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SmokeyTheBear 02-21-2006 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni
Also, why doesn't google and every other big site stop, surely all these "lawsuits" are causing them trouble. :upsidedow

simple they arent selling access to the "full version" of the content they display, nor are they selling anything while directly displaying the content.. GUBA is doing both.

CDSmith 02-21-2006 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight
We welcome you in to the light of reason :winkwink:

Hang around here long enough and you'll find that I am that light. :D

chadglni 02-21-2006 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith
You know, there is hypocrisy in many arguments and issues in and out of this industry. I acknowledge that there is some in this particular issue, but I'm unconvinced that that justifies what GUBA is apparently doing.

If something is wrong with a company's method of operation, doing nothing about it and ignoring it simply for the sake of not being labeled a hypocrite is probably the thing that's more useless. If some want to at least try to take action how is that any skin off your ass?

Yes, I am still seeking enlightenment here. :D

If 1000 webmasters could somehow sue them and shut them down tomorrow it wouldn't bother me in the least. I simply find it entertaining that the people on this board are all in a huff yet again about something they can't and / or won't do a damn thing about. So for the 20th time they bitch at Lensman about letting them advertise here. Now I don't know about you, but I get the impression Lensman doesn't give a flying fuck. But hey, I could be wrong of course.

J-Reel 02-21-2006 12:04 AM

WTF! Hardcore J?


http://www.guba.com/images/mug_eric.jpg

SmokeyTheBear 02-21-2006 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni
That fair use hurts peoples feelings just like the unfair use everyone here is so morally against all of a sudden. Just ask teh star wars kid.


People werent displaying half the star wars kid and selling access to the other half or star wars kid would have a lawyer and a ton of money..

Im sure wendy's didnt like all the news story's makeing fun of their COPYRIGHT logo's , but they werent SELLING access to the news story or to the parody using the copyright logo.. If they did/were they would be sued..

TDF 02-21-2006 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Reel


:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

FightThisPatent 02-21-2006 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight
Even *IF* you had filed your copyrights with the Library of Congress, laboriously combed through the entire Guba catalogue, carefully recording and matching stolen content......you'd still be left with the financial burden of hiring lawyers, flying back and forth to court dates, spending an enormous amount of lost production time attending court, etc.


exactly.... it is ironic that copyright laws are meant to protect one's property, but the actual process of enforcing those rights can be cost prohibited where you can't enforce your rights. (now if you were Hollywood, they send out the FBI to handle copyright infringement issues.)

If you did have images copyrighted, you can be awarded damages from a minimum of $2,500 per image/infraction up to $150,000 (it's up to the judge to decide how blatant the actions were).

Copyright law does give you recourse, but like any lawsuit, it takes bucks to litigate for bucks.. but if you can prove your case (ie. filed copyrights) and have the bankroll, you could win big in damages.. but then comes the collecting of the judgement, where a company could just file BK and you "won" with a court judgement, but "lost" because you can't collect.

Fight the injustice!

SilentKnight 02-21-2006 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni
If 1000 webmasters could somehow sue them and shut them down tomorrow it wouldn't bother me in the least. I simply find it entertaining that the people on this board are all in a huff yet again about something they can't and / or won't do a damn thing about. So for the 20th time they bitch at Lensman about letting them advertise here. Now I don't know about you, but I get the impression Lensman doesn't give a flying fuck. But hey, I could be wrong of course.

The fact that the skin came down in a matter of hours after the indignation lit up the entire front page from top to bottom - speaks volumes.

SmokeyTheBear 02-21-2006 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni
I simply find it entertaining that the people on this board are all in a huff yet again about something they can't and / or won't do a damn thing about. So for the 20th time they bitch at Lensman about letting them advertise here. Now I don't know about you, but I get the impression Lensman doesn't give a flying fuck. But hey, I could be wrong of course.


Things do happen .. Ever seen a skin vanish in hours ? Thats the whole point of everyone's useless huffing. Cause a big enough "huff" and things do change , even if its rare it does happen. I predict some sponsors will publicly announce a soft ban ( i.e. promote guba , you wont get paid )

SilentKnight 02-21-2006 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent
exactly.... it is ironic that copyright laws are meant to protect one's property, but the actual process of enforcing those rights can be cost prohibited where you can't enforce your rights. (now if you were Hollywood, they send out the FBI to handle copyright infringement issues.)

If you did have images copyrighted, you can be awarded damages from a minimum of $2,500 per image/infraction up to $150,000 (it's up to the judge to decide how blatant the actions were).

Copyright law does give you recourse, but like any lawsuit, it takes bucks to litigate for bucks.. but if you can prove your case (ie. filed copyrights) and have the bankroll, you could win big in damages.. but then comes the collecting of the judgement, where a company could just file BK and you "won" with a court judgement, but "lost" because you can't collect.

Fight the injustice!

I posted this link in another thread earlier - its appropo to your comments above:

http://www.suze.net/preview/copyright/APIC-Reactor.htm

BV 02-21-2006 12:12 AM

Well that is the problem, if you don't register your copyrights before the infringement occurs then you are not entiltled to lawyer fees, just damages.

If registration is made within 3 months after publication of the work or prior to an infringement of the work, statutory damages and attorney's fees will be available to the copyright owner in court actions. Otherwise, only an award of actual damages and profits is available to the copyright owner.

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight
All of which goes to say - the logistics alone of mounting a legal attack would be next-to futile.

Even *IF* you had filed your copyrights with the Library of Congress, laboriously combed through the entire Guba catalogue, carefully recording and matching stolen content......you'd still be left with the financial burden of hiring lawyers, flying back and forth to court dates, spending an enormous amount of lost production time attending court, etc.

Who in their right mind would even briefly consider that as an option?


FightThisPatent 02-21-2006 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BV
Those videos are submitted by the copyright holders.


The Google Video Upload program lets anyone who owns the necessary rights (including copyrights, trademarks, rights of publicity, and any other relevant rights for your content) submit videos electronically to Google Video.

i have seen futurama videos on google (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=futurama) .. i don't think matt koenig gave permission for it.


Fight the bender!

CDSmith 02-21-2006 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni
So for the 20th time they bitch at Lensman about letting them advertise here. Now I don't know about you, but I get the impression Lensman doesn't give a flying fuck. But hey, I could be wrong of course.

I hear you. I think Lens gives a fuck but I don't think it's capable of flying.... so I in part agree with you on that. :D

After all, the skin was removed. One could infer that it was due to the uproar it caused. Or not.

I'll conclude my posting for tonight by saying that I find GUBA's concept to be quite innovative in an opportunistic kind of way, but I'm sorry, I'm just not comforatable with the idea of a second entity making money by selling memberships to people to view MY content and I don't see a dime from it. Spin it any which way it can be spun, I don't see that ever sitting well with the average pay site owner, content producer, or affiliate program owner.

But you're right, if all these threads are just so much empty bitching with no teeth then we're all reduced to reaping the rewards of the almighty sig views.

Goodnight all.

baddog 02-21-2006 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy
the GFY nick is lesbodojo i think...

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

yeah, that's right, she owns it

FightThisPatent 02-21-2006 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith
But you're right, if all these threads are just so much empty bitching with no teeth then we're all reduced to reaping the rewards of the almighty sig views.


copyrights, trademarks, and patents... what joy it is to have deal with the litigation (whether as a defendant or plantiff).

Fight the paper tigers!


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