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  • crockett
    in a van by the river
    • May 2003
    • 76818
    #76
    Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
    what is legit ? do you just mean " people that rank low ? "

    one could argue the legit guys are fucking with the black hats income . lol
    No I happen to hold a few very choice rankings and I've had them for a long time. I've been knocked off the top a time or two, but I always come back. Why? My sites are on target to the related search teams. I don't spam shit and it works well for me.

    It might take a little time, but I know I will never be banned for doing shady BS. Don't think just because some of us do things legit, means we rank low.

    Trust me I've thought about wasting a few domains and doing some black hat for the hell of it. Who knows I might try it.. However don't think the only way to get to the top is to be black hat.
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      • Pornwolf
        Drunk and Unruly
        • Jan 2002
        • 22712
        #77






        Chicks dig the black hat.
        I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

        Webair, bitches.

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          • Pornwolf
            Drunk and Unruly
            • Jan 2002
            • 22712
            #78
            Originally posted by uno
            Getting psyched for the new season of The Sopranos, eh?
            Always. When I hear a stugotz making a comment about ratting I think about making a call to Paulie.
            I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

            Webair, bitches.

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              • BlackCrayon
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Jun 2003
                • 19634
                #79
                its funny how you avoided basically every real point in my post and focused on the one where i try and show you that i am not some kind of asshole trying to get people banned or hating on everything. i did the keyword thing back before i knew what i was doing. the site that got banned was an old abandoned site that only got a few hundred hits a day, maybe 25 from google. i guess someone must of been pissed at me to report it. i figured they had bots scanning sites for such violations. maybe not. and i never did it to get hits from google, google didn't even exist when i made that site. and i think there is a huge difference between cloaking and redirection and having a few lines of keywords the same color as the background. if the keyword thing made me 10k, i would still disagree about using it.

                anyways, the only point i was really trying to get across is its impossible to compete with black hat tactics with sites who value their content and domains and can't and won't risk them getting banned.

                Originally posted by fr0gman
                Google is just like eBay in that they do not police their listings. In order to attract the gaze of the Google Eye you have to have been reported.

                This post has convinced me to stop listening to anything that you say. You admit to using blackhat tech to help get hits from Google (albeit, old and unproductive tech, but you DID IT nonetheless). Then in the next breath you condemn people for using what is offered successfully.

                I have one last question for you: If your same-colored keywords had made you say $10k would we be having this discussion?

                Your statement reminds me of a story told about the late W.C Fields.

                Mr. Fields was at a posh gathering in London and the subject turned to world?s oldest profession and Fields asked one of the more vocal female conversationalists, ?Would you have sex with me for a million pounds?? To which the female replied, ?Of course, who wouldn?t??. Fields then asked, ?Would you have sex with me for 10 pounds?? and the woman said, ?Of course not. What do you take me for a common whore?? Fields concludes with, ?Madam, we have already established that. Now we are negotiating price.?
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                  • SmokeyTheBear
                    ►SouthOfHeaven
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 28609
                    #80
                    Originally posted by crockett
                    No I happen to hold a few very choice rankings and I've had them for a long time. I've been knocked off the top a time or two, but I always come back. Why? My sites are on target to the related search teams. I don't spam shit and it works well for me.

                    It might take a little time, but I know I will never be banned for doing shady BS. Don't think just because some of us do things legit, means we rank low.

                    Trust me I've thought about wasting a few domains and doing some black hat for the hell of it. Who knows I might try it.. However don't think the only way to get to the top is to be black hat.
                    that wasnt my point at all. I was just questioning the validity of the term " legit" . Optimizing your page for google is un-legit period.. in google's eyes , anything you do to increase your rank , and you and i both know there arent very many sites ( almost ZERO ) including google itself that doesnt do things primarily to increase rank.. Its a double edged sword.. If you create pages and never once did anything to increase your rank , then i commend you for being one of the very few that can make a success using this method..

                    but take the devils advocate approach , when your site didnt rank better it was because the other site ranked higher, nothing less nothing more.. your rank has nothing to do with your ethics.. , sure there are ways to increase your se rank by doing unethical things , i'm not questioning that fact , im saying "black hat seo " and unethical are 2 seperate things
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                      • uno
                        RIP Dodger. BEST.CAT.EVER
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 18450
                        #81
                        Originally posted by Pornwolf
                        Always. When I hear a stugotz making a comment about ratting I think about making a call to Paulie.
                        1 more week and itll be here. I really gotta move my ass to have thesopranos.com ready in time.
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                          • fr0gman
                            Confirmed User
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 2093
                            #82
                            Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                            its funny how you avoided basically every real point in my post ...

                            anyways, the only point i was really trying to get across is its impossible to compete with black hat tactics with sites who value their content and domains and can't and won't risk them getting banned.
                            There were no real points to avoid.

                            If you think anythingon the Internet is "impossible" then you are right.

                            Those who think they CAN and those who think they CAN'T are both correct.

                            Nothing is impossible my furry little Internet friend. You simply have to decided if you are going to take the necessary steps. I believe it was you, in a previous post who say, "i have given up trying". here is nothing I can do for you but assure you that I have NOT stoppped trying.

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                              • Pornwolf
                                Drunk and Unruly
                                • Jan 2002
                                • 22712
                                #83
                                Originally posted by uno
                                1 more week and itll be here. I really gotta move my ass to have thesopranos.com ready in time.
                                Holy shit uno, that domain is gold. Whatcha waitin for?
                                I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

                                Webair, bitches.

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                                  • jjjay
                                    Registered User
                                    • Jun 2005
                                    • 1813
                                    #84
                                    if someone cheats, who gives a fuck. it's the search engines job to find them

                                    it's your job to make money. wasting your time ratting people out doesn't help you, especially as the se's ignore all those complaints anyway

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                                      • chadglni
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Dec 2002
                                        • 6924
                                        #85
                                        Originally posted by Matt 26z
                                        In this case, I don't trust anyone who you'd trust to look at your stats. Obviously you won't let them look, and they'll just come back here and post what you told them to post.
                                        Sigh, here you are donking up another thread with your bullshit. Smokey has shit from one end of the search engines to the other and has for years. You are talking out of your ass again.

                                        Smokey, I think this is the guy that got all pissy because someone redirected a file that myspacers were hotlinking. He is a tool in general.


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                                          • BlackCrayon
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Jun 2003
                                            • 19634
                                            #86
                                            Originally posted by fr0gman
                                            There were no real points to avoid.

                                            If you think anythingon the Internet is "impossible" then you are right.

                                            Those who think they CAN and those who think they CAN'T are both correct.

                                            Nothing is impossible my furry little Internet friend. You simply have to decided if you are going to take the necessary steps. I believe it was you, in a previous post who say, "i have given up trying". here is nothing I can do for you but assure you that I have NOT stoppped trying.

                                            Love it or hate it: SEO is here to stay and will help mold the Googles of tomorrow.
                                            of course nothing is 'impossible' but its obvious to any idiot that people using black hat techniques are going to have an advantage over those who aren't. it seems 'sad' that the 'necessary' steps involve fucking people around. you probably promote spyware toolbars too.
                                            you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                              • baddog
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Apr 2001
                                                • 107089
                                                #87
                                                Originally posted by uno
                                                1 more week and itll be here. I really gotta move my ass to have thesopranos.com ready in time.

                                                that sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen

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                                                  • chadglni
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                    • 6924
                                                    #88
                                                    As pointed out above, using google for any monetary gain is against their TOS. Keep fucking with people on your keywords and watch what happens once they get mad. Difference is you cost them another throwaway domain and they will eventually cost you your lifeline. Don't fuck with Karma, she will bite you in the ass.

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                                                      • BlackCrayon
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                        • 19634
                                                        #89
                                                        Originally posted by chadglni
                                                        As pointed out above, using google for any monetary gain is against their TOS. Keep fucking with people on your keywords and watch what happens once they get mad. Difference is you cost them another throwaway domain and they will eventually cost you your lifeline. Don't fuck with Karma, she will bite you in the ass.

                                                        The Google Services are made available for your personal, non-commercial use only. You may not use the Google Services to sell a product or service, or to increase traffic to your Web site for commercial reasons, such as advertising sales.
                                                        im guessing that tos doesn't apply to adwords?? anyways, black hatters can cost people sites they have worked on for years. the rankings anyways. i don't agree on reporting unless they have spyware on the site perhaps but it just seems like a slippery slope that will turn people off searching.
                                                        you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                          • SmokeyTheBear
                                                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                            • 28609
                                                            #90
                                                            Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                            im guessing that tos doesn't apply to adwords?? anyways, black hatters can cost people sites they have worked on for years. the rankings anyways. i don't agree on reporting unless they have spyware on the site perhaps but it just seems like a slippery slope that will turn people off searching.
                                                            the tos is there so they can make people bend over when they want.. i suggest making your own tos , charge $5000 per link if people want to link to you. then call google black hatters for violating it..

                                                            google got busted last year keyword stuffing to make its own pages more relevent because it own algorithm was showing incorrect ( i.e. irrelevent pages )

                                                            That slippery slope started when google realised the shittier their results the more they make on adwords they should just make the entire thing pps and make bank and cut use the money to monopolize everything else
                                                            hatisblack at yahoo.com

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