UnseenWorld

I hope this doesn't seem too terribly spammy, but I need a little help out of a jam that has a goodly hunk of change tied up.

Here's the story: This model needed some quick money because she's moving and has to make first and last and some school-related expenses (she's doing summer school out of town). So, I agree to help her by doing a 2-girl shoot with her and another hottie.

I did agree to a stipulation, however. Once I take the photos, I must either 1) hang onto them until she goes to school in Europe in the Fall if I want to sell them nonexclusive, or 2) I can sell them on an exclusive basis for use as content in just one surfer site, not to another content seller.

For me, 2) works better than 1). So, follow the links below to a few samples. There are just a bit under 600 photos. Any offer that doesn't make me laugh out loud will be considered. (I'll laugh out loud at any offer under $2.50 a photo.) I'll make up my mind by Friday.

You get the 1600x1200 straight out of the camera originals plus resized (880x660), rotated, Photoshopped (zit removal), and color-corrected "fixed" shots as well. Plus, you get a good copy of the release and age docs, too.

Oh, yeah. There are 16 wardrobe changes distributed over about 4 different locations. Some of the shots involve toys (one of the girls goes anal, both do vaginal), and there is actual mouth-pussy contact, none of the tongue hovering an inch away BS.

This is my best-quality A++ work, and if I didn't have to hang onto them or sell them as exclusive, you can bet they'd be up on my content site any day now selling like hotcakes as nonexclusive material. Write me at [email protected] or ICQ me at 48201505 if interested. Here are a few way-downsized samples.

http://www.unseenworld.com/Temp/ChastFran1.jpg
http://www.unseenworld.com/Temp/ChastFran2.jpg
http://www.unseenworld.com/Temp/ChastFran3.jpg
http://www.unseenworld.com/Temp/ChastFran4.jpg
http://www.unseenworld.com/Temp/ChastFran5.jpg

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Wiredoctor

Very nice pics Unseenworld. Nice cute girls, and good quality shots.

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UnseenWorld

Like I said: It's A++ work, and I'm about dying that I can't put it up right away.

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Tipsy

Nice series.

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ldinternet

nice, but thats a fucking LOT for amateur/next door girl stuff.

600 at 2.50 minimum... which brings it to $1500 for a set of pics at a minimum. i guess you're expecting more like $2000 for the whole set. sure does seem like a+++ work, but is it worth that much? i mean... i wonder what the competition would shoot for $2000?

ldinternet

no doubt my response has angered unseen and he is now bashing away at his keyboard with fury.

just funning with ya. oh look... someone bumped the thread.

UnseenWorld

You're talking about "amateur/next door girl" stuff like that means it's less valuable than "Playboy centerfold girl" material. To someone who runs a site devoted to amateurs, barely legals, or whatever, this kind of stuff is gold, and their members/visitors would turn up their noses at the slicker stuff. You (and I do this as well sometimes) seem to forget that the value isn't *what it is*, it's how good it sells, and any of my regular customers will tell you that very few other producers are in my league as far as getting and retaining members. THAT is what really counts, isn't it? And THAT is where value comes from.

You can't get this kind of material from me for $2.50/pic anymore. And Aaron tells me (if he isn't pulling my leg) that his work is more expensive than that as well...and worth it!

$2.50 a pic (and more) for really good exclusive work that's just right for a certain market is not asking too much, believe me.

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UnseenWorld

I don't know how to get angry (just even!). Anyway, it gave me a chance to defend it a bit and make a few more sales points. Heh, heh.

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hollywood

removed pics cause of mr. sensitive

UnseenWorld

You think I'm a computer idiot? I didn't put the pics up for several reasons, but mostly because there isn't evan a WARNING page on this site. But, what the hey, now YOU are taking responsibility for putting them up.

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ldinternet

haha... i knew that you would point that out. you've pointed it out a few times on this board and most every webmaster with a reasonable experience of this biz also knows that the amateur/next door girl has an appeal that can't be easily found, it retains just the same as foot fetish, lactating, mature ebony, or any kind of specialist material would.

well, for someone who wants real amateur stuff, wouldn't it be advisable to go out and hire some dope that got his new digital camera? i sure wouldn't... with that said, i don't think your stuff is ever so amateur/next door girl, but more of an amateur with a professional twist, therein lies the appeal.

AdultWire

If I was buying, I'd DEFINITELY consider this set. I'm not buying, but you get my *BUMP*.. haha

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UnseenWorld

I think people want to see good (but not slick) pictures of girls who DON'T look like sex industry pros. That's what the "pro-am" category is all about.

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ldinternet

on another topic. maybe you should start shooting male pics. or more specifically... big guys in da' tub.

that was very disturbing. but hey, i bet it recurs like a mofo!

hollywood

jesus mr. sensitive - did you have your v8 this morning?

and just to clarify, I'm probably more of a computer idiot anyway.. ;-)

AaronM

LMFAO

AaronM

I would not roll out of bed to shoot exclusive solo girl sets at $2.50 a pic. I would just like to take this time to thank you for driving down the prices for exclusive g/g shoots as well.

WTF are you thinking offering these sets at that price? You must be drunk......or broke.

UnseenWorld

That's just the starting price, bro'. It's an auction.

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Mike D

G/G full exclusive set for $2.50 a image
I wouldent even bother pulling the camera for that price



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UnseenWorld

Also, I should probably add that it is NOT my regular price, which is why the smart webmasters will start bidding on it, because if they pick up the phone and call me for a quote on a shoot with the same two girls, it will be for much more than $2.50 a pic (and I'm betting these will go for more than that as well).

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Paul Markham

Why the heck did you let some girl dictate how you sell it.
It's not as if they are "special£. they are cute but that's it and it looks like a good set.

But NEVER let the model dictate how you sell a set. Unless she is Britney Spears. If you had told that girl no way she would have done it any way. She needs the money.

Now you are left with 4 sets, of average girls and trying to sell them how they dictate.

Good sets though.

ldinternet
Amateur means the model not the photographer, any idiot can pick up a camera and shoot naked flesh. The net is full of content providers like that and sites. They last weeks because the market is flooded with them and they do not know what the surfer really wants..

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BV

Nice pics unseen.
Read your book the other night as well, pretty good!

BV

oh yah can you email me a close up of this angle in full rez?
http://www.unseenworld.com/Temp/ChastFran3.jpg
it's one of my favorite poses

kmanrox

ist that the girls i saw boneprone with? what did you all end up doin bone???

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LoveAsianChicks

It is!!!
Hire a "playboy" model and you pay a fortune to take her pics.
Therefor you must sell the exclusive pics expensive to make some profit.
Hire an Amateur you found at the local "Dairy Queen" and you can hire her for a handful for peanuts.

I'm not saying amateur porn is bad, but it is cheaper to produce and the prices should be lower.
Whats your Markup?

ldinternet

LOL... i know that charly, hence the words "professional twist".

ldinternet

interesting point...

eroswebmaster

You also have to understand you're not just talking about buying an "amateur" set...you're buying an "EXCLUSIVE" set.

A set that you won't be finding in at least one listing at every tgp (and won't be submitting to any tgps)....thus increasing the value.

It's simple economics people

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Paul Markham

The problem is most of these guys would not know how to put that into pictures.

THANK YOU GOD.

Otherwise we would all be out of a job. The net would be full of shooters doing it for the frill and if they could make it look good the sites would be plentiful and full nad the profits low to nothing.

It's because only a few can shoot a good porno shot, ("amateur or "playboy") that we make so much money. and the sites we sell to are successful.

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AaronM

Spoken like a true fucking idiot again. Why in the hell do you think you actually know something about this business? You are a good photographer but for Christ's sake, hire somebody who knows what in the hell they are talking about and have them post to the boards for you.

AaronM

Not true, I have shot models who have posed for Playboy, Hustler, Gallery, and a couple of other mags and I did not pay them one cent extra.

UnseenWorld

You need to take Econ 101. The "value" of something is determined by demand and utility, not how much something cost to make. It's very easy to spend a billion dollars and make something that no one wants.

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UnseenWorld

Charly, like I need lessons in business acumen from you.

The model is a friend. I did her a favor. A friend does not rake a friend over the coals to take advantage of her vulnerability. Although maybe that's how you do things over there in Czechoslovakia.

Get over it.

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UnseenWorld

Oh, boy. Now that you know how to get models, I'll have ANOTHER competitor.

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UnseenWorld

Are you a potential customer or are you in "dirty old man" mode?

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Jer

This post deserves a bump from me. Cute girls, very good quality pictures with "UnseenWorld style" (I like natural light). And Unseen helped these girls doing this special deal for them, so to you, Unseen.

Mike D

How true,LMFO



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kmanrox

unseen has a book? do tell the details

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BV

nah, don't worry about that, i've made my mind up that selling pics is just too much hassle, i prefer to keep my content exclusive to my sites, at least for now anyways.

BV

he he, you guessed it. "dirty middle aged man" mode....

BV

yep Kman,
unseen is a pulished author too!
i'm sure he'll read this and give you the details if your interested.
he posted the info here once on a thread, can't remember wich one.

AaronM

Speaking of dirty old man mode....Check out this email I received today:

I'd like to get hold of your Bridget sets, (just to download rather than to
use as webcontent!)

Any idea where I can get them?

Cheers!

Steve

My response

Well, I assume you got this email address from my website. Did you see them there?

I have not heard back from him yet.

Hawkeye

Hey Unseen, what kind of lighting setup did you use for those shots?

HeadPimp

DAMN! Got that beat! I am drunk AND broke most of the time!

AaronM

Well, save a few bucks and come get drunk with us all Friday night!

HeadPimp

I am soooo pissed at the timing... I've got company coming in for the weekend, Friday night.

AaronM

So?

HeadPimp

So I am thinking that it might be rude of me as a host to greet them at the door, and tell them to have a nice night and I will see them in the morning...

AaronM

Bring them along and show them a good time.