Was 911 an inside job? Check out this new documentary (google video)

[gentmaster]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...81991288263801

Even if 50% of it is true, joe american is so ass raped.

[GiveIntoMe]

let me guess - loose change?

[brand0n]

Originally Posted by GiveIntoMe

let me guess - loose change?

part 2.....

[pr0]

it's already a pretty widely known fact amongst military & govt historians around the world

there is such a thing as "too perfect" of a crime

[G-Rotica]

Things that make you go hmmmm

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by pr0

it's already a pretty widely known fact amongst military & govt historians around the world

there is such a thing as "too perfect" of a crime

With so many loose ends?

Me, I said it was "wag the dog" from the minute I saw it on the news.

its hard to say..but the gov. is crooked

[B O B]

Originally Posted by blueb8llz

its hard to say..but the gov. is crooked

NO? REALLY????

[Big Red Machine]

Thats some crazy shit

[reynold]

9/11 is like Punk'd..................only that the Bush is Kutcher and we are all the victims, minus the fame

[SmokeyTheBear]

google needs to work on long videos and flash ,, their system lags..

not to much new news in the video though..

Some things though were a tad new/suprising..

Most noteably for me was the way they captured the OBVIOUS explosions just below the trade centers as they collapsed.. it was like 2-3 floors below where the building was coming down.. there was at least half dozen..

But some of the biggest concerns for me are about things we KNOW exist that would help us understand what happened better , that we dont get answers on..

Like wheres the video of the pentagon strike.. theres at least 3 known camera films of the actual crash , none have been released to the public..

#1 so put EVERYTHING else aside and say " lets just see the video " , i cant think of any reason why we cant..

#2 the white markings on the pentagon lawn that are in sat photos days before the crash.. what were they and how did they happen to "predict" the flight path of an unknown terrorist plane..

#3 have some scientists and shit explain to us how 100's of tons of steel and titanium in 4 seperate planes vaproize for the first time EVER in recorded history all on the same day, not one drop of blood or any black boxes remained in any of the 4 planes yet a passport flew out of the pocket of one of the highjackers and landed unharmed in the street below...

the third one will take some time but the first 2 are easy to accomplish if nothing shady is going on.

[tony286]

makes strong points but the problem is that type of conspricy would involve a great number of people and no one has come forward about it. hmmmmmmm

[Mr. Soul]

By now it's obvious that the US government was complacent in the attacks, if not outright responsible. The conspiracy theory is that 19 muslims financed by Bin Laden were responsible for the attacks, the standing down of the US air defense, and the whitewash called the 9/11 commission, with no help from inside the government.

The problem is for most people, because they've been taught to accept authority their entire lives, it's so hard to believe something like that that they'd rather just turn a blind eye to the facts. If it's true, it's such a big deal, such an obstacle for the country to work through, that most people would rather have them get away with it than have to deal with it and admit that there were partially responsible for letting the Bush crime family get away with their horrible atrocities against the American people, the Afghani people, the Iraqi people, etc. If it's true people will have to start paying attention to the real world instead of the make believe world 90% of Americans live in. People are so dumbed down and drained of their free will that there's almost no possibility enough people will snap out of it in time to save ourselves.

[Mr. Soul]

Originally Posted by tony404

makes strong points but the problem is that type of conspricy would involve a great number of people and no one has come forward about it. hmmmmmmm

Of course people involved in a situation like this wouldn't come forward, they never do. Does that mean that conspiracies don't happen? Did anyone involved in the Reichstag fire come forward before the Germans lost WWII? Has anyone in Syria come forward about the assassination of Lebanon's former leader? How about the JFK assassination. People will never admit being involved in something like this. They're either deeply involved or being threatened or blackmailed.

Also, people tend to over estimate the amount of people who would have to be involved in something like this. I've heard people say thousands of people would have to know about it. That's nonsense. It would take a handful of planners and a bunch of military/intelligence officers who only know bits and pieces, but obey their orders. Assuming that something like this would be impossible is exactly what the criminals expect most people to do. It's an easy way out of coming to difficult conclusions. This is literally history repeating itself. We know the history of how the Nazi's seized total power, we're watching the Bush administration imitating them step by step, yet we sit and home and do nothing. Each one of us is as responsible for the 100,000+ murders we've committed in Iraq as the German citizens were for the murder of 6 million jews. Next we're going to drop a nuclear weapon on Iran killing millions, and we're going to be sitting at home arguing over whether it was a nuclear bomb, a tactical nuke, a bunker buster, a low yield nuke, etc. Watch, when the bomb is dropped on Iran, that will be the debate on CNN and Fox. Whether or not to call the bomb a nuke or not.

[~Ray]

I watched the whole thing. If they removed the passengers before the crashes.. where are they? Executed?

[stickyfingerz]

Fuckin tinfoil hat nutso fucks.

[Matt_WildCash]

Very interesting video thanks for sharing. After IRAQ and the fake evidence used to start that war, can anyone really say they believe the Bush Govenment isn't capable of doing 9/11? The military would certainly be capable of doing it if they choose too. There is not much the US military can't do with all there technology.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Matt_WildCash

Very interesting video thanks for sharing. After IRAQ and the fake evidence used to start that war, can anyone really say they believe the Bush Govenment isn't capable of doing 9/11? The military would certainly be capable of doing it if they choose too. There is not much the US military can't do with all there technology.

Ya!! for believing an internet tinfoil hat movie.

[kenny]

If they could do all of that.. why not just plant WMD in Iraq?


That would be nothing compared to the 911 conspiracy that is suggested

[LedZep]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Ya!! for believing an internet tinfoil hat movie.

I can't figure out whats more annoying; your posts or Andy Coulters adams apple.

[LedZep]

Originally Posted by kenny

If they could do all of that.. why not just plant WMD in Iraq?


That would be nothing compared to the 911 conspiracy that is suggested

Because they didnt need to, morons like stinkyfingerz now think the war was about liberating people

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by LedZep

I can't figure out whats more annoying; your posts or Andy Coulters adams apple.

Wow your wit got me. You are a smoooth operator.

[bdld]

some people will believe anything i guess.

[Pleasurepays]

i love that people think the worlds dumbest leader pulled off the worlds biggest conspiracy and act of treason in front of the whole world, on live tv, involving a dozen countries (surveillance on the hijackers), 100's of airline employees, 100's of government officials and others and in full daylight in front of 10,000,000 inhabitants of New York... and in spite of the fact that 50% of the US sincerely hates him and most of the world does as well... no convincing evidence has surfaced to at least make people raise an eyebrow? we have only lunatics and conspiracy on top of conspiracy on top of conspiracy to explain the previous conspiracies. and why? because you can't disprove a negative and its a safe position to be in when you are a paranoid lunatic with no real grasp on reality that hates bush for everything bad in the world.

[RAM]

When will it stop

[uno]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

#3 have some scientists and shit explain to us how 100's of tons of steel and titanium in 4 seperate planes vaproize for the first time EVER in recorded history all on the same day, not one drop of blood or any black boxes remained in any of the 4 planes yet a passport flew out of the pocket of one of the highjackers and landed unharmed in the street below...

the third one will take some time but the first 2 are easy to accomplish if nothing shady is going on.

The wreckage in PA was all over. There were body parts all over Ground Zero. From what I've read there were a lot of burned body parts in the pentagon. The other 2 planes flew directly into buildings many times larger than themselves and were simply consumed by the structures and ensuing chaos. There were people hit by parts of the plane on the street in nyc that day.

I've never heard they haven't found any of the 4 black boxes.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by uno

The wreckage in PA was all over. There were body parts all over Ground Zero. From what I've read there were a lot of burned body parts in the pentagon. The other 2 planes flew directly into buildings many times larger than themselves and were simply consumed by the structures and ensuing chaos. There were people hit by parts of the plane on the street in nyc that day.

I've never heard they haven't found any of the 4 black boxes.

If the wreckage in PA was "all over" and im not saying it wasnt , but i havent seen 1 picture.. I have seen plenty of other plane crashes . always see wreckage.. they should just say "here" ( insert picture ) is people dead and brned in PA

Again at ground zero . i never saw bodies of people from an airplane i saw people that jumped from the towers , but i assume if all the bodies landed in the building they would have been disintegrated like evryone else.. either way its pretty clear 2 planes went into the towers because we all saw them crash .. that doesnt confuse me.. the lack of bodies confuses me.. although at ground zero its assumed even if there were bodies it was an extraordinary circumstances so they would likely be gone

At the pentagon there were burned bodies of pentagon people , but i never saw 1 stretcher 1 body being pulled from the pentagon, and i was watching ike everyone else was.. never saw 1 body of a burned passenger..

To satisfy my most buring questions all they need to do is release the several videos of the plane hitting the pentagon.. there is absolutley no reason not to.. That would at least ease my mind and put the whole thing into a much better persepctive to me.. by "NOT" releasing it , it makes me question the validity of any evidence they show us..

[Trax]

video got strong points with the pentagon hit
thats for sure

[Mr. Soul]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i love that people think the worlds dumbest leader pulled off the worlds biggest conspiracy and act of treason in front of the whole world, on live tv, involving a dozen countries (surveillance on the hijackers), 100's of airline employees, 100's of government officials and others and in full daylight in front of 10,000,000 inhabitants of New York... and in spite of the fact that 50% of the US sincerely hates him and most of the world does as well... no convincing evidence has surfaced to at least make people raise an eyebrow? we have only lunatics and conspiracy on top of conspiracy on top of conspiracy to explain the previous conspiracies. and why? because you can't disprove a negative and its a safe position to be in when you are a paranoid lunatic with no real grasp on reality that hates bush for everything bad in the world.

Right genius, people think it was all planned and carried out by George Bush Jr.

Not the CIA, George Bush Sr., and the Saudi Royal family, and other elites. They're not capable of doing something like that. The CIA would never do any covert operation against the US people. Keep living in your little TV dream world.

To say 100's of airline employees and 100's of government officials would have to be knowingly involved is about the dumbest thing you could say.

[Relish XXX]

The great thing with Americans is that when you say to them that the government could do something like this alot of them start spitting out unpatroitic bollocks.

[Theo]

1 hr 21 min 50 sec

i'm not sure if i'm that curious to find out lol

[Quagmire]

I have a copy of it. Great documentary. Like anything else it has its spin (not to the extreme Michael Moore's stuff does) but at the same time they bring up valid points and you get to see news footage that we haven't seen since the day all this shit happened.

I remember listening to the news and they had eye witnesses saying how the PA flight was shot down by a fighter. Soon that story turned into the heroes on the plane trying to take the plane back from the terrorists.

People cloud the issue of blame though. The more people directly blame Dubya, the more it looks like tinfoil hat time.

[Theo]

I'm sure we didn't hear the whole truth on what happened. I have no doubt the hijacks took place as described and passengers were inside. My main questions is if the US homeland security knew about that and if they could prevent it or not.

[Matt_WildCash]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Ya!! for believing an internet tinfoil hat movie.

Never said I believed it, but I do believe Bush would be capable of it if he wanted to do it. USA is not uncorruptable as so many people once thought (including myself).

I said it was "Interesting" and it is. I love a good conspiricy theory. Especially one that has some pretty interesting evidence behind it.

[Matt 26z]

Originally Posted by tony404

makes strong points but the problem is that type of conspricy would involve a great number of people and no one has come forward about it. hmmmmmmm

Why does everyone think it would have taken a large number of people?

9-11 as we currently know it took 19 hijackers and a small handful to implement the plan. Why does a government conspiracy need to involve hundreds of people?

[supermann]

This vid is crazy, makes you really think. I tried watching some parts again, but there seems to be no vid anymore..anyone?

[Linkster]

its totally amazing how many times little things get left out of the big picture - just some facts if ya want them - otherwise I dont really care - the day that this happened all of the civilian radar/traffic controllers had fake inserts on their radars for an exercise the Air Force was conducting (this has also been given as the reason that no fighters were scrambled to prevent any of this) - the exercise involved the game plan of terrorists hijacking civilian planes and flying them into tall buildings - it had originally been scheduled for October of 2001 but was moved up to this date at the last minute.
Over the past year prior to 911 - fighters had been scrambled 68 times to intercept "errant" flight paths - on 911 Cheney was at the Air Force base in charge of the war planning exercise and gave the word to NOT scramble any fighters when informed of the planes (at the time he made the decision the plane that went down in Pa was not even in the air yet)

More importantly - and many that werent around back in the day - in the 1940s a B25 flew headlong into the Empire State Building in NYC - and I can guarantee you that the building never disintegrated - its still there if memory serves.

There is a new video out on DVD (if anyone is interested I can get you the info) that was recorded on DV film and copied by the owner (a tourist) that explicitly shows and has the sounds recorded of the explosives going off in Bldg 7 of the WTC (the one that was never hit but fell anyway) and shows the chain of explosions as they ripple up the inside of the building and has been authenticated by many explosive experts as timed shape charges being used.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Linkster

its totally amazing how many times little things get left out of the big picture - just some facts if ya want them - otherwise I dont really care - the day that this happened all of the civilian radar/traffic controllers had fake inserts on their radars for an exercise the Air Force was conducting (this has also been given as the reason that no fighters were scrambled to prevent any of this) - the exercise involved the game plan of terrorists hijacking civilian planes and flying them into tall buildings - it had originally been scheduled for October of 2001 but was moved up to this date at the last minute.
Over the past year prior to 911 - fighters had been scrambled 68 times to intercept "errant" flight paths - on 911 Cheney was at the Air Force base in charge of the war planning exercise and gave the word to NOT scramble any fighters when informed of the planes (at the time he made the decision the plane that went down in Pa was not even in the air yet)
.

Lets be realistic. we dont know any of that is true. we only have third party "guesses" and "opinions" we arent radar controllers and i havent seen 1 verifiable radar controller that verifies any of this or any with any validity.

Originally Posted by Linkster

More importantly - and many that werent around back in the day - in the 1940s a B25 flew headlong into the Empire State Building in NYC - and I can guarantee you that the building never disintegrated - its still there if memory serves.
.

The b52 wasn't fully loaded with a higher temperature burning fuel for a cross country trip, it was a short haul.

Originally Posted by Linkster

There is a new video out on DVD (if anyone is interested I can get you the info) that was recorded on DV film and copied by the owner (a tourist) that explicitly shows and has the sounds recorded of the explosives going off in Bldg 7 of the WTC (the one that was never hit but fell anyway) and shows the chain of explosions as they ripple up the inside of the building and has been authenticated by many explosive experts as timed shape charges being used.

Never trust something that cost momey to tell you the truth.. i saw a video of an alien autopsy , it doesnt make it real. , from what i heard bldg 7 cuaght fire from burning debris , then ignited some diesel tanks or something that caused the collapse That being said i'm not fully convinced bldg 7 came down on its own accord..

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Why does everyone think it would have taken a large number of people?

9-11 as we currently know it took 19 hijackers and a small handful to implement the plan. Why does a government conspiracy need to involve hundreds of people?

very true , even though if it did take place there were likely "HUNDREDS" of people involved , they just dont all realise they ARE involved..

i.e. the people that confiscated the videos showing the pentagon strike. they were just told to take them , they werent told why .. its whoever is hiding them we need to worry about

[BuggyG]

where the pics of that tinfoiled hat guy??

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by BuggyG

where the pics of that tinfoiled hat guy??

they sent him to guantanamo.

[crockett]

I finally watched this because I was bored last night. I will say that I have always discredited the conspiracy theories of extra explosions bringing down the towers. I mean the fires from the jets, and the fact that the jets crashed into the building seemed likely enough as the real reason. Especially being I watched it have on live television.

I will say that I've always thought there was more to 9/11 than what we know about, I mean the money trail is very interesting and the facts that certain people were told not to fly always ringed warning bells for me.

Now talking about the money issue, this video goes in to great detail about the many airline stocks that were shorted on 9/11.. Every one of the airlines were way above their normal % of short's. So it's clear some big money knew something was up.

The most interesting thing to me in this video is if you fast forward to 53:00 in the video. A camera was set up on a tripod filming from across the street. 15 seconds before the one tower collapsed the camera shook from the vibration of some sort of explosion. Shortly after that happened, the building went down.

If you rewind a few mins earlier to 49:00 it talks in more of the detail about seismic activity and shows some questionable plums of smoke that the narrator is implying is preset explosions. There are also all kinds of clips of firefighters talking about several explosions all over the place.

I still don't buy into the whole conspiracy thing, but I do think this video was done pretty well, and they did a lot of research for it. There is a lot of info in this film that can be easily discredited, but there is also a lot of questions brought up by it, for me.

Personally I think it's worth the watch.. save the tin foil hat remarks, because this video does have an agenda, but it does show a lot of backed up interesting facts.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by crockett

INow talking about the money issue, this video goes in to great detail about the many airline stocks that were shorted on 9/11.. Every one of the airlines were way above their normal % of short's. So it's clear some big money knew something was up.
.

keep in mind the total "profit" from the airline stocks sales wer 2 million dollars , not exactly an incentive for mudering thousands of people.. you could rob a big bank and get twice that with half the terrorists and kill nobody..

[crockett]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

keep in mind the total "profit" from the airline stocks sales wer 2 million dollars , not exactly an incentive for mudering thousands of people.. you could rob a big bank and get twice that with half the terrorists and kill nobody..

yea but that was a small part of the money.. look at the insurance policy that was paid out on the buildings. That was like 5 billion wasn't it? Then there are the questions about the billions of dollars of gold that was stored in the WTC vaults. lots of different reports on how much was lost and how much was recovered.

I'm not saying money would have been a reason it was done, but rather more of proof (at least in the stocks) that some people knew something was going to happen.

So the conspiracy I think about, is who knew enough about what was going to happen, that they were able to profit by shorting the stocks. Again I don't really buy into the conspiracy theories, but I do think some high up's knew something was going to happen.

[xxxdesign-net]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

That being said i'm not fully convinced bldg 7 came down on its own accord..

Please.. Larry Silversteen, the owner of the buildings admitted it on the air... "we had to pull down bulding 7" ..

[Jarmusch]

Just finished watching the whole video, I had seen/read about some of the points in this video. The one I find more intriguing is the several small explosions that they zoom in and highlight when the towers are collapsing. You see them occur sequentially from top to bottom. If that isn't a controlled implosion, I don't know what is. The recordings of the firefighters communications and from people that made it out of the buildings confirm that there were several explosions going on in there.

And Bin Laden writting with his right hand cracked me up.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

Please.. Larry Silversteen, the owner of the buildings admitted it on the air... "we had to pull down bulding 7" ..

thats true



i love this video watching it for the first time now

[Furious_Male]

[CraigA]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i love that people think the worlds dumbest leader pulled off the worlds biggest conspiracy and act of treason in front of the whole world, on live tv, involving a dozen countries (surveillance on the hijackers), 100's of airline employees, 100's of government officials and others and in full daylight in front of 10,000,000 inhabitants of New York... and in spite of the fact that 50% of the US sincerely hates him and most of the world does as well... no convincing evidence has surfaced to at least make people raise an eyebrow? we have only lunatics and conspiracy on top of conspiracy on top of conspiracy to explain the previous conspiracies. and why? because you can't disprove a negative and its a safe position to be in when you are a paranoid lunatic with no real grasp on reality that hates bush for everything bad in the world.

Are you that ignorant to think he's responsible for ANYTHING going on in this country the last 5 plus years. He's a puppet, a rubber stamper. His old man, Cheney, Rumsfeld those are the men with power in Washington. There are forces in the US way more powerful than that shit kicking C student from Texas. That guy couldn't find his way out of the White House without a map.
Evidence? It's all speculation but let your intellect be your guide. It stinks to high heaven and look where we are now. You'll never know the REAL truth. I mean we're still trying to figure out who really killed JFK over 40 years ago.

[suesheboy]

worth viewing the whole thing.

Damn we are fucked.