I'm completely done with the blatant lies this industry produces

[bluff]

As we all know very well, due to dilution and numerous other factors conversion ratios in this industry are getting worse and worse. Once they may have been good, but those days are over. Ratios of 1:50, 1:100 or even 1:200 are not real, whatever the source of traffic may be. I have the purest kind of direct navigation traffic out there, and I ain't seein' any of the dough promised by so many people!

Unlike in any other industry, program owners in adult seem to miss every bit of self-control or decency when talking about their profitability. A bit of advertising to promote a product is fine with me, but why exaggerate into the absurd?

And if they aren't program owners, why are people lying about their ratios? To brag, to make themselves look good? If they would only have half a brain they'd understand all their bluff will only lead to further deterioration of their profits.

When EvilChris, who mismanages his paysites, who lies to both his members and webmasters (for example about the frequency of updates, some paysites - who claim to update once a week - haven't been updated for over 8 months) produces another obvious lie by saying one of his sites is converting at 1:44, why don't we all just laugh?

I'm glad I'm out of here.

[CuriousToyBoy]

Errrr.

Bye.

I might stick around just a tad longer myself.

[bluff]

Originally Posted by NaughtyWhores

Errrr.

Bye.

I might stick around just a tad longer myself.

I've been here for years, and I've made good money. Adult has taught me how to do that, now I'll project my knowledge to other facets of the internet.

[killerkay]

the money is what keeps me around

[brand0n]

im under 1:20 right now

how ya like those green apples?

[bluff]

Originally Posted by brand0n

im under 1:20 right now

how ya like those green apples?

Why do you say such a thing? Everyone knows it's nonsense, and the few that don't will only cause you to make less! The only reason I can think of is a lack of brain capacity.

[psili]

It's an industry standard to bullshit.
Just like how ALL programs count hits differently and usually don't count them correctly.
You've been on the board for a year with 6000 posts and haven't come to terms with it yet?

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by bluff

Why do you say such a thing? Everyone knows it's nonsense, and the few that don't will only cause you to make less! The only reason I can think of is a lack of brain capacity.

put your money where your mouth is

ive got 500 bucks paypal right now says im under 1:20 with a very popular sponsor right here on this board.

agree and ill be more then happy to let you log into my stats and check for yourself.

put up.. or shut up. just becouse YOU cant pull those ratios dont mean that EVERYONE cant.

[fris]

Originally Posted by bluff

As we all know very well, due to dilution and numerous other factors conversion ratios in this industry are getting worse and worse. Once they may have been good, but those days are over. Ratios of 1:50, 1:100 or even 1:200 are not real, whatever the source of traffic may be. I have the purest kind of direct navigation traffic out there, and I ain't seein' any of the dough promised by so many people!

Unlike in any other industry, program owners in adult seem to miss every bit of self-control or decency when talking about their profitability. A bit of advertising to promote a product is fine with me, but why exaggerate into the absurd?

And if they aren't program owners, why are people lying about their ratios? To brag, to make themselves look good? If they would only have half a brain they'd understand all their bluff will only lead to further deterioration of their profits.

When EvilChris, who mismanages his paysites, who lies to both his members and webmasters (for example about the frequency of updates, some paysites - who claim to update once a week - haven't been updated for over 8 months) produces another obvious lie by saying one of his sites is converting at 1:44, why don't we all just laugh?

I'm glad I'm out of here.

what you need is some thai hookers you can eat a pound of bacon off of

[psili]

Just curious - are those raw, unique, join page, ??? hits ?

Originally Posted by brand0n

put your money where your mouth is

ive got 500 bucks paypal right now says im under 1:20 with a very popular sponsor right here on this board.

agree and ill be more then happy to let you log into my stats and check for yourself.

put up.. or shut up. just becouse YOU cant pull those ratios dont mean that EVERYONE cant.

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by fris

what you need is some thai hookers you can eat a pound of bacon off of

dont we all?

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by brand0n

put your money where your mouth is

ive got 500 bucks paypal right now says im under 1:20 with a very popular sponsor right here on this board.

what traffic? members area?

[brand0n]

raws
_____

[Fletch XXX]

blah blah blah and people steal money from the church collection.

all industries are filled with crooks and liars.

wherever there is business there will be greed and greed is the #1 motivating factor for scammers, crooks, and conmen.

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

what traffic? members area?

i could tell you but id have to kill you.

you see the problem here right?

so.. bluff big boy.. wanna take the bet or not bozo?

[CuriousToyBoy]

Originally Posted by bluff

I've been here for years, and I've made good money. Adult has taught me how to do that, now I'll project my knowledge to other facets of the internet.

Good luck with that.

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

blah blah blah and people steal money from the church collection.

all industries are filled with crooks and liars.

wherever there is business there will be greed and greed is the #1 motivating factor for scammers, crooks, and conmen.

rumor has it rentatroll shaves like a fuck

you order 3 trolls and only get 1 who acts like 3 and gets into fights with himself using a network of fake nicks

any truth to this FLETCH??

[bluff]

I don't even care about what brand0n does or not. I'm 100% sure he's not doing 1:20 overall, maybe only with one tiny, overfiltered portion of his traffic.

Come on, what makes this guy so dumb? Brand0n can you even remotely grasp what I said about traffic dilution? You're a clueless retard.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by bluff

As we all know very well, due to dilution and numerous other factors conversion ratios in this industry are getting worse and worse. Once they may have been good, but those days are over. Ratios of 1:50, 1:100 or even 1:200 are not real, whatever the source of traffic may be. I have the purest kind of direct navigation traffic out there, and I ain't seein' any of the dough promised by so many people!

Unlike in any other industry, program owners in adult seem to miss every bit of self-control or decency when talking about their profitability. A bit of advertising to promote a product is fine with me, but why exaggerate into the absurd?

And if they aren't program owners, why are people lying about their ratios? To brag, to make themselves look good? If they would only have half a brain they'd understand all their bluff will only lead to further deterioration of their profits.

When EvilChris, who mismanages his paysites, who lies to both his members and webmasters (for example about the frequency of updates, some paysites - who claim to update once a week - haven't been updated for over 8 months) produces another obvious lie by saying one of his sites is converting at 1:44, why don't we all just laugh?

I'm glad I'm out of here.

All this rant and then you pick on one individual??

[bluff]

Brand0n, your stupidity put a huge smile on my face, honestly :-)

[bluff]

Originally Posted by JFK

All this rant and then you pick on one individual??

EvilChris was the last straw, but I won't deny the fact that his blatant nonsense and deceptive advertising have been bothering me for years.

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by bluff

Brand0n, your stupidity put a huge smile on my face, honestly :-)

you wont take the bet.

you are all talk and no action. a big wiff of hot air at best.

now cower back into your crawl space and be the bitch that you are. i dont know what i was thinking when i said "man up" but i shoulda guess that was an impossible task for yourself.

you run your trap with out anything to back it up, and when i offer clear proof with a price you blah blah blah your way out of it..

if you are so FUCKIN SURE then its a fast 500 bucks in your paypal account now isnt it?

i guess you arent really that fucking sure at all are you.. your actions clearly state that, as youll come up with some more blah blah blah to avoid the true issue.

[bluff]

Originally Posted by brand0n

you wont take the bet.

you are all talk and no action. a big wiff of hot air at best.

now cower back into your crawl space and be the bitch that you are. i dont know what i was thinking when i said "man up" but i shoulda guess that was an impossible task for yourself.

you run your trap with out anything to back it up, and when i offer clear proof with a price you blah blah blah your way out of it..

if you are so FUCKIN SURE then its a fast 500 bucks in your paypal account now isnt it?

i guess you arent really that fucking sure at all are you.. your actions clearly state that, as youll come up with some more blah blah blah to avoid the true issue.

Oh man, you make me laugh! Do you really not understand that with all your bragging and talking nonsense you're only ruining your own market?

[bluff]

Brand0n, you say you're converting under 1:20 overall, counting all your adult traffic and all your signups, across all sponsors?

[sherie]

Fortunately for us your statement is wrong. I have people doing under 1/100 for 5 of our sites. As a few have pointed out, they are doing the same with other programs and their traffic. Sorry that you haven't been able to attain those numbers, but it's not always BS.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by bluff

EvilChris was the last straw, but I won't deny the fact that his blatant nonsense and deceptive advertising have been bothering me for years.

Amazing Evil Chris, the straw that broke the camels back

[bluff]

Originally Posted by sherie

Fortunately for us your statement is wrong. I have people doing under 1/100 for 5 of our sites. As a few have pointed out, they are doing the same with other programs and their traffic. Sorry that you haven't been able to attain those numbers, but it's not always BS.

But it's FAR from a standard! The number of those few may not be more than 2-3, on how many? How do they filter? We both know I'm right.

[bluff]

Anyone can approach a 1:1 ratio when he filters well enough, that is not what I mean.

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by bluff

Oh man, you make me laugh! Do you really not understand that with all your bragging and talking nonsense you're only ruining your own market?

like i said blah blah blah to avoid the fact

hey dumb fuck. 500 bucks in your pocket. just say yes. you know ive got to be full of shit right?

how bout this.. ill go one fucking futher..

im under 1:10 with a sponsor here. did 4 sales with them yesterday. under 1:10

hows that grab ya fluffer?

same bet goes, 500 bucks says im telling the truth. if im full of shit, its a quick half a q right to your paypal account.

again.. put up or shut up...

[brand0n]

going to the store, be back in 20

[bluff]

Originally Posted by brand0n

like i said blah blah blah to avoid the fact

hey dumb fuck. 500 bucks in your pocket. just say yes. you know ive got to be full of shit right?

how bout this.. ill go one fucking futher..

im under 1:10 with a sponsor here. did 4 sales with them yesterday. under 1:10

hows that grab ya fluffer?

same bet goes, 500 bucks says im telling the truth. if im full of shit, its a quick half a q right to your paypal account.

again.. put up or shut up...

No, you moron.

[bluff]

Brand0n: how about I average over $3.50 per unique to my sites? You clueless idiot, shut up, I'm done with you.

[sherie]

Originally Posted by bluff

But it's FAR from a standard! The number of those few may not be more than 2-3, on how many? How do they filter? We both know I'm right.

No, we both don't know you're right. Sometimes I think you're a legend in your own mind!

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by brand0n

like i said blah blah blah to avoid the fact

hey i said "blah blah blah" first in this thread.

;)

[psili]

I think his point is how people "filter" to get those ratios.

I've done 1:39, 1:20 for a sponsor in one day a couple of times, but over a decent period of time those numbers are more like 1:500.

Originally Posted by brand0n

like i said blah blah blah to avoid the fact

hey dumb fuck. 500 bucks in your pocket. just say yes. you know ive got to be full of shit right?

how bout this.. ill go one fucking futher..

im under 1:10 with a sponsor here. did 4 sales with them yesterday. under 1:10

hows that grab ya fluffer?

same bet goes, 500 bucks says im telling the truth. if im full of shit, its a quick half a q right to your paypal account.

again.. put up or shut up...

[bluff]

Originally Posted by sherie

No, we both don't know you're right. Sometimes I think you're a legend in your own mind!

heh, I like you.

Still, we both know I'm right, or you just are yet to find out. Sorry.

Btw by no means am I a legend ;-)

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

hey i said "blah blah blah" first in this thread.

;)

Do you have it trademarked??

[seven]

Originally Posted by bluff

As we all know very well, due to dilution and numerous other factors conversion ratios in this industry are getting worse and worse. Once they may have been good, but those days are over. Ratios of 1:50, 1:100 or even 1:200 are not real, whatever the source of traffic may be. I have the purest kind of direct navigation traffic out there, and I ain't seein' any of the dough promised by so many people!

Unlike in any other industry, program owners in adult seem to miss every bit of self-control or decency when talking about their profitability. A bit of advertising to promote a product is fine with me, but why exaggerate into the absurd?

And if they aren't program owners, why are people lying about their ratios? To brag, to make themselves look good? If they would only have half a brain they'd understand all their bluff will only lead to further deterioration of their profits.

When EvilChris, who mismanages his paysites, who lies to both his members and webmasters (for example about the frequency of updates, some paysites - who claim to update once a week - haven't been updated for over 8 months) produces another obvious lie by saying one of his sites is converting at 1:44, why don't we all just laugh?

I'm glad I'm out of here.

I don't know about evil chris's 1:44 cos my CR with littlesummer is around 1:3400 with no rebills out of 5 signups since I started sending it traffic but 5 signups not nuff to judge rebills with.

However, "Ratios of 1:50, 1:100 or even 1:200 are not real, whatever the source of traffic may be" is not at all true.. maybe right if you're talking overall conversion but not for every individual. I do that day in and day out with certain proggies and know many others do the same. Trust me the "Source/target of traffic does matter"

[Tom_PM]

Plenty of people pull in consistent low ratios, thats all there is to it.

[bluff]

Originally Posted by seven

I don't know about evil chris's 1:44 cos my CR with littlesummer is around 1:3400 with no rebills out of 5 signups since I started sending it traffic but 5 signups not nuff to judge rebills with.

However, "Ratios of 1:50, 1:100 or even 1:200 are not real, whatever the source of traffic may be" is not at all true.. maybe right if you're talking overall conversion but not for every individual. I do that day in and day out with certain proggies and know many others do the same. Trust me the "Source/target of traffic does matter"

LOL, I already pointed out that with enough filtering anyone can approach 1:1. My point is overall.

[bigdog]

1:20 ain't that hard if you filter the traffic, and it doesn't have to be members area cc traffic either

[bluff]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Plenty of people pull in consistent low ratios, thats all there is to it.

They filter. And more than 50 times as many people have ratios that would make George W. Bush laugh. By the way, why doesn't your business partner live up to purchases he makes?

[TheLegacy]

Originally Posted by sherie

Fortunately for us your statement is wrong. I have people doing under 1/100 for 5 of our sites. As a few have pointed out, they are doing the same with other programs and their traffic. Sorry that you haven't been able to attain those numbers, but it's not always BS.

well said - though his problem may also be that he only visits GFY and doesnt take into account the slightest chance that those who are making those numbers dont care about posting to this board

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by bluff

They filter. And more than 50 times as many people have ratios that would make George W. Bush laugh. By the way, why doesn't your business partner live up to purchases he makes?

Of course people filter traffic.

And I dont know what you're talking about, I do affiliate support and some other tasks. Have the concerned party contact me and I'll pass it along if there is a loose end somewhere.

[Trax]

reality flash: 90% of GFY = idiots => ergo: you can not take them for real

[Evil Chris]

bluff did you wake up on the wrong side of the internet today?

I'm not a liar, and I don't appreciate being called one. Call me something else if you must. But not a liar.
We all hype our numbers when they're extra good. This month, TeenRevenue is doing exceptionally well overall. I'm just relaying numbers from my admin.

ie.



(our total total uniques and sales are out own business)

[crockett]

Originally Posted by bluff

I don't even care about what brand0n does or not. I'm 100% sure he's not doing 1:20 overall, maybe only with one tiny, overfiltered portion of his traffic.

Come on, what makes this guy so dumb? Brand0n can you even remotely grasp what I said about traffic dilution? You're a clueless retard.

Of course no one is doing 1:20 overall with all their traffic. He never said he was and you didn't ask what people were doing overall.. You brought up one specific site in your rant.

If I break down sites on a site by site I get ratios under 1:50 all the time. Of course every site in that sponsors program isn't going to convert as well so that will drive the overall ratio up much higher.

So that's why you either accept the higher ratios on the other sites or you stop promoting them.

Just because you might not get good ratios doesn't mean everyone else doesn't, maybe you should look at your traffic source. Hell I've seen spammers sales ratios with un-godly low conversion ratio's with shit loads of sales.

I do agree that it seems to be getting harder to sell, but it can still be done, but not every site you try to promote is going to bring in nice ratios.. You just have to accept that IMO.

[slackologist]

good ratios exist but only in isolated pockets where clever design / marketing / strategies have been applied. often it's just a matter of luck as to what works at a particular time.. those maintaining 1:50 ratios work hard and smart for it. sometimes it's hard to see the diamonds for the bullshit.

[Pete-KT]

I have a site thats 1:35 with 5 sales and thats in 2 days if you want proof ill show you screen shots

[seven]

Originally Posted by bluff

They filter. And more than 50 times as many people have ratios that would make George W. Bush laugh. By the way, why doesn't your business partner live up to purchases he makes?

Not sure if your meaning of filtering is the same as everyone else's meaning of filtering. Ofcourse, everybody filter their traffic or in other words target their traffic if not, one should get outta the biz cause there's no way in hell he's gonna see 1:50, 1:100, 1:200 with general/good mix of chinese traffic toppings