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Ted

I bet that outlet pipe leads to microsoft

Lev

it probably takes 2 hours before it flushes

Fletch XXX

I was just drooling over the Apple Cinema Display I am going to get soon!

Macs will always be superior in speed and professionality. Dual G4 180 Gigs, yummy!

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Fletch XXX

Don't ask me man, I just make shit up as I go.

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Amputate Your Head

sounds like a George W word there..... "professionalitivity"

Gemini

Mac made an exciting announcement this after noon as well...

Excerpted--

Today Mac is excited to announce we NOW have 4... FOUR, not just the old 3 programs that WILL run on our systems for under $2000!! --

Amputate Your Head

ROFLMMFAO!!! How true...

Fletch XXX

I see I am outnumbered...

All I can say is this, in professional environments, Mac and its dominant applications and processors are vital.

All major recording studios use Macs. As for graphics and audio, Mac will always be the Tyrant in this processing battlefield, I have a quote somewhere here regarding a Pentium test and Macintoshs G3 at 300 Mhz completed a filter in 3 times shorter time lapse, and the Pentium was Pentium 3 at 700 Mhz... this was published by Intel, Not an Apple affiliate.

Macintosh/Apple has always been regarded as non consumer level, and its priced accordingly. It is a Supercomputer, again, non consumer level, which Windows and its GUI based version of the mac OS will always been shaky and consumer level. Macs offer much more definable personal parameters, whereas Windoze, wants to do everything for you, and take control of your machine, the Mac allows you to become the Superuser.

Why would someone just needing to get online need a 22 inch Cinema display? They don't, but I do, and every design studio or recording studio I have worked in has been mac based.

Pro Tools and its digital audio software and hardware combination runs in excess of 17k, yeah its not for people who sit at home and do graphics, and claim to be pro. Same with AVID software and the digital Video suites of today, sitting at home ragging on Mac is not only silly, its just a level at which you may choose to remain.

Sure iMacs are funny, but we are talking serious power and graphic applications, along side the powerful and well respected technology of the G4 monstrosity...not your cracked copy of Photoshop 6 you got. The price of Photoshop or the Adobe bundle doesnt matter to someone like me, I know I can make it back soon, and besides, its a tax write off for anyone considering this more than hobby.

I love these ole Mac VS PC moments hehehe, im proud to own them all, Im always outnumbered hehehe... I have every mac from the 9600 - the Dual G4, and am also owner of every Windoze make from Win 93 -XP.

Its all good boys, its good to know both. But those who do, know the difference.

I've often seen people use the price tag on Mac as the reason to not buy... you get what you pay for. Is it the cheap cracked software you rely on to make money? Or do you wanna step up and go pro, hehehe... this should stir up a big enough wave for the mac VS Pc war.... let the Droid Wars continue!

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Amputate Your Head

why is it the Mac lovers always feel the need to justify how "great" and "superior" the Mac is versus the pc? Are you trying to convince us.... or yourself?

Fletch XXX

Found some URLs for the benchmarks and accuracy of my processor claims, Apple will always win, hands down.

"302% faster than the Pentium based system encoding DVD" - That says alot.

ZNET Tests...

http://www.zdnet.com/products/storie...631552,00.html

"The new dual 1 GHz Power Mac G4 outperforms the fastest Pentium 4-based PC systems on the market today in real-world application tests involving imaging, video and scientific analysis," Power Mac product manager Todd Benjamin told NewsFactor.

http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/16364.html

They don't make em for toddlers

Damn those tests get me hot!

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" I've often seen people use the price tag on Mac as the reason to not buy... you get what you pay for. Is it the cheap cracked software you rely on to make money?"

... it´s all microsoft anyway, the only difference is: mac users are stupid enough to pay the extra money ...



"why is it the Mac lovers always feel the need to justify how "great" and "superior" the Mac is"

... so true, so true, so true !!

Fletch XXX

hehehe Amp, I'm just sitting here relaxing digging up info on my latest purchase man, let me play with my new toys and prove to myself they're worth the thousands I invest in them

I never thought of it that way heheh I love both but prefer Mac

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LoveAsianChicks

This is a fact:

Macs kick ass for doing graphic/audio.
Many companies use Macs!

However the Mac sucks cock at everything else.Your average webmaster basically needs to check e-mail, run ftp, an html editor, ICQ, paintshop, etc.... The PC is the choice!!!

Macs have a very limited selection of software and the interface looks horrible.
(like windows 3.1)

Go to a computer store and you see a tiny section for Mac software, and the PC software section is 800X larger.
Its stupid to buy a Mac unless you plan to design graphics for movies or run a recording studio.

davvve

I totally agree. The PCs are cheaper too, if you assemble it yourself.

boldy

[HI, i'M A FUCKING MAC]


I just want to share the fact: I think that MAC sux ass.... And a fact that is.....

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hey, at least they look sweet. c'mon guys, the new iMac looks absolutely terrific !

boldy

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LoveAsianChicks

iMac looks nice but that is the problem.
My girlfriend wants me to buy her an iMac with a pink cover because it looks "cute".
A few grand just because its cute.
Fucking iMac

X37375787

dude, i don't know whatchu think of your boring beige & squared box - but I just think that the iMac design rocks. can't help it.

X37375787

woohoo !

boldy

It's quite flat and like a laptop kind of shape... and it kicks ass. I must say that the design of the new imac rox, but the OS sux,

THE Solution Mac OSx

I tell you, they fucked up the kernel bigtime to get it this far...

Anyway, i had a design company, i was the technical programmer/ceo over there, one fact: may b the mac's dont suck, the mac users suck ass. Reminds me of the old days, PC express BBS' vs Amiga BBS systems...

My

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Pornwolf

That's funny!

I have been tempted to buy a Mac a few times only because they look cool and all the cool people have them. Then I remember I can't run most of the programs I like on it.

I'd much rather build a PC with 2 of those new 15,000 rpm SCSI drives, a dual p4 motherboard & chips and 2 gigs of ram(and an extra refrigerator to cool that stove off). I can get that for half of a what a G4 costs!

Equinox, if you can show me that a Mac can beat the speed in that I'll convert to the darkside tomorrow!

bhutocracy

it's just a pity that imacs are shit.. sure i'll give a workstation mac a few props.. but imacs are receptionists computers.. i lectured multimedia applications like flash on them for the last year and a half and they suck... badly..

also fletch you ought to know that the cpu clocks of the different manufacturers are different.. saying a 300mhz mac processor is as fast as a 700mhz intel looks impressive... but the mac one is no faster.. it's not like they had a 700mhz model at the time and they said "hey even our 300mhz one is faster".. AMD have a similar thing where a 1.8 Ghz AMD chip is equivalent to a 2.2 intel.. what you've got to look at is the price per performance ratio.. and thats where pc's stick it to macs.. sure their chips are as fast as the PC chips.. but you can build a PC far cheaper.. or for the same price but with more bang for the buck

the reason a lot of professional design places use macs is just leftover platform dependence.. macs USED to be THE design machine.. the people that run a lot of those places are still macolytes.. this will all slowly change.. just as design has slowly migrated towards PC's.. the only stronghold macs have left is the video arena... at my last job we had an avid system with a mac g3 that had an ice card - 10 g3 cpu's in one graphics chip.. and it kicked ass.. but all it's going to take is the cost effectiveness of of pc's or the NT/2000 based SGI's to shine through and that will be another area lost to pc's.. when it comes down to it.. the platform doesn't mean shit.. sure i've loathed every macos up to X but they're still decent machines.. the fact is that with most programs being multi-platform these days (hell mac is finally catching up in 3d) it doesn't matter whether you see a windows or a mac logo on startup.. it's whether you got as much grunt for your money to get the most work done in as short as time as possible..

bhutocracy

the look of the machine shouldn't mean dick.. you can get all sorts of cases these days to sex up the "beige box".. and even though i have a funky case.. if you gave me the option between a kick ass machine in a boring box.. and a slower machine that looked like it could hover on water.. i'd take the beige thing to the bank.. hell.. i work in a little room that no-one else sees.. who gives a fuck..

jeez.. it's the person not the machine anyways

Pornwolf

Soooo True, Sooo True!


If a person who only knows how to use paintshop has a fully blown out dual G4 with all the programs on it goes head to head with a person who knows how to use fireworks who only has a 133mhz with 64 megs of ram, The person with the know how wins every time.

By the way, posting articles from 2000 don't help your Mac argument.

X37375787

have I mentioned any performace yet ? no ... I'm just sayin that they look nice damnit

Pornwolf

I'll be waiting

X37375787

there is nothing to wait for.... i'm just saying they look nice.... shall I repeat ?

Amputate Your Head

no fucking question about it.

RedShoe

FeltchXXX wrote : "All major recording studios use Macs. "

What is that based on? Your own work history? Or is based an actual survey? Just curious.

I see later you went on to say, " Don't ask me man, I just make shit up as I go."
Ok, so disregard my previous questions.


http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~umar/pcvsmac.html

I'm not sure about the audio industry, but I know that a lot of graphics companies, that do 3D based work for movies, use PC and SGI. My friend at ILM says they use PC and SGI for the majority of their work, and Mac for just a little bit of the work.

He used to work for Blur studios, and they were 100% PC. He will soon be going to Phil Tippet Studios, again all PC.


Here is a quote from a pro Mac website.
"First of all, let me make things perfectly clear. I am not against Macintosh computers in any way. As a matter of fact, I'm a quite experienced Mac user myself. I have extensively worked with all different kinds of Macs-from the good old 5400 series to the top-of-the-line G3's-at work. They are not flawless for certain, but they are descent machines. Although I 'm a Mac user, this doesn't mean that I suck (as the title of this web page may have suggested,) because this website is not targeted at Mac users like me. I can, like many mature computer users out there, appreciate the beauties of a well-designed machine, whether it's a Mac or a PC. The type of Mac users who suck big time are those narrow-minded nutcase Mac addicts, who look at PC's as a pile of shit or something(pardon my language). They don't want to learn anything about the advancements in the PC world, they compare the strength of a 286 with that of a G3, and the most sickening part is that they think of themselves as better people or something. These Mac users are like the members of some weirdo cult. In fact, I worry about them sometimes. If PC takes over the computer world one day, they will probably seek a heaven-gate type of solution."



This was found in a 3D newsgroup:
all serious animation work on the PC is going to be done on NT anyway. And if you are talking about their professional rather than consumer OS then you can include Softimage/XSI, Maya, 3d studio max, Lightwave, Houdini, Lightscape etc etc etc.


Macs are still very far behind for 3d. Lightwave barely works at all, its so buggy its almost unuseable, Maya is "coming" but not production proven (not to mention a version behind the NT/SGI versions) and there are no comparable 3d accelerators on the mac for the higher end PC based cards.


>Gee, I wonder why so much feature film work and

>commercial production work is being done on G4s?


I guess it's because People still like their macs. Macs still have a much greater stronghold in 2d design than the 3d/post industries. Every large FX company now has PC based render farms, whether they are using NT or Linux, and many are using NT based versions of SI/Maya because the hardware is so much cheaper than SGI's and they canrt use macs because the software they use isnt available at all.


Get a PC, you wont regret it if you want to do 3d at a serious level.


>along with more expense and hellish config and

>operation problems


My PC hasn't crashed in 3 months. Guess it's just horses for courses, but Macs seem to hate me and die as soon as I touch them."



On a personal note. I work in a physical/special makeup fx studio, and my boss, is a mac user. There are about 3 other Macs in the studio, and I brought in a PC I had at home to use (which i'm using right now). These Macs have to be rebooted at least 2 or 3 times a day. No joke. I hear that stupid BWAAAAHHHhhhh.... noise it seems like 2 or 3 times a day. The funny thing is that the 3 people that use these macs also have Macs at home, and when I laugh at them restarting all the time, it doesn't bother them. Why? Because it's completely normal to them. They have to restart their home macs all the time as well.

I ask my boss why he still uses mac, he replies with "for the graphics". WHAT FUCKING GRAPHICS?!?!?!?! All we do is make-up on people!

His brother (Churchy) is the one that set up Kevin with all the Mac stuff years ago. Based on a theory that Macs are better. By the way, Churchy now uses a Dell as his home PC, because he was tired of his MAC. Hmmm... He convinced his brother to outfit his business with Mac, and now churchy uses mac. Churchy, is a hardcore BornAgain-Christian (I based http://BornAgain-Christians.com on him), and is very set in his thinking, and in his ways, yet he converted from ProMac to ProPC. Hopefully, I can convert him from a christian to just being normal.

So, back to the graphics...
He uses photoshop to alter people's faces to show producers, so they can see what the end result will be. And believe me, he's not so good that he would ever know the difference between PC or Mac. He may as well fuck with images in Paint Shop Pro, or even Wndows paint.

Damn, I need to go have a few stiff drinks. I can't believe how worked up this topic makes me feel. Now I see how holy wars start.

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great post Redshoe...

Macs are great for PRINT graphic work. Virtually all professional printers will use them (or at least they used to last time I checked.....) and tell you the same thing. But for EVERYTHING else under the sun.... macs are a waste of desk space and better off being used to prop the door open to get a cool breeze going. And if someone is buying one because it's "pretty" or "cool".... that person doesn't deserve a computer anyway. They just want a big glob of multicolored plastic sitting there on the desk to say to their friends, "Look how pretty!"

who fucking cares what the system LOOKS like. I don't even see mine.... they're buried away behind my actual work space... which is how it should be anyway.... my audio gear and the Middle Atlantic rack it's in is pretty... that's why it's in my living room on display.... but my audio gear is for entertainment. Not making a living. My computers are pure function. And I have never, and will...... never...... own a Mac for any reason.

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i don't give a rat's ass about Amp's or Shoe's opinion anyway.

Macs rule.

FATPad

If Apple computer hadn't been incredibly mismanaged we would all be on Macs now.

But they were, and we're not, so who cares?

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Pornwolf

I appreciate your Mac Dedication.

You remind me of those great Americans that were hanging with Custer Drinking whisky in the Alamo courtyard when he said "Our Army Can't be beat!"

That's true belief & dedication. I applaud you for it.


Even though everybody died due to our massive lack of power and redundancy much like Macs compared to PC's!

Amputate Your Head

The mac users care.... but that's about all.

jimmyf

I did some Scale work at a Landfill (Garbage Dump)
in San Jose some years ago and was very surprised to find out that Steve Jobs was the major owner..

and above is true...

I guess he needed a place to put all those Apple's
and Mac's...

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I wasn't serious with my statement. I don't really have an opinion about Macs (cuz I don't know enough), never owned one and probably never will.

I was just being an ass

FATPad

LOL True.

My friend is a Macnatic. I sometimes think he needs to be institutionalized.

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LMAOF

Fletch XXX

Im not gonna argue this, Ive been arguing for Macs on mesaage boards since 95, not worth my time heheh...

My expererience, I have worked in a few top recording studios in the United States, Boiler Room (New Orleans) under Marc Bingham (REM Out Of Time Awards- HOLE - World Known Studio of 2 in new Orleans) Kings Way Studio (New Orleans) Rumbo Recordings (California- Guns N Roses, ZZ Top, etc....) Cats Studio(White Zombie, Faith No More)and Track Record (Slayer, TOOL).... i've way more experience than you might epxect in this field an in others...

I also know CD Design studios here, and almost every CD Graphic by Discmakers and other CD Houses all graphics are done on a mac, including a local "Silk Screen Design Friend" does all designs on a Mac and then has them transferred, Im not gonna fight all of you in what I chose to use.

Kinkos, all mac. Any friendly graphic environment is mac, by choice, they arent running old 9600's here, studios get new fucking G4 everytime the chip increases, just like a PC dealer.

As I have said I own 6 Pc's and 2 Macs, and Ill most likely buy a new Pc and a New Mac within the next 3 months, knowing these programs and what my studio use calls for, if I sat here saying Mac sucks, I wouldnt be able to push a button in a studio. Im talking 48 tracks stretched across 2 monitors, and youre complaining about not being able to run some "Thumb Making Program from download.com" 2 different levels man, way different levels...

I work on Pro Tools with my music side, I have always said music is my first priority, this Adult Webmaster "gig" just pays the bills... while you guys are choosing I'm mastering both

So I was a lil high last night and posted a few silly benchmark URLs.... hehehe just talking shit, anyone who knows the difference doesnt need to be sold on mac. I see Pro-PC guys, complain more about their OS then growing with it, and do not say Mac and Zeroz didnt event the mouse and GUUI, which IBM compatibles have always tried to mimick.

This was never about iMacs, I dont own an iMac.

I also run an old Atari ST for hardwired Midi, do you even know what all this is? I have been an avid electronic musician since 94, and both Atari and Mac hold the time for Midi Resolution and its tightness. MPC and Sympte timecode.

"A few grand just because its cute. "

LoveAsianChicks, youre wrong, iMacs were designed and released for comsumers, they were NEVER a "few grand." Not even with the DVD... another thing people mistake, my mac burns DVD and has done so for over a long time, is Pc finally catching up? This machine wasnt made for you or your girlfriend it was made for me....? These come with DVD burners, do you need to drop 2 gig files to disc? No, but I do.

I aint talking iMacs, that was just to take back a bit of the market, which the sales on iMacs will never be topped "by quarterly results"... much like the Performa, I own one of those too ;) That is nothing compared to a real mac set up.

Again, no need to argue, just wanted to ramble a few points... enjoy, and again theres nothing sweeter than 22 inch Cinema Display and 180 gigs burning DVD mmmm....

BTW I dont even connect my Macs to the Internet, thats NOT what I bought them for, its like buying a tapedeck to record verses 24 digital tracks, I guess Im just on a different level and in a different frame of mind.

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Kimmykim

So what colors does it come in? ;)

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click the pic

[Labret]

I just bought a Mac yesterday, my first one.

I am still trying to figure this shit out, these things are confusing as hell.

Its a MacG4 with OS X... bizarre, its fucking unix.

It took me the better part of yesterday just trying to get this fucker to work with my router.

I am off to buy more ram.

Fletch, whats is a good mp3 ripper? this iTunes is some slow fucking shit.

Fletch XXX

Try, http://www.macamp.com I dont really play Mp3s on my Macs. But I know SoundJam and MusicMatch as well as MacAmp are all okay for the Mac.

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RedShoe

I love my macintosh.
And it loves me.

In fact it loves me so much, it FUCKS ME EVERYDAY!!!

RedShoe

http://www.cyberspacehq.com/downloads/home.cfm

"Downloads
If you are a registered licensee of any of our products, downloading any of the trial versions (Same Version number) below will keep your registered status, while updating your computer with the most current version. If you are not a registered licensee, the program will operate in 'Trial' mode after it is installed.

Macintosh users: Please note that our software as of current versions have been designed for Windows PCs, and we do not support the use of emulators for Macintosh. Some users have reported success with this method, however we do not offer technical support for users who are doing this."



Damn!

Pornwolf

Fletch, don't fall for the trick! I have worked in all the major recording studios (as a major label A&R/Producer) so I can say I've seen pro tools set up in every configuration imaginable! I've been more impressed with the setup when put on PC's with SCSI drives for the working hard drives instead of IDE. It's cheaper and more expandable. I have a very famous freind that uses his sony VAIO laptop to record full songs when on the road! You could do that on a Mac laptop but let's be honest, there's more power in PC laptops these days.

I only have one thing to say about Non media Mac usage...

No Right Click?!?!

zubr

Mac sucks balls.. why would you even give it your attention.

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