Thats old news man. And just because they installed a feature that a client requested is not the problem. The problem is the actual partner programs that want an easy way to shave.

Don't blame MPA3 .. blame the affiliate programs that shave you. Trust me, I'm sure there are plenty of programs that are using NATS and they shave.

Love your program at Niche Pay :)

what major affiliate program is using MPA3 ??

from an affiliates point of view only, i dig NATS set ups and sponsors much much more.

I've used NATS extensively and have been reallly happy with. Like anyone they had growing pains but the addressed them and continue too and the stuff they add to it is fantastic. It gets my holehearted thumbs up.

We have been using MPA3 for years.
Its ROCK-SOLID
Customer Support is more than EXCELLENT

Oystein and his team go above and beyond on supporting their product.

Godd job guys, keep it up

This can only be settled in a cage match betweeen Oystein and John.

Set it up in Phoenix.

welcome back AK

I've never used Nats.

When we bought BlueFantasies i took over the existing MPA account. I have to say I've been impressed. Not only with the software but with the support. Taking over a site and making changes has resulted in us needing alot of MPA support and they've been extremely fast and efficient with everything.

Also, I've had a few get togethers with Oystein and I've been very impressed by him and Garry. They both seem like great guys that are looking forward and as a result I feel confident posting that MPA is a good choice.

Twisty's
NS Cash
Naughty Allie
Shanes World

I think these all do. If you go to their signup page, you can tell that they are all using MPA3.

If I am wrong on any of these, I'm very sorry.

Blue Fantasies yes.

Twistys no. Twistys uses ps5

I am not sure about NATS much since i really havent done anything with them, but we have with MPA3 with AdultLounge program and have recommended many other affiliate programs to MPA3 and they are all very satisfied and happy. Very professional and good people at MPA3.

My bad Shap ... you rock. I love Twisty's as a webmaster and a surfer :)

I know a program that specifically asked to NOT have the shaving module included, and it was anyway... because it wasn't a module but a part of the core.

From a hosting and programming perspective we have an easier time integrating mpa 3 honestly.

Rand, I value your opinion greatly, but I have to find fault with your reasoning. Time spent != Integrity.

I give weight to length of relationship, when problems arise, or difficulties develop. I cut all relationships when core integrity issues surface. Embezzlement, theft, etc. If an employee of 8 years at Paycom aided in the theft from your affiliates/customers, would you not fire and consider that person 'dead to you'?

Oystein's judgement call to value $$$ over longevity shows a complete lack of integrity. That can be pushed aside with, "I made a mistake", "That is water under the bridge", etc etc. I think this decision went to show the foundation (or lack there of) of the person.

Not only did his modules fuck affiliates, it fucked everyone that runs an affiliate program. It confirmed the 'boogie man' to a lot of people who only had theories in the past. Programs that did not/do not shave were instantly put in the category of 'shavers' because of this.

-dd

no offense, but neither parties are innocent of fucking webmasters, just look at NATS and Porngraph

No offense taken ;) I am bumping your beats right now...

I have used both MPA and NATS in my program. Hands down, NATS is a superior program with way more functionality.

While I know MPA3 is not supposed to have the shaving feature MPA2 had set by default, but because of the MPA2 shaving feature, I lost many affiliates and saw a loss in the bottom line because of it.

NAT has always given me great support, and has always been a solid product.

Oytein, Garry and the Mansion Productions team have helped us build a great program. We've been working with them for 3 years in which time the service and ongoing innovation and development have been consistantly good.

I highly recommend them.

I would say NATS, by comparison they are almost identical systems (database structures, etc) which ironically both look like the x3 scripts

You are insane, the mpa3 template engine is the biggest joke i've ever seen. unless its been completely changed in the last 7 months.

w00t w00t, now THAT is what I like to hear!

Keep on making tracks like 2, 3, 4, 5

They all rock, but the above 4 are on never ending loop at house.

-dd

I usually ignore posts like this these days... however-

Since I know Flashcash bought Nats back in November (not launched yet as I can see) it saddens me to see these kind of posts just to boast your own investment while stepping on others.

You obviously dont know me.

I am proud to call Jason Rhino, your boss and the founder of Flashcash, a friend since 97/98 and both you and him "got mail".

My work in this industry is to ensure that I please my clients and make them more money. My clients are program owners and affiliates.

:2 cents:

If you have $25k, and want your own code like vivid, girls gone wild, naughty america, and many others...

http://executivestats.com

If you don't have $25k, both NATS and MPA3 are good programs, ran by good guys.

MPA3 does it for me. Easily customisable and were running some great custom scripts.

Wildcash.com uses NATS and its the best thing we ever did. We moved from MPA2 which was a buggy mess and moved to the nice stable system of NATS. The support has always been topnotch and the NATS system was just designed perfect from the word go. Its super fast, extremely flexible, basicly anything you want to do, you CAN do it with NATS.

NATS is far cheaper than MPA3 when scaling as well, we'd be paying maybe $1200-$1500 a month to MPA3 if we used them cause of there scaling fee for the more memberships you push through your program. With NATS you can push as many signups as you like and its $600 flat fee. That really ads up to $1000's a year when you get big.

There is no choice NATS does everything and its extremely well priced.

Matt

As an affiliate, I like both, but would still prefer NATS over MPA3, mainly because NATS has no shave feature, and MPA3 does.

MPA3 doesnt have a shaving function from what I'm aware of
NATS doesnt have either

This doesnt mean a merchant cannot shave with any of these platforms.

Everytime on this subject people bring up software features to bash or question
the reputation from some company. Software does NOT cheat people.....people
cheat people. There is NO affiliate software available on the market that
PREVENTS programs to commit fraud. Instead of questioning the Software
developer you should question the program owner. They are the ones that can
commit fraud if they chose to. :2 cents:

So are you saying from MPA2 to MPA3, the shaving feature was removed? I do not think so, but if you have a link regarding more info on that, post it.

As an affiliate I always liked the look and feel of NATS over any of the others, it was familiar and easy to use... So when I started my own program I looked forward to using NATS on it and just was able to have it installed in the last week. Soon I can give my affiliates the same easy to use experience that I always enjoyed.

I do not know the other programs well enough to speak about them besides on the affiliate side to say I preferred NATS.. Oystein always seems like a great guy and I have a lot of respect for his program also when I was researching.. But it just came down to what myself and a lot of other affiliates are familiar with when I made my pick of the two.

Cool thanks, that link confirms the shave feature was NOT removed in MPA3.

from that thread:



Listen, I wasn't born yesterday. My point is that mpa3 was released with no shaving module towards their clients at least in public. Now if mpa3 or nats or whatever aff. platform offers it to certain clients I cannot really tell.

I believe you are misinterpreting Oystein's quote. As far as I know, there is a feature in MPA which allows for only a certain percentage of actual sales to be counted. That feature is adjustable. I've seen a screen shot of it.

what you saw was from mpa2

Yes, that is true. The screenshot I saw was from MPA2.

Notice how Oystein did not say directly that the shaving feature from MPA2 was removed in MPA3? I believe, that is because it wasnt. He only states, "MPA3 delivered from Mansion Productions does not, nor will it ever have, any module that allows for any modification of any kind of stats.", which can mean anything.