted by Living For Today
is it eskimo joe?

hehehe...

Prowler · 04-26-2002, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matt 26z
Punk Rock bands generally don't make it. There's only room for one in mainstream at any given time it seems. Green Day, Offspring, Blink 182, and now Sum 41. So if they do overthrow Sum 41, they'd be pretty big.

LMAO which one of these bands are Punk Rock?....

Ohh you mean Pop Rock......The above bands are Pop and not Punk!

cherrylula · 04-26-2002, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prowler

LMAO which one of these bands are Punk Rock?....

Ohh you mean Pop Rock......The above bands are Pop and not Punk!

No shit Prowler... I only use the word "punk" to define this band because of the mainstream assholes who have slaughtered that term. They sure as fuck do NOT know what real "punk" is about, that is for sure. Needless to say I'm keeping it on a business level with them. ::::vomits:::::

Living For Today · 04-26-2002, 08:30 PM

Can u ahhhh just tell us who the band is. Im damn curious :p

BAD RELIGION
NOFX
LAGWAGON
NEW FOUND GLORY
ANTI-FLAG
NO USE FOR A NAME
THURSDAY
ALKALINE TRIO
QUARASHI
OZMA
USELESS I.D.
HOMEGROWN
ALLISTER
FINCH
RX BANDITS
THE MOVIELIFE
DEATH BY STEREO
SOMETHING CORPORATE
THE DAMNED
MXPX
THE START
MIGHTY MIGHTY BOSSTONES
REEL BIG FISH
GOOD CHARLOTTE
FLOGGING MOLLY
THE CASUALTIES
MORGAN HERITAGE
SW1TCHED
AUTOPILOT OFF
DOWNWAY
FIVE IRON FRENZY
DYNAMITE BOY
THE STARTING LINE
1208
GUTTERMOUTH
TIGER ARMY
ARKHAM
HOT WATER MUSIC
ESKIMO JOE
DIVOT
TOTAL CHAOS
The LINE
MANIC HISPANIC
PEPPER
PISTOL GRIP
BOY SETS FIRE
STAVESACRE
THRICE
MIDTOWN
GOB
DEVIATES
THE USED
RECOVER
AUTHORITY ZERO
SMALL BROWN BIKE
THE UNSEEN
ULTIMATE FAKEBOOK
POTLUCK
BORIALIS
RIDDLIN KIDS
STUDENT RICK
YELLOWCARD
mi6
SMACKIN ISAIAH
TSUNAMI BOMB
GLASSJAW
3RD STRIKE
PLACES TO PARK
WANTED DEAD

04-26-2002, 01:06 PM	#1
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	domain name issue, to sell or not.... A few years ago I happened to register a .com url that is an old nickname I've used. Recently I discovered that the same domain name, but .net, is the name of a mainstream punk band that is on the up and up. I have approached the band manager and spoke to him on the phone yesterday with an offer to sell it to them, and so far his response is that the band really "does not have the money" right now. However, in the same conversation this manager tells me that the band just got accepted and is about to be played on MTV2, is in the process of negotiating a record deal with major labels, and is "about to become a household name." From looking at their .net site and from what I can conclude per my conversation with the band manager, they seem very marketable and have a good image and are in a great position to gain some success. I also concluded from my conversation with him that my .com site is getting 2-3 times the number of hits than their .net site. It has only been erected with a counter for less than a week, and seems to be getting higher numbers daily. My dilemma now is that I really want to get a decent chunk of change for this domain name, ASAP, and turn the profit into something else. I have invested time and money in the past towards the planning and development of this site PRIOR to even being aware that such a band existed under the same name. I am not going to mention the name here, but it is a rather common couple of words, and I do not think they can really give me any hassles if I were to go ahead with my original plans for this site. My plans for this domain name are NOT conflicting with the band itself, I have never and still do not have any plans to SQUAT or capitalize off this band's name to make my original business plan successful. In general, its a good mainstream domain name. I do not care to play negotiating games with some struggling band if they cannot give me what it is worth. I am considering selling it if I can get a fair amount for it, yet I am also thinking about moving ahead with my original plans for this domain. Unsure of just what to do. I am posting this here because I know there are a lot of serious business people here, definitely more knowledgeable and aggressive at this type of business venture than myself, who may either have good advice to give me, or perhaps interested in turning around some K. If anyone has any advice it is greatly appreciated. I can also be contacted by email at [email protected] if anyone is SERIOUS and would be interested in buying this domain from me if the band themselves do not pull through. As I said, in probably 6 months from now this url will be pulling in lots and lots of type in traffic and is going to seriously increase in value. I need the capital, and if anyone wants to make a quick turn-around of some money then drop me an email and I will give you more info To my knowledge this band does not own the trademark of their name, but has put out 6 cds, and sold "hundreds of thousands" of albums. They JUST released a new album and are even on the WARP TOUR bill for this summer. hehe and I own their dot com. Fun. Thanks in advance for any help in this matter!

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04-26-2002, 02:01 PM	#7
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	I'll give you 15 bucks for it. ;)

04-26-2002, 02:13 PM	#9
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	Sell it now or end up getting sued when this band gets on their powertrip... Trust me I know... I was sued 3 years ago for a similar issue

04-26-2002, 02:38 PM	#10
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	sell it, being nice doesnt pay the bills

04-26-2002, 03:09 PM	#12
bash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 245	Give it to them before their record company sues the shit out of you... cybersquatter.

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04-26-2002, 03:30 PM	#15
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	hmm damn ! I guess I was wrong then. Better get rid of the domain until they sue you. or start some serious business on the domain and they won't be able to take it from you ... i'd assume.

04-26-2002, 03:31 PM	#16
The Chosen Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Hell Posts: 232	wait until they'll be more known and have some money, and then sell it

04-26-2002, 04:11 PM	#17
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	Oh one more thing... the band openly admits to getting their name from a line in a movie.... the name itself is not anything spectacular and I even doubt they can trademark it. I can prove beyond any doubt that I am NOT cybersquatting. Anyhow at this point I am just waiting on a counter offer, but thanks to all for the advice.

04-26-2002, 05:26 PM	#18
LiveDose Show Yer Tits! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Out there... Posts: 25,792	Keep the name and make money with the type in traffic. I have 5 .com's which get traffic because other people have registered .net and it' like a nice lazy man's traffic pump. Pure luck, I never cyberquatted nor did I think anyone would register the .net variations. I have also been threatened by 3 separate idiots, one large European corporation and all 3 back down after our lawyer stepped up. Domain names don't always get taken away that easily espcially if you are sincerely not sybersquatting and there is any grey area. The funny thing is I would have sold the names each time but the initial contact from them was aggressive threats so fuck it, that put me off.If I was you I would just get something up on the domain so that it shows you are using it. Stand your ground and if the band really wants the name they will come back with a better offer. Maybe you could also offer them a link to their site from your index for a monthly fee but I would be careful about contacting them too much about this hence it will look like you are cybersquatting. Good luck and njoy the traffic! __________________ Scammer Alert: acer19 acer [email protected] [email protected] Money stolen using PayPal

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Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	Punk Rock bands generally don't make it. There's only room for one in mainstream at any given time it seems. Green Day, Offspring, Blink 182, and now Sum 41. So if they do overthrow Sum 41, they'd be pretty big. I'd personally just give it to them in return for backstage passes to every show they ever are a part of in your area. You may not like them, but that could be cool if they played with other bands you do like.

04-26-2002, 07:18 PM	#21
Living For Today Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,970	is it eskimo joe?

04-26-2002, 08:30 PM	#25
Living For Today Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,970	Can u ahhhh just tell us who the band is. Im damn curious :p BAD RELIGION NOFX LAGWAGON NEW FOUND GLORY ANTI-FLAG NO USE FOR A NAME THURSDAY ALKALINE TRIO QUARASHI OZMA USELESS I.D. HOMEGROWN ALLISTER FINCH RX BANDITS THE MOVIELIFE DEATH BY STEREO SOMETHING CORPORATE THE DAMNED MXPX THE START MIGHTY MIGHTY BOSSTONES REEL BIG FISH GOOD CHARLOTTE FLOGGING MOLLY THE CASUALTIES MORGAN HERITAGE SW1TCHED AUTOPILOT OFF DOWNWAY FIVE IRON FRENZY DYNAMITE BOY THE STARTING LINE 1208 GUTTERMOUTH TIGER ARMY ARKHAM HOT WATER MUSIC ESKIMO JOE DIVOT TOTAL CHAOS The LINE MANIC HISPANIC PEPPER PISTOL GRIP BOY SETS FIRE STAVESACRE THRICE MIDTOWN GOB DEVIATES THE USED RECOVER AUTHORITY ZERO SMALL BROWN BIKE THE UNSEEN ULTIMATE FAKEBOOK POTLUCK BORIALIS RIDDLIN KIDS STUDENT RICK YELLOWCARD mi6 SMACKIN ISAIAH TSUNAMI BOMB GLASSJAW 3RD STRIKE PLACES TO PARK WANTED DEAD