Damage...nothing against you...but i deal with big program owners all the time....the difference between 10,000 members and 50,000 members is exclusive content and retention.....

front end conversion is nothing with out retaining the customer as long as possible....it is an out dated model....

Pauls content however is top notch....nothing against that...but i have SEEN the results first hand

sooo not true...99% of all members dont see the difference between exclusive and non-exclusive

I agree with the themed content angle, but not the exclusive angle. Themed and exclusive are two different things.

Eric when you have the balls to post under your real name people might take you seriously.

Dead right.

When you have your dick in your hand watching a girl with a vibrator do you really think the surfer gives a shit if it's exclusive.

The danger of the whole "Exclusive" argument is you lose the real aim, produce a good porn experience.

Themed works, size works and the traffic game. Plus being already ahead of the game.

Exclusive proponents, show us the non themed site that made it in the last 3 years with 100% exclusive and I will show you one that made it with a mix.

Dear Paul,
On one well level I really enjoy reading your posts and seeing how bold you are with your statements, ideas and theories. There are very few people who do this. There are a few who do however and they never put any of their talk into action.
There are people who make a lot of money in this biz and don't say a peep. And it is a shame.
For a lot of people who struggle in this biz or have doubts I do believe that they should really read your posts and take them as words of encouragement!

Paul I find however that for some reason you take things way to literal and seems that you feel like you have your back against the wall trying to defend your statements sometimes. Listen man, you have been in this business for a long time, you have shot some good if not great content. You are highly motivated and really a nice guy and you have made a sucessfull career for yourself. Congrats to you. I would forget all the idiots on this board and just relax and take it easy. Don't worry about all the bullshit cause it is the bullshit that really starts to eat away at you. I know this might be a motivator but I am sure there are a lot better things you can do with your time other then trying to defend yourself. have a beer tonight and enjoy the sunset!

Best B

There is not that many different ways to show porn.

If AW was right why is the average stay on a site 2 months, maybe 3? If the surfer only wanted a site with content "they can ONLY see at your site" why does he move on and where does he move on to?

And how do you keep repeating it and proving again and again, or is it the fact that every girl is in pink panties and a white bra that makes it "Exclusive"?

The porn buyer takes a fix of porn from this site of teens, then that site, then that site, because he's not interested in exclusive. Only in stuff that makes sense and he has not seen before.

Bullshit. 8 years in this business tells me much different. If I post a set of photos that I've sold to someone else I receive emails from members. They're not stupid.

yes, 1 out of 100 will email you, big fucking deal

Man, the fact that you are saying this...well I could school you, but why educate the competetion?


Way to go Paul, keep up the good work.

I'm sure you've learned that for every 1 member who emails you, there are hundreds who feel the same and don't bother.

Paul,

I think I remember telling you to start a paysite based on your own content many many years ago! ;)

LMAO a guy who shoots teen content saying how it's not hard to run a teen paysite... What's next? Don Cornelious coming in here to tell us how it's not hard to run a dance club?

I have seen stats from various programs, exclusive, non-exclusive and the retention wasn't better on the exclusive ones. Im not saying exclusive is bad, but its worthless for general niches, where you can find hundreds of good non-exclusive scenes. Exclusive is good for small niches, special niches, themed sites, etc...

Good shit:)

Hi Paul,

When you get a minute, can you please ICQ me, I've got a question for you.

Thanks :thumbsup

I don't feel like finding the thread where we had another debate and you told me how I could meet up with you in your SUITE that you shared with your wife at the Florida show.

Donny...try not to give too much away....there will always be naysayers on exclusive....

I try to just apply what i know to this biz everday and add what i learn...this argument has been going on for a long time...but i will bet he number of companies that went under with non-exclusive content...heavily outweighs the number that went under with it....

Take a peek at the biggest programs on the web.....how many have exclusive? there must be something to it...

Am I the only person here who knows that EVERY room at the Venetian is a suite? Paul are you saying that you have to shack up at Treasure Island because you can't afford the Venetian?

The simple truth is if non exclusive was so saturated, exclusive shooters would not be working for peanuts. s set has to be sold to get saturated. So why do shooters beg to get $400 for a solo girl set and video? Around 10 sales over it's lifetime at $40.

Or are you saying the guys shooting exclusive can't sell a set/video 10 times? If so can you explain why.

Very true.

You did not read my post properly. I said it's not as hard as some would have you believe.

But I take your point, as one on the top teen shooters in the business it is a little easier. But the edge I have is easily bought. :winkwink:

I'm not denying the effectiveness in getting affiliates to believe Exclusive is the major key to getting sign ups. I'm saying it matters little to the surfer and all the evidence points to me being right on this.

The Adult Internet is built LARGELY on retaining a member long enough to keep him 2 months then upsell or cross sell him to earn enough to pay an affiliate $30 for sending him. If Exclusive retains so well why are all affiliates of Exclusive sites only using REVSHARE?

Yes many of the big programs that started prior to 2000 are using exclusive content. Most of them built up a base that allowed them to build big sites full of exclusive. How many of them retain longer than 3 months on average?

If Exclusive is the key to the paysite door, why do sponsors pay so badly? The money made from shooting exclusive is paltry in most cases.

We are in the business of supplying a product to one of the biggest moving markets in the world. Tell any manufacturer that your business model is based on retaining a customer for 2 months and he will not believe you. We survive because the surfer moves from site to site. He stays within the market for years, though only buying from a site maybe once or twice.

He moves on because to him it's not exclusive, well very little of it is. If he's into Blonde's fucking big black cocks, how many sites offer that niche? If he's into girls getting gang banged, how many sites offer it? Both THEMED.

Now when it comes to cute teens with vibrators his choice is unlimited and the fact that you are the only person with this girl on that sofa, with that dildo is meaningless to a surfer looking to jerk off. The retention/conversion of these sites prove it.

I'm saying good THEMED porn will sell and retain better than a mish mash of porn. My site is themed around me, not as well as I would like but I have time restraints and bigger fish to fry. But a site of "Exclusive" porn is not going to make a surfer sign up, he needs a lot more than that.

Proof also is my conversion ratios and retention. Look at how much work I put into the paysite and the money we make. The sign ups are due to the porn being good and nothing else.

Actually, if anything, I'd say that front-end conversion would be the place where exclusive content would have an edge, if any.

If anything, I would try to look at many other things, in terms of explaining the 40K+ members difference. Such as, how many updates? How oftern? How big? How regular? How many sites do the members get access to, with one pass? These are a few things that highly influence retention, exclusive content or not.

All other things being equal, sure, I'd say exclusive content has an edge. But I'd say, given the overhead costs involved with exclusive content, non exclusive content should be, overall, more profitable, in the long-run. At least in most cases. :)

Then again, there's a profit in using both exclusive and non-exclusive, so what the fuck are we arguing about? If either model was grossly unprofitable, then it wouldn't exist, simple as that. :)