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Brujah 03-08-2006 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by westerdal
Hello everyone, I am Jay, the CEO of Whois.sc, we power searches at Network Solutions and GoDaddy. I can safely say, only two people have access to the search queries that generate suggestions. My CTO and I are the only ones with access. We testify in court and to law enforcement authorities all the time. I can safely guarantee no one else has access to the queries or those coming through people using our XML services.

Let me remind everyone that there are 47M active .COM domains and every year now another 10M domains get registered on top of that. Keep in mind that the average daily vocabulary spoken in a day is 3000 words. Most people only know about 65,000 words total.

ok, with all that in prospective, keep in mind at 102M domains have at one point been registered and are currently deleted. There are twice as many domains deleted right now then active. The likely hood that you came up with something unique is not that high. I need to be frank here, other people in the world of 6 billion people may produce the name you thought of before you did. A common technique to is cycling through those 102M domains that have been registered and hold 1 million of those domains active for 4 days, see what happens, then return them do the dead. In most cases if someone like Manila registers a domain, just wait 5 days and register it after they delete it.

There is no possible way what you type in whois.sc gets out to anyone. I know a lot about this industry and the people in it. No company that I know of does this practice. Not Godaddy, not anyone. I know it is easy to come to a conclusion based on the evidence you have, but it is staggering to think about how many domains are in a dead state right now and people are cycling through them. This is called Domain Tasting. (New term in the last year, but starting to get more common now). There are currently about 2 million domains a day now getting tasted. If you give me a few domains, I will look up the history of them and see if I can get the dates they were registered in the past. We have a huge database of when and where a domains were registered previously. Once someone registers it then it becomes public, then deleted, any of those 102M domains can be registered.

Jay
Whois.sc

Great post and answers that question!
:thumbsup

Theo 03-08-2006 12:34 AM

it happened to me twice in the past,but i don't recall if it was through whois.sc or powerpipe.com. I'm almost confident due to the nature of the domains it wasn't a random event. I do not recall more details right now. I would be interested to see more on this issue.

TheJimmy 03-08-2006 12:34 AM

Thanks for the post Jay, that was informative for sure.

:thumbsup

Someone I know told me of another service to 'watch' things through but never verified it, guess I have something to look at tommorow.

I'm curious now.

LiveDose 03-08-2006 12:36 AM

Interesting read.

Theo 03-08-2006 12:38 AM

another story with manila industries and domains taken

http://www.tiedtothetracks.com/story...ves/000873.htm

something tells me this person did a whois as well and domain(s) ended up registered by manila co. shortly after.

chadglni 03-08-2006 12:38 AM

How the hell do you "taste" a domain for 4 days without buying it? :1orglaugh

Expo_Vids 03-08-2006 12:49 AM

Ok, Jay but I have had SEVERAL very specific domain searches registered by Manila recently. At first I just noticed that one domain I decided I wanted had been registered by them a day or 2 after I had searched for it. Then I got curious and typed in several other of the domains I had tried (and were available at that time) and they had also been registed within a day or 2 of me searching for them and had been snapped up by the exact same company.

None of these domains were even remotely related to each other so you can't say that they were just registering additional spellings or variations.

I see other simlilar discussions on the net about Manila Industries. Perhaps they are getting the search data at a higher level then your company? I guess they could be tapped into whatever database your company queries from.

chadglni 03-08-2006 01:03 AM

Somebody point me to a registrar with a 5 day money back guarantee please.

Pornwolf 03-08-2006 01:05 AM

Yunno, it's funny that people think just because a company provides a popular service used by thousands on the internet that they aren't corrupt or they don't have the potential for being misused by some bad guys out there.

Not saying anything necessarily about whois.sc, hell I use them too, but I am always wary about companies that can benefit from your advance information. I'm especially wary about companies that catch dropped domains for instance. There should be a lot of money made by having a script that rates, tracks and snatches domains that are searched and bidded on. Especially when it's YOUR service.

Plenty of horror stories about this if you look for em.

Brujah 03-08-2006 01:14 AM

Pornwolf, I hear ya.. but in Jays case ( Whois.sc ) I think they would stand to lose a great deal more if they were doing something a bit unethical. With deals with major registrars, and profiting from the services they offer, I think their reputation stands to be harmed greatly. I don't think he would risk it. I believe what he said, the way he explained it, and that he believes it to be true. Trusting the registry (Verisign/Netsol) however, I wouldn't go that far.

DamageX 03-08-2006 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah
Pornwolf, I hear ya.. but in Jays case ( Whois.sc ) I think they would stand to lose a great deal more if they were doing something a bit unethical. With deals with major registrars, and profiting from the services they offer, I think their reputation stands to be harmed greatly. I don't think he would risk it. I believe what he said, the way he explained it, and that he believes it to be true. Trusting the registry (Verisign/Netsol) however, I wouldn't go that far.

Never underestimate the greed of people.

Expo_Vids 03-08-2006 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Brujah
Trusting the registry (Verisign/Netsol) however, I wouldn't go that far.

Yeah, actually this is more likely the case. Perhaps since so many of us have searched via whois.sc we are taking the easy route and blaming them.

XPays 03-08-2006 02:51 AM

i would not be surprised if a bot or spyware was the tool rather than espionage at the registrar level but anything is possible and i also agree that there really are very few unique terms/words etc. that only one human in the whole world would consider registering.

westerdal 03-08-2006 04:04 PM

Expo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Expo_Vids
Ok, Jay but I have had SEVERAL very specific domain searches registered by Manila recently. At first I just noticed that one domain I decided I wanted had been registered by them a day or 2 after I had searched for it. Then I got curious and typed in several other of the domains I had tried (and were available at that time) and they had also been registed within a day or 2 of me searching for them and had been snapped up by the exact same company.

None of these domains were even remotely related to each other so you can't say that they were just registering additional spellings or variations.

I see other simlilar discussions on the net about Manila Industries. Perhaps they are getting the search data at a higher level then your company? I guess they could be tapped into whatever database your company queries from.

Over 1 Million domains get tasted a day, which is a huge amount. I am sure they register anything and everything and see what happens.

As for the database we query, we go right to the top, Verisign. Verisign is not allowed to sell this information currently, nor would I see them selling it in the future. I don't buy a leak at any level, perhaps spyware, but seems to far fetched that someone is on your computer registering domains you type in.

westerdal 03-08-2006 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni
How the hell do you "taste" a domain for 4 days without buying it? :1orglaugh

Let me answer this question directly...

As a Registrar, you have 5 days to delete a domain name and not get charged. This is to allow a registrar to handle a chargeback or a typo if it is caught early. It also allows a registrar to test their registration services and then delete the domains. In the last year, this ability/right they have has been abused and now it is mostly used to Domain Tasting. The orginal reason is still valid and writted into a contract so Verisign has not modified the 5 day grace.

detoxed 03-08-2006 04:21 PM

http://spamhuntress.com/wiki/Manila_Industries


CHeck this out


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