Round 2: APIC Attacks Lensman / AP Publicly on YNOT Board! - GoFuckYourself.com

Mr.Fiction · 04-23-2002, 04:14 AM

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Here is an example of the theft of property that AMATEURPAGES supports and refuses to do anything about.
LENSMAN I assume is a photographer? or?
What photographer doesn't recognize Playboys images??
Yet 20 emails later he still wants proof???

Nothing but stall tactics and refusal to co-operate.
As for Stan, the site is down because someone higher than you knows what they are doing. VERIO had to be notified
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10 notices ignored.

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Slick · 04-23-2002, 04:41 AM

pornJester · 04-23-2002, 05:10 AM

i hate unthreaded boards

chodadog · 04-23-2002, 05:55 AM

APIC are a bunch of fucking 'tards.

chodadog · 04-23-2002, 05:56 AM

LENSMAN FOR PRESIDENT!!!

Ok, i just want a fucking mousepad already!

FATPad · 04-23-2002, 06:33 AM

I used to think APIC was a good idea, but until it's run by someone with some degree of professionalism it's just going to be a joke.

Someone wants to help them, asks for info and is refused and slammed as if they're hiding something. *shakes head*

playa · 04-23-2002, 07:02 AM

LOL,, like lensman really has a problem with terminating cheaters accounts,,,

roadtrip · 04-23-2002, 07:18 AM

Lens, don't sweat the YNOT the board.

They say they're so anti child porn yet their top
banner ad is always Club Seventeen. The YNOT
network is profiting from child porn, they'll get
their's in the end.

Let it roll off your back, we KNOW you're solid!

Corona · 04-23-2002, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by roadtrip
Lens, don't sweat the YNOT the board.

They say they're so anti child porn yet their top
banner ad is always Club Seventeen. The YNOT
network is profiting from child porn, they'll get
their's in the end.

Club Seventeen is not CP.

I hope you have a real example of how YNOT profits from CP before you slander them.

mule · 04-23-2002, 07:31 AM

Yep, all Club Seventeen models are 18+
Payserve is a respectable company

Dualcpu · 04-23-2002, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by roadtrip
Lens, don't sweat the YNOT the board.

They say they're so anti child porn yet their top
banner ad is always Club Seventeen. The YNOT
network is profiting from child porn, they'll get
their's in the end.

Let it roll off your back, we KNOW you're solid!

1) Club Seventeen has no underage models
2) What has YNOT got to do with this?
It is something between mister Lensman and APIC.

Some people don't think before they speak/write.

DTK · 04-23-2002, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
I used to think APIC was a good idea, but until it's run by someone with some degree of professionalism it's just going to be a joke.

roadtrip · 04-23-2002, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Corona

Club Seventeen is not CP.

I hope you have a real example of how YNOT profits from CP before you slander them.

A North American selling access to pictures of those
under the age of 18 is a crime. I don't care what
Holland's rules are, YNOT is based in the U.S.A.

Also since this is in print, it would be libel, not slander.
However since it's Club Seventeen's practice is to
promote they have 17 year old girls on their site,
my statement would considered "Qualified Privilege"
or "Absolute Privilege" and taking it to court would
likely result in a criminal investigation of the plaintiffs.

Simple first year law, crack a book.

Ludedude · 04-23-2002, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by roadtrip

A North American selling access to pictures of those
under the age of 18 is a crime. I don't care what
Holland's rules are, YNOT is based in the U.S.A.

Also since this is in print, it would be libel, not slander.
However since it's Club Seventeen's practice is to
promote they have 17 year old girls on their site,
my statement would considered "Qualified Privilege"
or "Absolute Privilege" and taking it to court would
likely result in a criminal investigation of the plaintiffs.

Simple first year law, crack a book.

Moron.

YNOT would never ally themselves with producers of CP.
Did you even look at ClubSeventeen's website? I bet not or you wouldn't have missed this little tidbit: All persons depicted herein were over the age of 18 years at the time they were photographed or filmed.

That's clearly written on their main page.

You owe YNOT a public apology. That's a serious goddam accusation and if you can't back it up (as you can't) you're digging a big hole for yourself.

ElvisManson · 04-23-2002, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by roadtrip

A North American selling access to pictures of those
under the age of 18 is a crime. I don't care what
Holland's rules are, YNOT is based in the U.S.A.

Also since this is in print, it would be libel, not slander.
However since it's Club Seventeen's practice is to
promote they have 17 year old girls on their site,
my statement would considered "Qualified Privilege"
or "Absolute Privilege" and taking it to court would
likely result in a criminal investigation of the plaintiffs.

Simple first year law, crack a book.

roadtrip,

You are an embarssament to those of us who live in Toronto and actually think before we speak.

The People at YNOT are stand up people that have done nothing but good for our industry.

To sit in your lonely room, at your computer and quote legalese to justfiy your fuck up ( saying that YNOT is Profiting from CP) is wrong.

You made a mistake. Say you are sorry and back away quickly. You might save some face that way.

roadtrip · 04-23-2002, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ElvisManson

roadtrip,

You are an embarssament to those of us who live in Toronto and actually think before we speak.

The People at YNOT are stand up people that have done nothing but good for our industry.

To sit in your lonely room, at your computer and quote legalese to justfiy your fuck up ( saying that YNOT is Profiting from CP) is wrong.

You made a mistake. Say you are sorry and back away quickly. You might save some face that way.

Even portrayal is a no no...

Obviously, I'm not going to make the guys pulling
cash off this listen. Have your way, I believe you're
sitting on a timebomb until I can walk to the corner
7-11 and buy a copy of their magazine.

You want me to say it's "OK", I can't... It makes me
sick to see such a thing go on.

As to have I been on their site, hell no! I'm not
chancing even 1 pic transitting international borders.
I'll stick to sites that advertise 18 and older.

I heavily believe this is wrong, but thead dropped.

LAJ · 04-23-2002, 08:15 AM

Three things...

1. Porn Jester -- You have the option to view our boards at YNOT either flat view or threaded view.

2. Thanks to those within this thread who say kind things about YNOT and know who we are.

3. Roadtrip... expect to hear back from us.

Dualcpu · 04-23-2002, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LAJ

3. Roadtrip... expect to hear back from us.

ClubSeventeen should also be informed, they might be interested too.

SNIPER · 04-23-2002, 08:43 AM

Road Trip...what is wrong with you? Do you want to bury yourself with the webmaster community and with a board and great people who can help you?

I think you just needed something to say so you said it...but damn, don't burn HUGE bridges like that over an opinion based on an obivous lack of knowledge.

Think before you write, there are no second chances in this industry.

LAJ · 04-23-2002, 08:49 AM

"don't burn HUGE bridges like that over an opinion based on an obivous lack of knowledge.

Think before you write, there are no second chances in this industry"

__________________________________________

This is more than just burning bridges... there could possibly be legal implications here.

SNIPER · 04-23-2002, 08:52 AM

If you want to talk about depictions ...I would suggest you look in your own backyard...

http://www.sexroadtrip.com/omutsugirls/sample4.jpg
http://www.sexroadtrip.com/omutsugirls/sample1.jpg
http://www.sexroadtrip.com/omutsugirls/samples.html

Hmmmm...it me it looks like a Japanese girl, with a FUCKIN Baby soother in her mouth and diapers.....

Rip · 04-23-2002, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Hmmmm...it me it looks like a Japanese girl, with a FUCKIN Baby soother in her mouth and diapers.....

...Those that scream the loudest always seem to have a lot of their own dirty laundry

Tipsy · 04-23-2002, 09:01 AM

Is it worth replying to the guy anymore? He's been told several times now that club17 only uses models 18+ but seems either very confused or too illiterate to read it. Either way your banging your head against a brick wall keep trying to get it across to him. As has been said YNOT runs a good board although the layout annoys a bit for me to post there too often.

Cyndalie · 04-23-2002, 09:26 AM

Road trip if I was you I'd be blubering "I'm sorry", covering my ass and running.

Both Payserve & Ynot are very reputable companies.

SNIPER · 04-23-2002, 09:53 AM

Hey RoadTrip...I notice no reply? Nothing to say? No comment on your taste of site promotion?

Hmmmmm silly me....you are probably still removing your foot from your mouth.

Va2k · 04-23-2002, 12:50 PM

:quote:Even portrayal is a no no...

Then why the fuck are you promoting jap women that are acting underage?? Talk about balls Don't think there is any legal actions ynot could do nor club17 freedom of speach might block that <shrugs> What do I know I only a lonley ole webmaster But shit If you can sue a moron then WTG

Brian911 · 04-23-2002, 12:56 PM

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Foxes.com
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do I have to say more about apic?

hollywood · 04-23-2002, 01:05 PM

Not surprised.

What a bunch of fucking brown nosers - Lensman can wipe his own ass.. let him.

Fletch XXX · 04-23-2002, 01:26 PM

Ive often thought about the legalities of sites promoting international border stuff.

The one example that gets me thinking is the Hun's servers are less than a mile from my house, I live in California... and beastiality is illegal here... I've never gotten much reply on this, but think about it sometimes hahaha

Anyone have any real info on this stuff?

eroswebmaster · 04-23-2002, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by roadtrip

Simple first year law, crack a book.

Simply a 4th or 5th year elementary student able to read and comprehend would know by checking out club 17 they only allow images of 18+..it's clearly stated on their website

edited to add...4th or 5th year elementary students shouldn't be visiting club17 tho'...LOL

TheFLY · 04-23-2002, 03:29 PM

Who give a fuck about YNOT when we have GFY?

hollywood · 04-23-2002, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
Who give a fuck about YNOT when we have GFY?

YNOT is god

Ludedude · 04-23-2002, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
Who give a fuck about YNOT when we have GFY?

Hey ease up on the happy pills there Pete

YNOT is cool...Bob knows how to party

LAJ · 04-23-2002, 06:31 PM

"Bob knows how to party"

______________________

So does Otto

Matt 26z · 04-23-2002, 06:56 PM

Yes, all models at Club17 are of legal age. Legally there is nothing wrong with these kind of sites. This is not by any means CP. But, I can see how some people could get the wrong first impression.

magick · 04-23-2002, 07:33 PM

APIC sounds just like the PMRC. What else do these people have to do than harrass webmasters. The law is on our side. Even virtual child porn was declared legal by the Supreme Court in the last few days. If you have proof of age, then the model is legal. End of story.

magick · 04-23-2002, 07:48 PM

We need to investigate APIC. Who are they?

Ludedude · 04-23-2002, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LAJ
"Bob knows how to party"

______________________

So does Otto

I'll have to check Otto out in Miami then

LAJ · 04-23-2002, 07:56 PM

Cool! We'll all be in Montreal too.

Ludedude · 04-23-2002, 07:58 PM

Not going to make it up there unfortunately, my schedule is way fucked up, but Miami's a go for launch!

Nysus · 04-23-2002, 08:18 PM

Question for all you people -

Do you not think "Club Seventeen" being a "teen" site, insinuate underaged teenagers, or of the age of 17 years old?

Logic says yes. Whether they have a disclaimer stating that all models are above 18 or not, the site name, such as say "Lolita" sites (lolita is a ban word mind you on most main sites for the implications of underaged it has).

Just curious how you can ignore the obvious.

Cheers,
Matt

AdultWire · 04-23-2002, 09:50 PM

It's a freakin trademark -- Why don't you go sue Coke contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

AdultWire · 04-23-2002, 09:51 PM

Better yet, by the logic on this thread, you could get them on manslaughter.

mule · 04-24-2002, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nysus
Do you not think "Club Seventeen" being a "teen" site, insinuate underaged teenagers, or of the age of 17 years old?

Club Seventeen is the online version of a Dutch magazine that has existed for years. I dunno how long exactly, but I came to Holland in 1981, and I'm pretty sure it was around then. It would make no sense whatsoever to market the online version under another name

TheFLY · 04-24-2002, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ludedude

Hey ease up on the happy pills there Pete

YNOT is cool...Bob knows how to party

sorry i got PMS

-=HUNGRYMAN=- · 04-24-2002, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by roadtrip

Even portrayal is a no no...

Obviously, I'm not going to make the guys pulling
cash off this listen. Have your way, I believe you're
sitting on a timebomb until I can walk to the corner
7-11 and buy a copy of their magazine.

You want me to say it's "OK", I can't... It makes me
sick to see such a thing go on.

As to have I been on their site, hell no! I'm not
chancing even 1 pic transitting international borders.
I'll stick to sites that advertise 18 and older.

I heavily believe this is wrong, but thead dropped.

roadtrip = spacedog ?!?

MR ROADTRIP ... You seem to have issues with Lensman, YNOT Network, AND Club Seventeen (IMCO) ...

Did you fall out off the 'short bus' ???
Man ... you must have CAST IRON BALLS to start slandering any of those guys ...

I sure hope you got a kick ass security for your machine man ... I see you making ALOT of enemies REAL FAST

BTW ... if you have ONE IOTA of proof to back up any of your claims ... post it hear now for us all to see ... or else SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!

What a clueless fuck ... you need

NickB. · 04-24-2002, 07:59 AM

Let me tell you this again my friends!

Clubseventeen is just a brand name,
all content , all ladies are all over 18 Years old

The brand name has its origin from the time we all were babies!
Child porn will never be found at our websites!

icq 122879984
[email protected]

LAJ · 04-24-2002, 08:21 AM

Alright... hopefully this will explain a few things.

I have spoken to the people at Club Seventeen as well as YNOT's Pres and legal counsel (my boss) Otto.

Real simple...

1. Club Seventeen clearly states that all of their models are over the age of 18. They are operating legally.
2. There is nothing legally wrong with using '17' in the domain.
3. There is nothing legally wrong with 'depictions' of underage models. The Supreme Court recently ruled in favor of this as well.
4. YNOT doesn't profit from or condone child porn, and never has.

You have disputes with us... take it up with us personally before you go posting false info.

Since "roadtrip" hasn't posted any replies to this thread, am I to assume self admission of wrong doing on his/her part?

A public apology to YNOT, Club Seventeen and GFY is certainly in order here.

LeeNoga · 04-24-2002, 08:38 AM

We all know YNOT is standup, always has been, always will be, I grew up with YNOT in 1996 early 1997--

But granted the way APIC communicates is not always the preferred way, they also have played a major role in reducing copyright infringement dating back to early YNOT days as well back when they were known as WebPosse.

I have known Steve Easton since 1993, he is a top magazine photographer, and back then I was a CD-ROM publisher for both consumers and legitimate content for BBS Operators.

I believe in APIC, have always supported APIC and in the early years was a spokesman for APIC.

Its an organization for those that shoot, produce or own content, and they have grown quite sophisticated with attorneys, and have quite the clientel at one time perhaps now even--I was a member of APIC since Zmaster was heavily infringed upon in the beginning days, and it protected my assets without breaking my wallet having to hire attorneys.

Celebs, Playboy, Penthouse are their clients and the list goes on...

Im not speaking on this current issue, Im just saying that APIC has been around for many years, and don't just go off for no reason....perhaps this current issue is one big misunderstanding.

Sleepy · 04-24-2002, 12:09 PM

If Lens has to go to court with APIC I will donate funds and I hope he posts the information here.

Perhaps APIC used to be defenders of copyright but now they are just a group of lawyers fresh out of victims.

I had them ask me for a license on photos I posted to a tgp. I owned those photos and they do not represent me. They had no right to even ask. Whats the scam ? Do they find stolen photos then try to recruite the owner with promises of big settlements ?

Lee, there is a right way and a wrong way. These people have their nose up everyones ass and not just the bad guys anymore. I wouldnt announce your association with them too often.

04-23-2002, 04:14 AM	#1
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Round 2: APIC Attacks Lensman / AP Publicly on YNOT Board! http://www.ynotmasters.com/chat/chat.cgi?T=General Here is an example of the theft of property that AMATEURPAGES supports and refuses to do anything about. LENSMAN I assume is a photographer? or? What photographer doesn't recognize Playboys images?? Yet 20 emails later he still wants proof??? Nothing but stall tactics and refusal to co-operate. As for Stan, the site is down because someone higher than you knows what they are doing. VERIO had to be notified -------------------------------------- FORWARDED TO PLAYBOY & CMMG SPONSORED AND SUPPORTED BY AMATEURPAGES 10 notices ignored. (list of URL's here) APIC ( steve easton ) \| Profile \| Contact \| Apic-Worldwide 04/23/2002 05:12:01 EDT Post # 51087 IP: 209.86.163.95 http://www.ynotmasters.com/chat/chat.cgi?T=General

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04-23-2002, 05:55 AM	#4
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chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	LENSMAN FOR PRESIDENT!!! Ok, i just want a fucking mousepad already!

04-23-2002, 07:02 AM	#7
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04-23-2002, 07:18 AM	#8
roadtrip Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 33	Lens, don't sweat the YNOT the board. They say they're so anti child porn yet their top banner ad is always Club Seventeen. The YNOT network is profiting from child porn, they'll get their's in the end. Let it roll off your back, we KNOW you're solid!

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SNIPER Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Wherever my laptop is. Posts: 410	Road Trip...what is wrong with you? Do you want to bury yourself with the webmaster community and with a board and great people who can help you? I think you just needed something to say so you said it...but damn, don't burn HUGE bridges like that over an opinion based on an obivous lack of knowledge. Think before you write, there are no second chances in this industry.

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LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	"don't burn HUGE bridges like that over an opinion based on an obivous lack of knowledge. Think before you write, there are no second chances in this industry" __________________________________________ This is more than just burning bridges... there could possibly be legal implications here. __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

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SNIPER Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Wherever my laptop is. Posts: 410	If you want to talk about depictions ...I would suggest you look in your own backyard... http://www.sexroadtrip.com/omutsugirls/sample4.jpg http://www.sexroadtrip.com/omutsugirls/sample1.jpg http://www.sexroadtrip.com/omutsugirls/samples.html Hmmmm...it me it looks like a Japanese girl, with a FUCKIN Baby soother in her mouth and diapers..... Last edited by SNIPER; 04-23-2002 at 08:54 AM..

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Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	Is it worth replying to the guy anymore? He's been told several times now that club17 only uses models 18+ but seems either very confused or too illiterate to read it. Either way your banging your head against a brick wall keep trying to get it across to him. As has been said YNOT runs a good board although the layout annoys a bit for me to post there too often. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

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SNIPER Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Wherever my laptop is. Posts: 410	Hey RoadTrip...I notice no reply? Nothing to say? No comment on your taste of site promotion? Hmmmmm silly me....you are probably still removing your foot from your mouth.

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Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	:quote:Even portrayal is a no no... Then why the fuck are you promoting jap women that are acting underage?? Talk about balls Don't think there is any legal actions ynot could do nor club17 freedom of speach might block that <shrugs> What do I know I only a lonley ole webmaster But shit If you can sue a moron then WTG __________________

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hollywood Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 483	Not surprised. What a bunch of fucking brown nosers - Lensman can wipe his own ass.. let him.

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Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	Yes, all models at Club17 are of legal age. Legally there is nothing wrong with these kind of sites. This is not by any means CP. But, I can see how some people could get the wrong first impression.

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magick Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 20	APIC sounds just like the PMRC. What else do these people have to do than harrass webmasters. The law is on our side. Even virtual child porn was declared legal by the Supreme Court in the last few days. If you have proof of age, then the model is legal. End of story.

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magick Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 20	We need to investigate APIC. Who are they?

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Ludedude Suck it! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Who wants to know? Posts: 4,432	Not going to make it up there unfortunately, my schedule is way fucked up, but Miami's a go for launch!

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Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	Question for all you people - Do you not think "Club Seventeen" being a "teen" site, insinuate underaged teenagers, or of the age of 17 years old? Logic says yes. Whether they have a disclaimer stating that all models are above 18 or not, the site name, such as say "Lolita" sites (lolita is a ban word mind you on most main sites for the implications of underaged it has). Just curious how you can ignore the obvious. Cheers, Matt

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AdultWire Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 962	It's a freakin trademark -- Why don't you go sue Coke contributing to the delinquency of a minor. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

04-23-2002, 09:51 PM	#43
AdultWire Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 962	Better yet, by the logic on this thread, you could get them on manslaughter. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

04-24-2002, 07:59 AM	#47
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	Let me tell you this again my friends! Clubseventeen is just a brand name, all content , all ladies are all over 18 Years old The brand name has its origin from the time we all were babies! Child porn will never be found at our websites! icq 122879984 [email protected]

04-24-2002, 08:21 AM	#48
LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	Alright... hopefully this will explain a few things. I have spoken to the people at Club Seventeen as well as YNOT's Pres and legal counsel (my boss) Otto. Real simple... 1. Club Seventeen clearly states that all of their models are over the age of 18. They are operating legally. 2. There is nothing legally wrong with using '17' in the domain. 3. There is nothing legally wrong with 'depictions' of underage models. The Supreme Court recently ruled in favor of this as well. 4. YNOT doesn't profit from or condone child porn, and never has. You have disputes with us... take it up with us personally before you go posting false info. Since "roadtrip" hasn't posted any replies to this thread, am I to assume self admission of wrong doing on his/her part? A public apology to YNOT, Club Seventeen and GFY is certainly in order here. __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

04-24-2002, 08:38 AM	#49
LeeNoga Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Egg & Sperm Mutation Posts: 3,043	We all know YNOT is standup, always has been, always will be, I grew up with YNOT in 1996 early 1997-- But granted the way APIC communicates is not always the preferred way, they also have played a major role in reducing copyright infringement dating back to early YNOT days as well back when they were known as WebPosse. I have known Steve Easton since 1993, he is a top magazine photographer, and back then I was a CD-ROM publisher for both consumers and legitimate content for BBS Operators. I believe in APIC, have always supported APIC and in the early years was a spokesman for APIC. Its an organization for those that shoot, produce or own content, and they have grown quite sophisticated with attorneys, and have quite the clientel at one time perhaps now even--I was a member of APIC since Zmaster was heavily infringed upon in the beginning days, and it protected my assets without breaking my wallet having to hire attorneys. Celebs, Playboy, Penthouse are their clients and the list goes on... Im not speaking on this current issue, Im just saying that APIC has been around for many years, and don't just go off for no reason....perhaps this current issue is one big misunderstanding.

04-24-2002, 12:09 PM	#50
Sleepy Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Porn Peddler Posts: 679	If Lens has to go to court with APIC I will donate funds and I hope he posts the information here. Perhaps APIC used to be defenders of copyright but now they are just a group of lawyers fresh out of victims. I had them ask me for a license on photos I posted to a tgp. I owned those photos and they do not represent me. They had no right to even ask. Whats the scam ? Do they find stolen photos then try to recruite the owner with promises of big settlements ? Lee, there is a right way and a wrong way. These people have their nose up everyones ass and not just the bad guys anymore. I wouldnt announce your association with them too often.