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ThumbLord 02-25-2006 05:19 PM
I know I am getting old ( 50+ ) and as a senior member of this board I sort of like to ask you not to type CAPSLOCK that is sort of hurting my vision and makes me wanna puke since I realize I am over 20+.
ok sorry back to the very important info within this thread.
soory for the remarks, just go on.

lazycash 02-25-2006 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevsh
1. Apparently, you read my posts but missed the point: It's obvious he came to LB from a link on her site.

2. That doesn't explain the whole picture, something you are clearly failing to acknowledge. If the whale went to her site after chatting with her on PrivateCamZ then exactly how is my post above "wild speculation"? That's the exact scenario I described!

btw. "Most likely" (your words) is speculation too, isn't it?
Most likely is also far from fact. Is that what happened or not?

So far you, nor her, nor anyone has explained *here* how she knows that it was him that signed up on LiveBucks? Simple question. Still no answer. If someone can clearly, simply connect the dots to *exactly* how this unfolded - without speculation, of course, I'd love to hear it.

For the dozenth time: If she's only an aff. with LB then how does she know he followed a link from her pay site to LiveBucks and signed up? I've stated before, in LiveBucks stats all you have is a customer ID - no nickname, no real name. Unless ... never mind, that's speculation :)

So clearly, if you want to even try to understand my skepticism, it is simple. And here I am going by stated facts only, feel free to correct me:

1) Cam girl sends a customer (a "whale") from Site A (where she's a performer) to Site B (her own site, where there is a link to ...) Site C (where she's an affiliate) and she rakes in 40% in revshare (or so she expected).
2) When Site C doesn't pay she contacts said whale personally and asks him about it which means ...
3) Somehow, she knows that all those purchases on Site C are his. How?

Okay, so back to a question I've raised repeatedly but I haven't gotten a straight, direct, non-speculation answer ... (see point #3 above)

If I'm a total idiot, fine, but still after all these posts and your explanations, and others, it is still far from clear - feel free, anyone, to spell it out in excruciatingly plain english ... take away the speculation that you, I and others have and the dots still aren't connected.

So, instead of supposing and speaking for her further (everyone, myself included), I would really love Mariah to explain exactly how this whole scenario happened or LiveBucks. Until then, nothing is fact. And if she or they don't want to, for any reason, I don't blame them. It should be taken "offline" and left there. And after it's sorted out if they want to come back and post the results, great.

Now I really, really want to let this go so please unless anyone plans on literally spelling out E X A C T LY what happened - from FACTS only, my opinion is reserved until it's ever resolved and published.

(And please don't say the obvious: That all the FACTS have been totally/completely explained *here* on GFY. If you believe that to be true, see last paragraph and I'll eat my words. :))

Good lord I am going to rest now....
:Oh crap
I feel like i keep having to hold you to the facts, nowhere did she ever say the customer came to her site via privatecamz, stop just making up things. She simply said that he was a well known whale over at privatecamz. Kevin, take some time and actually read the intial thread on the other board that she referred to in the intial post and stop misinterpreting what happened.

The bottom line Kev is that livebucks has never said any of your speculation is the reason for her not getting paid, so why do you insist on making up some scenario instead of commenting on what happened? The issue being discussed has nothing to do with how she acquired an affiliate referral, it has to do with a sponsor withholding payouts because of a chargeback when they tell their affiliates they absorb all chargebacks.

lazycash 02-25-2006 07:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chadglni
Euro Lee has to be the biggest dumbshit I have ever seen in my life.

P.S. for the mentally challenged. Lets assume your bullshit scenario were true and she gave a surfer kickbacks. There isn't a cam sponsor in the world paying revshare that would give a flying fuck. They cam sponsor makes their cut regardless of what you do with yours. This isn't some PPS program. You are all a bunch of idiots. Brilliant fucking scam, "go spend $10,000 a month here and I'll give you $1000 back. We'll fuck that sponsor good".

Remove heads from asses.
Yeah I was going to mention that even if Kev's scenario occurred the sponsor still pays out the exact same amount, but there's no point in even discussing that because neither Mariah nor Livebucks has said that occurred. I have no idea why Kev won't comment on what we do know but would rather speculate on something both parties have said didn't happen.

mariahxxx 02-25-2006 09:30 PM
ok, here's the scoop...This guy was a member of my site for several months....he found me on privatecamz because when you login to privatecamz the "Live Now" button shows your free vid feed on your site! He came into chat and spent a lot of $$ with me....he told me he is always on and spends like crazy! Also on PC next to each customers name is a # showing their amount of "chips" and his was over 15,000!

He also bought shows at a rate of $37.50 a day (thats my cut) and did so for months, then that number doubled, then doubled again. then one day i start getting emails from livebucks saying I had referred sales, and there were no more Privatecamz purchases.

I put 2 and 2 together and said, "hmmmm, I bet its the same guy!" So I sent hiim an email and asked him and he replied and said yes, he visits several live cam sites, and has been a steady customer of ifreinds, camcontacts, interclimax shows, and others since 1999.

On my site I have a live show page with nothing but links to upsell sites like livebucks, bigcashcrew, webcamcash, ifriends, and others....he clicked that link on his own and liked it, and spent his money. I never once suggested any of the links because quite honestly I have no idea who pays what, I figured they were all pretty similar.
And if I wanted the guy to buy from a certain site, why wouldnt I choose one of the sites like imlive or ifriends that pays $100 per sale or whatever? Ive seen programs with huge payouts and would certainly steer someone to them first.

You know what they say, never assume or....

They fucked me out of the money, wont show me proof of any dispute or even return emails at all. they said they absorbed all chargebacks and refunds and then went back on their word.

Where the fuck is the logic in arguing with me on this? The facts are quite clear and documented if you take the 5 minutes to look it up on gg n j...which I would do before accusing someone of fraud.

Thanks again...and fuck LIVE BUCKS and Karl Hamilton.Liars and thieves...

basschick 02-25-2006 10:02 PM
how do you know he didn't charge back - because he said so? and if he made thousands of dollars of purchases knowing he would later charge back, how would that not be fraud?

i'm not saying he DID charge back but i'm saying he may have. i used to manage a strip club and guys pulled this shit periodically when they overspent over a period of months or lost interest in the girl they had been spending to impress. needless to say is that they always told the girls they didn't charge back, but their banks told us a different story.

mariahxxx 02-25-2006 10:07 PM
i kept getting emails saying the sales were still going on for weeks! The same customer #!!! He spent like that for months on PC....and even if he did, which I dont think he did, they said, "we eat all chargebacks and reunds"

so wtf does it matter if he did or not? it just makes it worse that I dont think he did.
If he faxed his id, copy of his credit card how could he chargeback? makes it tougher for sure.
They lied from day 1,,,,why would I think differently now?

lazycash 02-25-2006 10:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by basschick
how do you know he didn't charge back - because he said so? and if he made thousands of dollars of purchases knowing he would later charge back, how would that not be fraud?

i'm not saying he DID charge back but i'm saying he may have. i used to manage a strip club and guys pulled this shit periodically when they overspent over a period of months or lost interest in the girl they had been spending to impress. needless to say is that they always told the girls they didn't charge back, but their banks told us a different story.
He may have charged back, but livebucks was promoting itself to webmasters on another board by saying they absorb all chargebacks so the affiliate need not worry.

Pleasurepays 02-25-2006 10:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariahxxx
i kept getting emails saying the sales were still going on for weeks! The same customer #!!! He spent like that for months on PC....and even if he did, which I dont think he did, they said, "we eat all chargebacks and reunds"

so wtf does it matter if he did or not? it just makes it worse that I dont think he did.
If he faxed his id, copy of his credit card how could he chargeback? makes it tougher for sure.
They lied from day 1,,,,why would I think differently now?
it doesn't make it tougher for him to chargeback. it doesn't stop him from charging back at all. it only means that it can help to dispute the chargeback by the merchant and even then, its a tough thing to fight and the bank is usually going to side with the cardholder (their client)

there is a lot of chatter here and its all one sided.

on top of that, people fax photoshopped/fake ID's in all the time as well. you know nothing about the other side of running a cam business.

Pleasurepays 02-25-2006 10:22 PM
a quick clue for all of you who seem to know nothing about credit card processing. it doesn't matter if you think its fraud or not. the burden of proof is on you and the bank is almost NEVER going to listen to you and side with you against their own customer.

have you heard of a little policy called "zero liability"? the bank doesn't have to listen to you. they don't have to care or care that you were scammed. they don't have to investigate. they don't have to do anything. the most effective way to fight a chargeback is to scare the individual into calling his bank and reversing it... which is tough to do as well. other than that... what are you going to do? call your local police department and report the 1,000,000th credit card fraud report for that afternoon?

there is a reason no one fights chargebacks. there is a reason that no one is being arrested for fraud related to 1000's in chargebacks for porn sites.

lazycash 02-25-2006 10:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
a quick clue for all of you who seem to know nothing about credit card processing. it doesn't matter if you think its fraud or not. the burden of proof is on you and the bank is almost NEVER going to listen to you and side with you against their own customer.

have you heard of a little policy called "zero liability"? the bank doesn't have to listen to you. they don't have to care or care that you were scammed. they don't have to investigate. they don't have to do anything. the most effective way to fight a chargeback is to scare the individual into calling his bank and reversing it... which is tough to do as well. other than that... what are you going to do? call your local police department and report the 1,000,000th credit card fraud report for that afternoon?

there is a reason no one fights chargebacks. there is a reason that no one is being arrested for fraud related to 1000's in chargebacks for porn sites.
Thanks captain obvious, we are all aware that a chargeback may have occurred, but the sponsor has said that they set their payout % so as to include the absorption of chargebacks and the affiliate will be unaffected.

chadglni 02-25-2006 10:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycash
Thanks captain obvious, we are all aware that a chargeback may have occurred, but the sponsor has said that they set their payout % so as to include the absorption of chargebacks and the affiliate will be unaffected.
Just give up man, these people are like the ones on TV saying aliens abducted them. :error

lazycash 02-25-2006 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by chadglni
Just give up man, these people are like the ones on TV saying aliens abducted them. :error
Yeah, can't believe I've even wasted this much effort, its as if they're responding without having read the thread.

GonZo 02-25-2006 11:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by European Lee
So you have 1 surfer that has spent over 10k on live cam feeds in 3 months?

I call bullshit.

LiveBucks are class all the way, if they havent paid you its for the simple reason you are scamming them.. PERIOD!

Regards,

Lee
Like anyone takes your word these days. You are a liar and a thief.

mariahxxx 02-26-2006 06:08 AM
thanks for the feedback and support..well most of ya!
 
appreciate the feedback, good and bad.

just wanted to give people who might end up like me in this a heads up...didnt want to start the webmaster version of Biggie vs. Tupac!

Anyway, i'll post any results and let you guys know whats up.

they suck and I hope the ones who do promote this piece of shit site see the reason I brought it up....shouting in caps or not.

Again, appreciate it and have a great March!

xoxo
Mariah

Marshal 02-26-2006 08:27 AM
bump for drama! :D

Juilan 03-26-2006 08:01 AM
Whats the update on this mariahxxx?

katyrefer 12-01-2006 05:44 PM
I don't know the in's and out's of this particular issue so I can't comment because I don't know the facts. I do know that every story has 2 sides.

My own experience with Karl and LiveBucks is that they are genuine guys and great to work with.

I would personally recommend them.

BTW - I hope that you do resolve your problem, I can fully understand your frustration. :Oh crap


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