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SmokeyTheBear · 03-01-2006, 06:39 PM

recommending we promote guba ??

"
<option value="http://www.amateurmoney.com" Selected>*** GFY Recommends: ***</option>
<OPTION value="http://www.guba.com/static/revshare.phtml?gfy">GUBA</option>
<OPTION value="http://www.ibill.com/default.cfm?campaignID=GFY010">Ibill</option>
"

I dont think anyone got any sort of real answer, yet they are added to your list of recommended programs..

I also notice the guba skin is still hiding in the page source , so i take it its going back.. ??

Are you aware that they are selling exclusive playboy content for alot cheaper than your programs ? are you aware they are also selling hundred/thousands of other sites content ?

If so and you still recommend them then it would be nice to know . I have foreigners waiting to upload playboy dvd rips to the usenet so i can sell them for a fraction of the price..

If anyone else wants to get in at the ground floor let me know , dont let gfy be the first company to "push the envelope" why let them make money off stolen content when you can make money off the same stolen content ( of course when i say stolen i dont mean stolen i mean " the usenet has been around for 20 years " )

SmokeyTheBear · 03-01-2006, 06:39 PM

we wont even start with why ibill is still there

StuartD · 03-01-2006, 06:41 PM

obsessing a bit much over this?

StatsJunky · 03-01-2006, 06:41 PM

Im sure any content that is part of the adult.com network has already been blocked by Guba. Therefore it is still money in the bank to have them advertise here.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Ice · 03-01-2006, 06:41 PM

This looks like a good place to sit and have a beer

Ice · 03-01-2006, 06:41 PM

This looks like a good place to sit and have a beer

SmokeyTheBear · 03-01-2006, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StatsJunky

Im sure any content that is part of the adult.com network has already been blocked by Guba. Therefore it is still money in the bank to have them advertise here.

Correct me if I am wrong.

nah , tons of adult.com content littering guba , looks like they removed a few things the day after the guba skin drama , but theres tons more there still. They just did that to save face..

HorseShit · 03-01-2006, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice

This looks like a good place to sit and have a beer

corona here

chaze · 03-01-2006, 07:41 PM

Didn't last long though, I'm thinking they got the boot when people called GFY on it. Could be very wriong though.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-01-2006, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaze

Didn't last long though, I'm thinking they got the boot when people called GFY on it. Could be very wriong though.

click view source.. on any gfy page they are still there

brand0n · 03-01-2006, 07:52 PM

+ibill... thats a riot

Damian_Maxcash · 03-01-2006, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

click view source.. on any gfy page they are still there

I noticed that - I hope they rot in hell - I really dont those people at all.

Pornwolf · 03-01-2006, 08:19 PM

Highest bidder. Nuff said.

Young · 03-01-2006, 08:23 PM

ibill????????? LMAO

Sosa · 03-01-2006, 08:25 PM

fuck guba

SmokeyTheBear · 03-01-2006, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Highest bidder. Nuff said.

thats cool but let us know so we know we should sell our adspace to the highest bidder as well ( i.e. why promote adult.com when i can promote the same content at a much cheaper price ) if adult.com's motto is "highest bidder nuff said" then what they are really saying is " dont promote our programs pormote guba because you will make better money selling the same content + 1/3 million new pics/videos every day "

and it also brings a whole new avenue of profit.. if promoting access to stolen content is "accepted" then it means anyone not using drm or other methods to protect their content is "fair game" and it would be ok for me to pay people in countries that dont follow international copyright laws to rip content place it on usenet and me to sell access to it..

TheLegacy · 03-01-2006, 08:43 PM

right now I am sure Lensman is not thinking of how we are feeling on the whole issue - what is going through his mind is $$.

Does he loose a paying client who at this point may be asking for his money back - or does he potentially loose some posters who can be future advertisers. truth is that no matter which way it goes Lens will win and he knows it.

Ban Guba and sponsors will break the door down in support but he looses the payment or at least partial paid back to Guba for a failed attempt.

Allow Guba and sponsors MAY hesitate but once the drama increases thats all Lens needs to show that the board brings out webmasters and I will guarantee the next in line for 'skin' will pay next to double since everyone will recognize its there after guba is gone.

Lens really couldn't care less what webmasters think on the subject - what he is doing is considering how much if any money should be returned.

thats my guess - probably wrong - but from what I see, is a likely scenario

SmokeyTheBear · 03-01-2006, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLegacy

right now I am sure Lensman is not thinking of how we are feeling on the whole issue - what is going through his mind is $$.

i dont doubt that , but how "we" feel is how lensman makes his money right..

If people think gfy is "highest bidder" takes all, not only will it decrease the value of the ad space , but allowing "guba" of all people could only hurt his/adult.coms future in promoting a program that sells the same content for a cheaper price.. not to mention the fact the content is no longer exclusive..

Pornwolf · 03-01-2006, 08:54 PM

I think you are right. Honestly I don't think he gives a shit either way. He cashed out for a nice figure with at least 6 zeros at the end.

TheLegacy · 03-01-2006, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i dont doubt that , but how "we" feel is how lensman makes his money right..

If people think gfy is "highest bidder" takes all, not only will it decrease the value of the ad space , but allowing "guba" of all people could only hurt his/adult.coms future in promoting a program that sells the same content for a cheaper price.. not to mention the fact the content is no longer exclusive..

I guess thats the operative word "how we feel" - the fact is that no matter how angry we all get, who is going to stop coming here? Lensman knows that - and as much as we can prove how wrong Guba or anyone else is what matters at the end of the day is "hits". Whoever has the hits has the power.

Lens doesnt care if they are friendly hits or not - I sincerely wish that it was the case that they did the right thing and stood up for the webmaster and other content companies, but I highly doubt they will. Unless it affects someones bottom dollar - Lens will continue to promote to future advertisers that he has the most webmaster hits and interest out there.

Is what Guba is doing wrong? ABSOLUTELY - and why aren't they prepared to do the noble thing - the right thing and stop it? Because of $$. They have sold their soul and we know it... and deep down... sadly... maybe those who make the decisions at GFY have already.

emthree · 03-01-2006, 09:24 PM

Lensman probably reads these boards once a month now.
Maybe the mods can give him a ring.

TheLegacy · 03-02-2006, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emthree

Lensman probably reads these boards once a month now.
Maybe the mods can give him a ring.

honestly - our concerns are too small for him to be bothered - Lens is above coming to the boards and commenting unless it will seriously affect his income and I dont see that happening from anyone here hurting his bottom line. He has learned what the few of us already know - one days drama is buried and within a week - it's gone. Only a few remember it enough to drag it up again in the future.

we simply are not the webmasters / posters that have the dollars to make any necessary changes on Lens mind. Simple as that - we are only 'hits'

Nicky · 03-02-2006, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i dont doubt that , but how "we" feel is how lensman makes his money right..

If people think gfy is "highest bidder" takes all, not only will it decrease the value of the ad space , but allowing "guba" of all people could only hurt his/adult.coms future in promoting a program that sells the same content for a cheaper price.. not to mention the fact the content is no longer exclusive..

Hmmm, that should ring a bell.....

PMdave · 03-02-2006, 07:19 AM

Shows how much Adult.com cares for its webmasters or any and all webmasters on this board (who without it would be nothing) or even the other advertisers on this board.

mrthumbs · 03-02-2006, 07:23 AM

well if you have a problem with this boards advertisers whats keeping you from moving to another board?

RawAlex · 03-02-2006, 08:08 AM

mrthumbs, I have said it in other threads and I will say it here: Guba comes back and I take the door.

The reason isn't as obvious as you think.

GUBA by it's nature is a surfer oriented system to theivery, that steals from each and every one of us. The continued existance of the USENET is bad enough in and of itself (the original P2P file trading system?) but to encourage companies to extract, filter, organize, and resell that stolen content is really not a very good idea.

It probably ain't bad for the surfers, but it sure is bad for the porn business. All the content from so many members sites for $14.95 a month. Yup. Got it. You can sell shit cheap when you don't have any overhead on the content production side.

It puts this board into few ugly lights that are just not very good for any adult webmaster.

First, GUBA has a business model that is 100% diameterically opposed to business models of honest webmasters running membership sites and the free sites / galleries that promote those membership sites.

Second, GUBA knowingly uses stolen, purloined, or borrowed content without legal right, without producer documents, and without model releases of any sort. You don't have to go far to find any number of legal issues that face our industry. The new 2257 rules alone make this site illegal as all get out (they cannot prove who the primary producer is, therefore they have no way to prove model age, which puts them in serious shit for hardcore images).

Thirdly, GUBA as a skin appeals mostly to the surfers and the pirate types around here who would gladly steal from their mothers so they would have enough money to rent a ho or put dubs on their four door honda civic.

GFY accepting advertising from companies such as GUBA would clearly indicate that they are not supporting the legal and honest webmaster community, but rather playing to whoever shows up at the door with a check and skin, regardless of the effect that these programs would have on honest webmasters.

It is what it is. If and when that time comes again, we can all vote with our feet.

Alex

StatsJunky · 03-02-2006, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Thirdly, GUBA as a skin appeals mostly to the surfers and the pirate types around here who would gladly steal from their mothers so they would have enough money to rent a ho or put dubs on their four door honda civic.

Quote of the day.

RawAlex · 03-02-2006, 08:13 AM

I'm just happy you read all the way to near the end of the post

Alex

Manowar · 03-02-2006, 08:30 AM

bump

sumphatpimp · 03-02-2006, 08:45 AM

this wound needs salt rubbed in it

RawAlex · 03-02-2006, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumphatpimp

this wound needs salt rubbed in it

03-01-2006, 06:39 PM	#1
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	LENSMAN .. why are you.. recommending we promote guba ?? " <option value="http://www.amateurmoney.com" Selected>* GFY Recommends: *</option> <OPTION value="http://www.guba.com/static/revshare.phtml?gfy">GUBA</option> <OPTION value="http://www.ibill.com/default.cfm?campaignID=GFY010">Ibill</option> " I dont think anyone got any sort of real answer, yet they are added to your list of recommended programs.. I also notice the guba skin is still hiding in the page source , so i take it its going back.. ?? Are you aware that they are selling exclusive playboy content for alot cheaper than your programs ? are you aware they are also selling hundred/thousands of other sites content ? If so and you still recommend them then it would be nice to know . I have foreigners waiting to upload playboy dvd rips to the usenet so i can sell them for a fraction of the price.. If anyone else wants to get in at the ground floor let me know , dont let gfy be the first company to "push the envelope" why let them make money off stolen content when you can make money off the same stolen content ( of course when i say stolen i dont mean stolen i mean " the usenet has been around for 20 years " ) __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-01-2006, 06:39 PM	#2
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	we wont even start with why ibill is still there __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-01-2006, 06:41 PM	#3
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	obsessing a bit much over this? __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

03-01-2006, 06:41 PM	#4
StatsJunky Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Checking My Stats Posts: 639	Im sure any content that is part of the adult.com network has already been blocked by Guba. Therefore it is still money in the bank to have them advertise here. Correct me if I am wrong. __________________ erik AT suthnet.com

03-01-2006, 06:41 PM	#5
Ice Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny California Posts: 26,053	This looks like a good place to sit and have a beer __________________ icq 1904905

03-01-2006, 07:41 PM	#9
chaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	Didn't last long though, I'm thinking they got the boot when people called GFY on it. Could be very wriong though.

03-01-2006, 07:52 PM	#11
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	+ibill... thats a riot __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

03-01-2006, 08:19 PM	#13
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Highest bidder. Nuff said. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

03-01-2006, 08:23 PM	#14
Young Bland for life Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,468	ibill????????? LMAO

03-01-2006, 08:25 PM	#15
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	fuck guba

03-01-2006, 08:43 PM	#17
TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,119	right now I am sure Lensman is not thinking of how we are feeling on the whole issue - what is going through his mind is $$. Does he loose a paying client who at this point may be asking for his money back - or does he potentially loose some posters who can be future advertisers. truth is that no matter which way it goes Lens will win and he knows it. Ban Guba and sponsors will break the door down in support but he looses the payment or at least partial paid back to Guba for a failed attempt. Allow Guba and sponsors MAY hesitate but once the drama increases thats all Lens needs to show that the board brings out webmasters and I will guarantee the next in line for 'skin' will pay next to double since everyone will recognize its there after guba is gone. Lens really couldn't care less what webmasters think on the subject - what he is doing is considering how much if any money should be returned. thats my guess - probably wrong - but from what I see, is a likely scenario __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com

03-01-2006, 08:54 PM	#19
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	I think you are right. Honestly I don't think he gives a shit either way. He cashed out for a nice figure with at least 6 zeros at the end. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

03-01-2006, 09:24 PM	#21
emthree Dialer Kingpin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York Posts: 10,816	Lensman probably reads these boards once a month now. Maybe the mods can give him a ring. __________________ • Sell Patches & Pills •

03-02-2006, 07:19 AM	#24
PMdave Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,517	Shows how much Adult.com cares for its webmasters or any and all webmasters on this board (who without it would be nothing) or even the other advertisers on this board.

03-02-2006, 07:23 AM	#25
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	well if you have a problem with this boards advertisers whats keeping you from moving to another board?

03-02-2006, 08:08 AM	#26
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	mrthumbs, I have said it in other threads and I will say it here: Guba comes back and I take the door. The reason isn't as obvious as you think. GUBA by it's nature is a surfer oriented system to theivery, that steals from each and every one of us. The continued existance of the USENET is bad enough in and of itself (the original P2P file trading system?) but to encourage companies to extract, filter, organize, and resell that stolen content is really not a very good idea. It probably ain't bad for the surfers, but it sure is bad for the porn business. All the content from so many members sites for $14.95 a month. Yup. Got it. You can sell shit cheap when you don't have any overhead on the content production side. It puts this board into few ugly lights that are just not very good for any adult webmaster. First, GUBA has a business model that is 100% diameterically opposed to business models of honest webmasters running membership sites and the free sites / galleries that promote those membership sites. Second, GUBA knowingly uses stolen, purloined, or borrowed content without legal right, without producer documents, and without model releases of any sort. You don't have to go far to find any number of legal issues that face our industry. The new 2257 rules alone make this site illegal as all get out (they cannot prove who the primary producer is, therefore they have no way to prove model age, which puts them in serious shit for hardcore images). Thirdly, GUBA as a skin appeals mostly to the surfers and the pirate types around here who would gladly steal from their mothers so they would have enough money to rent a ho or put dubs on their four door honda civic. GFY accepting advertising from companies such as GUBA would clearly indicate that they are not supporting the legal and honest webmaster community, but rather playing to whoever shows up at the door with a check and skin, regardless of the effect that these programs would have on honest webmasters. It is what it is. If and when that time comes again, we can all vote with our feet. Alex

03-02-2006, 08:13 AM	#28
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I'm just happy you read all the way to near the end of the post Alex

03-02-2006, 08:30 AM	#29
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	bump

03-02-2006, 08:45 AM	#30
sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	this wound needs salt rubbed in it