You see, I'm not able to gain initial trust, until someone with a good traffic will try out our system. We really want you to trust us, but it's impossible, if all of you are so sure about us!

Because it's useless to proove anything before we get some partner with a high quality traffic in our affiliate program!

So, you're all welcome! JUST TRY IT OUT and you won't regret about it! As I previously mentioned we don't have exact cash out dates, we can make a cash out at any moment on your request.

But of course we'll charge a few dollars for money transfer, so it useless to cash out a few bucks.

Elk

As long as 90% of the owners from the pre-teen sites are from your region my trust is not verry high. Why these sites are not hostet in Russia but in the US ?

I don't know the most WM's here are complaining about cheating but I'm complaining about something much worse.
We all cry about CP and chear if one gets busted because of CP, but no one is refering to all these Lolita and pre-teen sites which sell "Artistic Nudity".

:ak47:

Well, first of all - I have no information about pre-teen sites owners statistics, I just want to remind you that there are also a lot of ex-USSR countries, where the laws are even "worse" than in Russia, and I'm sure many of CP webmasters are from there. f.e. from Ukraine and so on...

And the second.. Laws are very different everywhere. Somewhere the whole pornography and even erotica - is under the law.. So...

But, i don't wanna say something good about lolita webmasters, I think the same about them.. But :( What can I do about it.
Actualy, we are not even in an adult business. Sextraffic, is the only our adult project. Everything else has nothing in common with adult buisness.

ELK, look at the bright side...this thread might just win you a DVD :)

Kidding aside, though, if I had any exit traffic I'd have signed up with you, I believe in giving people a chance before judging. Unfortunately I hardly even have enter traffic.

:)))))))))))))))))))))))
DVD player or DVD recorder or DVD disc ???? :)

Heh... Well... It's sad that you don't have any exit traffic.
Since we don't have an enter traffic now too ;(

US has cheaters too. But in USA, cheater can be easily caught from its IP address. You can sue him!

But in russia, its not possible.
We see lots of new & new CP paysites from russia. I'm sure CP paysite owner is making god damn money, but what about young girls?

its easy to host illegal content in russia. ISPs only looking for money. No law restrictions.

here ya go: http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/gfy_contests.html#Longest

:)

Actualy, you can easily caught russian cheater by IP too.
ISP isn't only looking for money. And it's impossible to host illegal content in russia (by russian laws), and CP is not legal in Russia!
So, someone said it right, russian CP sites are hosted in US!!!!!!
It's much easier to find host for CP in US, than in Russia.

It might be forbidden by law there is just nobody who enforces
the law. And you know that is a fact in Russia and even if it is
enforced then money can buy you out VERY easily.

DynaMite

what do they mean by "$200 in content"? I think I don't need the content. $( Since I'm outside of U.S. I won't get the DVD :(((((((

LOL

ANYWAY, i've started this thread long time after sunday, so I have no chances :) And there's too many my own answers :(((

So, I have to forget about DVD $(......

NO! NO! NO! You're completely wrong.
There are violators everywhere, but that doesn't mean that we ignore the laws. Especialy concerning CP content.
And it's not so easy to buy the law for a such a hard crime.
It's just too hard to proove that someone is working on CP.
We just have some problems with laws concerning the net. It's hard to proove anything.. But it doesn't mean that our laws doesn't work...

I don't agree with you on this, yes you have laws but the
country has enormous problems to enforce them no matter
which crime. The police is next to bankrupt, there is hardly any
money for investigation. Police and judges make so little money
that it is very easy to buy a ruling.

Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to bash on Russia or Russians.
But those are simply the facts...and probably most russians feel
even worse about the situation than foreigners do...They live with
it.

I don't make up these facts...they are there and I have witnessed
some examples of it. The intentions and laws are there I know..
but having laws and to be able to enforce laws are 2 different things

DynaMite :thumbsup

Russia just does not have the resources required to fight online crime at this point. (the US and EU are just getting their cybercops online).

Until Russia improves their economical situation it will not change.

Yes, sure, you know everything about Russia and Russians!! :(

I want to tell you that you're right about Ukraine (95% of CP webmasters are from there) and may be some small towns, but it's totally wrong about Moscow. There's absolutely another situation. Law works perfectly here. You don't live here, so you don't know anything. All you know about Russia - is from TV or Internet, but you don't know about real situation. People in Moscow lives much better, than you think.

I agree and in EU and US law enforcement work together. They
share information help eachother with international arrests. If I
would have a problem with a Russian company it's virtualy
impossible to get a lawsuit...

If I have a problem with an US company I can go there press
charges and have a lawsuit. I know this is a worse case scenario
but I least you know that if the shit hits the can you can actually
do something about it.

DynaMite

I know. But. As I said - CP is not a russian business, it's Ukrainian...
So what else do you think our laws should fight with?

No offence, but I have seen a documentary on a respected TV channel about Moscow's crime statistics and the police itself.

It showed the problems Russian police has to deal with and how easily it is to get corrupted when you are only paid 50 USD a month as police officer. You can't ignore the problems, they will not go away on its own.

Well, I don't think that in our case it's possible to do something with us, even if we were in Europe or U.S.

Many affiliate programs are well known for nonpaying.
And they are still alive. And they are not Russian!

And, finally, no one asks you to give us 100 millions hits a week for a year, and then trying to charge earned money for us.

You can check us in a week, if you really have a good traffic.

No I don't but I have spent almost a year in Moscow and done
a lot of business with Russians. So maybe a year is not that
much but I at least I know a little. I lived in a normal appartment
amongst russian people.

Like I said I don't want to make Russia or Russians look bad.
I know that there is still propaganda on Western TV, etc, etc.
But I have seen the Russian side aswell so I know what I say.

DynaMite

Corrupcy exists everywhere, believe me.
And not only in Russia. I'm not talking about the fact that police corrupted much more in other russian cities, then in Moscow. Moscow is MUCH BETTER than any other russian city from this point of view.

Ok, ok, ok.
But as I've previously said... Cheaters ARE EVERYWHERE.
And that doesn't mean that we are all cheaters.
You may be a bit more careful, making some deals with russians, but that doesn't mean you have to make no deals at all. Just trust us. We are not going to cheat anyone...

The discussion is drifting away from it's topic. It's not about you,
businesses or individuals. You asked why some many people
don't like to do business with Russian webmasters.

Well some of these posts give reasons for that from our point
of view....That's all. I'm not in the traffic selling business so no
I will not try your company out....But that's NOT because you
are Russian :thumbsup

Like I said before I have done business with Russian webmasters
and Russian companies and probably will do business again with
them in the future...I was just giving you some reasons why a lot
of people won't...

DynaMite

Ok, ok, ok... Actually, i made this post to find out is there any chance to get some people in our affiliate program, or is it just a total hate from everyone..

As I can see, partly I was right. But not completely...

Anyway, is there anyone who would like to try out our system?

Hey, where did they put those thousands of homeless kids living in the subway of Moscow?
I heard they were "removed", but where?
No offense, this just really makes me sad... and wonder

There never was a "thousands" of homeless kids in the subway.
Anyway, do you have any ideas - who are they? These "homeless kids"?

They are still there, in the subway, on railway stations, and so on.

BUT ALMOST NONE OF THEM ARE MOSCOW CITIZENS!
Most of them came from different small towns and even ex-ussr countries. They choosed such life themselves.. No one asked them to come here.

Great. So perhaps Moscow should become an independent country then

Btw, you're almost right.
Because everybody saying - that Moscow is actualy absolutely <> Russia. It's another country. People in Moscow lives MUCH better than in any other russian city.

That's why the whole our country don't like the people who live in Moscow. Because of that.

ELK, stop this shit.

:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) super!

Your close bro and Ron is way off.......It's 99% of all Russians that Cheat...:winkwink: But the reason a few don't is because they are still in cheat training school. They will soon don't worry......LOLOLOL

:BangBang: :feels-hot


:mad: that's what I feel.....

I'll explain it the 1000000 time for today....

It's not russian sites! They are mostly UKRAINIAN SITES!

Problem is that they nearly all end in RU.......

And the point remains that nobody (well, very few) in this thread are saying you would or do cheat but are just stating the reasons behind being cautious with any Russian site/WM - your original question. And believe me you ARE underestimating the number of Russian WM's that cheat hugely. This is all of Russia not just Ukraine. It is a huge shame but is true nevertheless. They know they are fairly safe from any type of legal action so they cheat.

This is not to say every Russian WM/site cheats but by far the majority do. You may well be a good example of one that doesn't. Unfortunately due to the way my sites work traffic in is big but exit is fairly small so I probably can't try you out.

On the CP issue with the exception of the 'legal' nude teen shit (fuck that stuff needs to be banned) just about all hardcore CP is hosted in Russia. You only have to try playing the toplists and see the amount of Russian sites you end up on with real CP shit. This may be Ukraine or may not be - it is too hard to tell the difference.

Again, few in the thread are doubting you. I think your actions so far would tempt me to try you in a small way if I had enough exits. Oh - and the .org isn't a good move. There's a shit load of .coms still as there's no reason to use a 3 letter domain just be creative with the name it'll pay off in the long term.

another good reason why

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=58167

The difference between Russia and Ukraine is that it's absolutely 2 different countries.
And concerning CP locations. Why are you so sure, that they are all hosted in Russia? Did you check the hosters or what?
As I remember, someone mentioned here, that Russian CPs are hosted in U.S.! Not in Russia. Do you know why? Because most of hosting companies in Moscow are official ones, and they will never allow CP on their hosts! NEVER!

And also, how russian webmasters cheat you? Which way?

So what? Dmitry - is not only russian name, afaik.
And also, it's just one post... It doesn't proove anything.

See? There's that fucking "the rules don't apply to me" attitude that was mentioned above. I see it every day here in NY with my programmers or any other Russian I come across that's looking for money from me.

All the good domains are sold out :waaaaahh
I have no money for hosting :waaaaahh
Content is too expensive :waaaaahh
All Russians are not cheaters :waaaaahh

I'm sorry, ELK but you've just lost the game again. :321GFY

First of all. It wasn't my personal idea to buy this domains. I came here, when they were already bought. So i have no idea about why did they choose these ones. And, concerning rules. Ok. I agree with you. But i read a lot of articles, where I saw the phrase "these rules are not actual now anymore". And there's no such limitations anymore. It's not a law, afaik.

oh... i love russian wms.... atleast they dont upload warez so often....

Ok. Anyway, i'm going home from work now.
So, let's talk tomorrow...

Yeah, and you know why? ;-)
Because it's useless for them. They can find all warez on CDs in the open sale.... Piracy, you know...

The thread is to long to read!!!

Anyways I would just like to state that I've got nothing against russians infact I enjoy working with them.
For the past 3 months I've had most of my coding and gfx work done by a russian company and I've been very impressed with it.

So if you are a russian and keep getting canned by other progs then check out http://www.sugarcash.com

We won't can you just because of your nationality.

he already admitted that he was russian - when i asked him

my family hates me because i'm an russian adult webmaster :Graucho

Hmmm....I think the fact that many CP sites either end RU or are on servers located in Russia sort of gives if away. I can understand you getting defensive about yourself but you seem to be also trying to defend all the cheating bastards. There are 100's of ways to cheat from hitbots to stolen cards and between them many Russian WM's use the lot. And before you say it again yes people from the rest of the world do cheat but the % is FAR smaller.

You sound like a sleazy used car salesman.


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I've always believed you shouldn't ask a question if the answer will only piss you off. This thread seems a case in point

Oh stop it, now you're starting to blame Ukrainian wm's just as most of us blame you?

wow, 98 posts in this thread BEFORE I even add MY thoughts.
hahahaha

ELK, you simply a moron by saying Ukraine and Russia are different countries, I know you trying to make your image better(or to look better) by putting all that shit on other sholders...

And what the fuck you got against Ukrainians ? Ukranians are exactly same as russians, there is no difference ....