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bringer · 03-01-2006, 06:01 PM

if i buy a 15Mpbs dedicated server and someone hits my server causing it to spike to 17Mbps for an hour, does that mean i went over my plan and need to pay overages? it was explained to me that the 15Mpbs was what i was alotted for the months averages ie 4800gb/month transfer.

bringer · 03-01-2006, 06:11 PM

bump for webair

bringer · 03-01-2006, 06:24 PM

its also annoying when i call support and some guy who barely speaks english tells me repeatedly 15Mbps is what i get to use as an average. "So i can use 10Mbps for one hour and 20Mbps the next and still average 15Mbps and pay no overages?" "Thats correct." I then ask him to look it up and he says "You used 10.60Mbps as an average for the 17 days you were with us but because you went above it at one point you must pay overages." I get two stories from the same guy in the same fucking call. this is bullshit

sandman! · 03-01-2006, 06:42 PM

if its 15mbs average its 15mbs average what dont you understand ?

ask your host to setup mrtg on your box with average stats or 95th stats if your paying by 95th so you allways know where you are at.

RocketFlow · 03-01-2006, 06:51 PM

There are a couple of things that hosting companies do to decide overages. Some use 95th percentile while others use total bandwidth consumption.

For the sake of argument let's round and say that a 10Mbps dedicated conection is 3,000GB per month. So if you have a 10Mpbs plan and average 10GB a day and have a few spikes of 80Mbps for a a few days, then you may go over your allotment.

However the 95th percentile takes into account spikes. The 95th percentile is the smallest number that is greater then 95% of the numbers in a given set, which in this case would be a month. So it measures your sustained throughput in the month, which in essence gives you the average bandwidth consumption throughout the month.

If you have any other questions feel free to hit us up...

fris · 03-01-2006, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman!

if its 15mbs average its 15mbs average what dont you understand ?

ask your host to setup mrtg on your box with average stats or 95th stats if your paying by 95th so you allways know where you are at.

kinda hard when his host ignores all his requests, did he mention they moved his stuff off his virtual without letting him know changing the ip. all without telling him he had to find out himself when the pages werent loading.

gerard isnt exactly tech savvy. actually he is a tool. when i asked him a couple questions he had no clue.

funny how my msgs get through, but bringers dont, i wonder why.

chaze · 03-01-2006, 07:35 PM

yes usually unless it's says average it's the limit. But 15 megs is allot fo bandwidth.

We have a program that slows down traffic as you reach your limit so you just have the visitors wait some when you reach the peak.

better then most host oversubscribe and slow down sporadically now matter how much you use.

http://www.dwhs.com

Check their overage policy, we have people go over 3-5 megs from time to time and if it's no often no biggie.

Phil21 · 03-01-2006, 09:08 PM

As Rocketflow stated, 95th percentile or per-GB billing are pretty much the two standards in the industry. Some hosts also do "average mbit", but it is precisely the same math as per-GB billing, just expressed differently.

95th percentile can be fairly confusing, but in the end it's typically a pretty fair tradeoff between hosts and their customers. A host must keep enough capacity around for you to burst at whatever rate you need with zero notice - this capacity isn't "free" for the host, and must be paid for - thus you essentially get 1.5 days (in a 30 day month) of "free" bandwidth - this "free time" is your highest traffic period.

The best non-technical way I've found to explain this is "average peak billing" - you get billed based upon your average peak during the week is almost always what the end-game is.

-Phil

milan · 03-01-2006, 09:15 PM

it's 15MB avarage 95% most likly.

you need to be around 2 days straight to masivly over you bandwidth.

you can read more about it here: http://www.oc3networks.com/index.php...4&Itemi d=251

hope this helps.

AdultEUhost · 03-02-2006, 11:41 AM

Hit me up and I will explain the 95% or average billing method to you

webair · 03-02-2006, 12:15 PM

gotcha man all cleared up...fyi:

here ya go...it's alot but its accurate =)

Billing Methods Explained:

There are three common types of billing methods that IPPs generally use to bill their dedicated server customers; the "95th percentile", "bandwidth average", and "per gigabyte" based billing. All have their distinct advantages though we feel that the "95th percentile" method is the most balanced overall method.
Let's start with the "per gigabyte" based billing. Anyone familiar with "shared server" hosting is likely to be quite familiar with this type of billing. Quite simply, log files are kept of your web activity throughout the month and then at the end of the month you pay a specific charge for each gigabyte of data you transferred.

"per gigabyte" based billing usually includes both your incoming and outgoing data transfer -- so if you transfer 3000 gigabytes of outgoing transfer and 1000 gigabytes of incoming transfer then you are billed for a total of 4000 gigabytes of transfer.

The second common method of billing is "bandwidth capped". With this type of billing you select a bandwidth "cap" (usually in increments of 1 megabit per second) and you are restricted from transferring data beyond your "cap" amount. For instance, if you purchased a 20 megabit bandwidth cap then your web sites are free to transfer as much data as they need, up to 20 megabits per second. If you try to transfer beyond 20 megabits per second then your traffic is "slowed down" so that you cannot break the 20 megabit per second barrier.

"bandwidth average" based billing is usually for a "full duplex" network connection. This means that if you purchase a 20 megabit per second connection then you can transfer 20 megabits of incoming transfer and 20 megabits of outgoing transfer at the same time.

The "95th percentile" based billing is sort of a hybrid between the previous two billing methods. Throughout the month your incoming and outgoing bandwidth is graphed in five minute intervals. Every five minutes your transfer is totaled for the previous five minutes and an average transfer rate is derived. From that data a graph is created to show you your "real-time" bandwidth usage:

- Real-Time Bandwidth Graphs (updated every five minutes)

For example, if during the five minute interval you had 300 megabytes of outgoing transfer and 30 megabytes of incoming transfer your average outgoing transfer rate would be 8 megabits and your average incoming transfer rate would be 0.8 megabits. For reference, 8 megabits equals 1 Megabyte of data transferred every second (multiplied out for 300 seconds -- five minutes -- you get a total of 300 Megabytes of data transferred).

After the five minute samples are calculated the lowest of the two samples (usually the incoming data sample) is tossed out and the highest of the two samples (usually the outgoing data sample) is kept. This in effect gives you free incoming data transfer since the smaller of the data samples is tossed out completely.

At the end of 30 days we have 8,640 samples. At that time the top 5% of the samples (432 samples -- 36 hours worth) are tossed out. You are then billed on the highest remaining sample. This gives you 36 hours of transfer for free (as well as already having half of the samples tossed out). You get the "free" incoming bandwidth of "bandwidth valved" based billing as well as the burstability of "per gigabyte" billing. The best of both worlds.

"95th Percentile" versus "Bandwidth Valved"
The largest advantage of "bandwidth valved" billing is the predictable monthly costs. If you buy 20 megabits of bandwidth then you are charged for exactly 20 megabits of bandwidth.
There are, however, several drawbacks to "bandwidth valved" billing. The single largest drawback is the fact that you need to "buy to the peak". The traffic patterns for all web sites are filled with peaks and valleys. No web site in the world transfers a steady amount of bandwidth.

If, for instance, you have a web site that transfers around 8 megabits per second during the off-peak hours but bursts to around 20 megabits during the busy period of the day then you'll want to make sure you purchase 20 megabits if you're purchasing "valved" bandwidth. If you purchase less than 20 megabits -- say perhaps 15 megabits -- then your web sites will run noticeably slower during the peak times.

To make matter worse, when you purchase 15 megabits and your web sites are only doing 8 megabits in the off-peak times you are in effect paying for bandwidth that you are not using.

That leaves you in the situation where your web sites run slower during the peak times because you didn't purchase enough bandwidth and then you're paying for unused bandwidth in the off-peak times.

This is where the advantages of the 95th percentile billing shine. Because your bandwidth is not valved in any way, your web sites are free to burst to "full fast ethernet speed" during the peak times -- if it bursts to 20 or 25 megabits then that is what is sampled and recorded -- but during the off-peak times you'll only be paying for 8 megabits. You do not need to worry about having to "upgrade" your service just because you plan on increasing your usage later on in the month, and it takes the guess-work out of trying to figure out exactly how much bandwidth you really need.

Then, at the end of the month, your top 5% of the samples are tossed out. You get 36 hours of free transfer and you do not have to buy extra bandwidth just to sustain your peak times.

When it's all said and done, at the end of the month you may have had to purchase 20 megabits of "valved" bandwidth, but your 95th percentile may only be 13 megabits.

Combining Bandwidth Valving with 95th Percentile Billing
Looking for the predictability of valved bandwidth with the burstable connectivity of 95th percentile? No problem. All of our virtual servers have bandwidth valving capabilities built-in. If you have a web site that transfers between 10 and 20 megabits, for example, we can valve that virtual server at 20 megabits to insure that you never exceed the 20 megabit threshold. The billing will continue to be on the 95th percentile, so if at the end of the month your 95th percentile shows your bandwidth usage at 13 megabits you pay for only 13 megabits.
This gives you a virtual "ethernet pipe" and guarantees that your transfer will not exceed that amount -- just as with bandwidth valving -- along with the superior pricing model of the 95th percentile billing.

03-01-2006, 06:01 PM	#1
bringer i have man boobies Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: van down by the river Posts: 13,082	hosting question if i buy a 15Mpbs dedicated server and someone hits my server causing it to spike to 17Mbps for an hour, does that mean i went over my plan and need to pay overages? it was explained to me that the 15Mpbs was what i was alotted for the months averages ie 4800gb/month transfer. __________________ 333-765-551

03-01-2006, 06:11 PM	#2
bringer i have man boobies Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: van down by the river Posts: 13,082	bump for webair __________________ 333-765-551

03-01-2006, 06:24 PM	#3
bringer i have man boobies Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: van down by the river Posts: 13,082	its also annoying when i call support and some guy who barely speaks english tells me repeatedly 15Mbps is what i get to use as an average. "So i can use 10Mbps for one hour and 20Mbps the next and still average 15Mbps and pay no overages?" "Thats correct." I then ask him to look it up and he says "You used 10.60Mbps as an average for the 17 days you were with us but because you went above it at one point you must pay overages." I get two stories from the same guy in the same fucking call. this is bullshit __________________ 333-765-551

03-01-2006, 06:42 PM	#4
sandman! Icq: 14420613 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: chicago Posts: 15,432	if its 15mbs average its 15mbs average what dont you understand ? ask your host to setup mrtg on your box with average stats or 95th stats if your paying by 95th so you allways know where you are at. __________________ Need WebHosting ? Email me for some great deals [email protected]

03-01-2006, 06:51 PM	#5
RocketFlow Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 169	There are a couple of things that hosting companies do to decide overages. Some use 95th percentile while others use total bandwidth consumption. For the sake of argument let's round and say that a 10Mbps dedicated conection is 3,000GB per month. So if you have a 10Mpbs plan and average 10GB a day and have a few spikes of 80Mbps for a a few days, then you may go over your allotment. However the 95th percentile takes into account spikes. The 95th percentile is the smallest number that is greater then 95% of the numbers in a given set, which in this case would be a month. So it measures your sustained throughput in the month, which in essence gives you the average bandwidth consumption throughout the month. If you have any other questions feel free to hit us up... __________________ RocketFlow.com - Premium Hosting Services - Unrivaled Speed, Unbeatable Service ICQ #234-583-306 or 234-628-183

03-01-2006, 07:35 PM	#7
chaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	yes usually unless it's says average it's the limit. But 15 megs is allot fo bandwidth. We have a program that slows down traffic as you reach your limit so you just have the visitors wait some when you reach the peak. better then most host oversubscribe and slow down sporadically now matter how much you use. http://www.dwhs.com Check their overage policy, we have people go over 3-5 megs from time to time and if it's no often no biggie.

03-01-2006, 09:08 PM	#8
Phil21 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ICQ: 25285313 Posts: 993	As Rocketflow stated, 95th percentile or per-GB billing are pretty much the two standards in the industry. Some hosts also do "average mbit", but it is precisely the same math as per-GB billing, just expressed differently. 95th percentile can be fairly confusing, but in the end it's typically a pretty fair tradeoff between hosts and their customers. A host must keep enough capacity around for you to burst at whatever rate you need with zero notice - this capacity isn't "free" for the host, and must be paid for - thus you essentially get 1.5 days (in a 30 day month) of "free" bandwidth - this "free time" is your highest traffic period. The best non-technical way I've found to explain this is "average peak billing" - you get billed based upon your average peak during the week is almost always what the end-game is. -Phil __________________ Quality affordable hosting.

03-01-2006, 09:15 PM	#9
milan Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dee Dee Dee LAND! Posts: 800	it's 15MB avarage 95% most likly. you need to be around 2 days straight to masivly over you bandwidth. you can read more about it here: http://www.oc3networks.com/index.php...4&Itemi d=251 hope this helps. __________________ QuadraNET - ICQ:2222 15312 - milan [nosp@m] QuadraNET.com 24/7 "REALLY ON-SITE" Support - Completely Premium Network Public & Private Network, Remote Reboot, Private VLANs 99.99% Guaranteed Network Uptime / BGP4 Multihomed 24/7 LIVE CHAT, Phone and Ticket Support 1-888-5-QUADRA

03-02-2006, 11:41 AM	#10
AdultEUhost ORLY? Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NL & US Posts: 2,579	Hit me up and I will explain the 95% or average billing method to you __________________ ICQ: 267-443-722 / leon [at] adulteuhost [dotcom] Nominated for an XBIZ Award as "Webhost of the Year" in 2007, 2012, 2013 and 2014

03-02-2006, 12:15 PM	#11
webair Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 8,531	gotcha man all cleared up...fyi: here ya go...it's alot but its accurate =) Billing Methods Explained: There are three common types of billing methods that IPPs generally use to bill their dedicated server customers; the "95th percentile", "bandwidth average", and "per gigabyte" based billing. All have their distinct advantages though we feel that the "95th percentile" method is the most balanced overall method. Let's start with the "per gigabyte" based billing. Anyone familiar with "shared server" hosting is likely to be quite familiar with this type of billing. Quite simply, log files are kept of your web activity throughout the month and then at the end of the month you pay a specific charge for each gigabyte of data you transferred. "per gigabyte" based billing usually includes both your incoming and outgoing data transfer -- so if you transfer 3000 gigabytes of outgoing transfer and 1000 gigabytes of incoming transfer then you are billed for a total of 4000 gigabytes of transfer. The second common method of billing is "bandwidth capped". With this type of billing you select a bandwidth "cap" (usually in increments of 1 megabit per second) and you are restricted from transferring data beyond your "cap" amount. For instance, if you purchased a 20 megabit bandwidth cap then your web sites are free to transfer as much data as they need, up to 20 megabits per second. If you try to transfer beyond 20 megabits per second then your traffic is "slowed down" so that you cannot break the 20 megabit per second barrier. "bandwidth average" based billing is usually for a "full duplex" network connection. This means that if you purchase a 20 megabit per second connection then you can transfer 20 megabits of incoming transfer and 20 megabits of outgoing transfer at the same time. The "95th percentile" based billing is sort of a hybrid between the previous two billing methods. Throughout the month your incoming and outgoing bandwidth is graphed in five minute intervals. Every five minutes your transfer is totaled for the previous five minutes and an average transfer rate is derived. From that data a graph is created to show you your "real-time" bandwidth usage: - Real-Time Bandwidth Graphs (updated every five minutes) For example, if during the five minute interval you had 300 megabytes of outgoing transfer and 30 megabytes of incoming transfer your average outgoing transfer rate would be 8 megabits and your average incoming transfer rate would be 0.8 megabits. For reference, 8 megabits equals 1 Megabyte of data transferred every second (multiplied out for 300 seconds -- five minutes -- you get a total of 300 Megabytes of data transferred). After the five minute samples are calculated the lowest of the two samples (usually the incoming data sample) is tossed out and the highest of the two samples (usually the outgoing data sample) is kept. This in effect gives you free incoming data transfer since the smaller of the data samples is tossed out completely. At the end of 30 days we have 8,640 samples. At that time the top 5% of the samples (432 samples -- 36 hours worth) are tossed out. You are then billed on the highest remaining sample. This gives you 36 hours of transfer for free (as well as already having half of the samples tossed out). You get the "free" incoming bandwidth of "bandwidth valved" based billing as well as the burstability of "per gigabyte" billing. The best of both worlds. "95th Percentile" versus "Bandwidth Valved" The largest advantage of "bandwidth valved" billing is the predictable monthly costs. If you buy 20 megabits of bandwidth then you are charged for exactly 20 megabits of bandwidth. There are, however, several drawbacks to "bandwidth valved" billing. The single largest drawback is the fact that you need to "buy to the peak". The traffic patterns for all web sites are filled with peaks and valleys. No web site in the world transfers a steady amount of bandwidth. If, for instance, you have a web site that transfers around 8 megabits per second during the off-peak hours but bursts to around 20 megabits during the busy period of the day then you'll want to make sure you purchase 20 megabits if you're purchasing "valved" bandwidth. If you purchase less than 20 megabits -- say perhaps 15 megabits -- then your web sites will run noticeably slower during the peak times. To make matter worse, when you purchase 15 megabits and your web sites are only doing 8 megabits in the off-peak times you are in effect paying for bandwidth that you are not using. That leaves you in the situation where your web sites run slower during the peak times because you didn't purchase enough bandwidth and then you're paying for unused bandwidth in the off-peak times. This is where the advantages of the 95th percentile billing shine. Because your bandwidth is not valved in any way, your web sites are free to burst to "full fast ethernet speed" during the peak times -- if it bursts to 20 or 25 megabits then that is what is sampled and recorded -- but during the off-peak times you'll only be paying for 8 megabits. You do not need to worry about having to "upgrade" your service just because you plan on increasing your usage later on in the month, and it takes the guess-work out of trying to figure out exactly how much bandwidth you really need. Then, at the end of the month, your top 5% of the samples are tossed out. You get 36 hours of free transfer and you do not have to buy extra bandwidth just to sustain your peak times. When it's all said and done, at the end of the month you may have had to purchase 20 megabits of "valved" bandwidth, but your 95th percentile may only be 13 megabits. Combining Bandwidth Valving with 95th Percentile Billing Looking for the predictability of valved bandwidth with the burstable connectivity of 95th percentile? No problem. All of our virtual servers have bandwidth valving capabilities built-in. If you have a web site that transfers between 10 and 20 megabits, for example, we can valve that virtual server at 20 megabits to insure that you never exceed the 20 megabit threshold. The billing will continue to be on the 95th percentile, so if at the end of the month your 95th percentile shows your bandwidth usage at 13 megabits you pay for only 13 megabits. This gives you a virtual "ethernet pipe" and guarantees that your transfer will not exceed that amount -- just as with bandwidth valving -- along with the superior pricing model of the 95th percentile billing. __________________ ~ Webair Dedicated Cloud Servers™ ~ WEBAIR VSYS™ Virtual Hosting Platform ~ Superior CDN Network ~ ~ Managed Dedicated hosting Specialists ~ DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES! ~ WEBAIR FUSION IO MANAGED CLOUD SERVERS! ~ *ICQ:* 243116321 - *TWITTER* - @WEBAIRINC - E-Mail: [email protected]