Blue Fantasies yes.

Twistys no. Twistys uses ps5

I am not sure about NATS much since i really havent done anything with them, but we have with MPA3 with AdultLounge program and have recommended many other affiliate programs to MPA3 and they are all very satisfied and happy. Very professional and good people at MPA3.

My bad Shap ... you rock. I love Twisty's as a webmaster and a surfer :)

I know a program that specifically asked to NOT have the shaving module included, and it was anyway... because it wasn't a module but a part of the core.

From a hosting and programming perspective we have an easier time integrating mpa 3 honestly.

Rand, I value your opinion greatly, but I have to find fault with your reasoning. Time spent != Integrity.

I give weight to length of relationship, when problems arise, or difficulties develop. I cut all relationships when core integrity issues surface. Embezzlement, theft, etc. If an employee of 8 years at Paycom aided in the theft from your affiliates/customers, would you not fire and consider that person 'dead to you'?

Oystein's judgement call to value $$$ over longevity shows a complete lack of integrity. That can be pushed aside with, "I made a mistake", "That is water under the bridge", etc etc. I think this decision went to show the foundation (or lack there of) of the person.

Not only did his modules fuck affiliates, it fucked everyone that runs an affiliate program. It confirmed the 'boogie man' to a lot of people who only had theories in the past. Programs that did not/do not shave were instantly put in the category of 'shavers' because of this.

-dd

no offense, but neither parties are innocent of fucking webmasters, just look at NATS and Porngraph

No offense taken ;) I am bumping your beats right now...

I have used both MPA and NATS in my program. Hands down, NATS is a superior program with way more functionality.

While I know MPA3 is not supposed to have the shaving feature MPA2 had set by default, but because of the MPA2 shaving feature, I lost many affiliates and saw a loss in the bottom line because of it.

NAT has always given me great support, and has always been a solid product.

Oytein, Garry and the Mansion Productions team have helped us build a great program. We've been working with them for 3 years in which time the service and ongoing innovation and development have been consistantly good.

I highly recommend them.

I would say NATS, by comparison they are almost identical systems (database structures, etc) which ironically both look like the x3 scripts

You are insane, the mpa3 template engine is the biggest joke i've ever seen. unless its been completely changed in the last 7 months.

w00t w00t, now THAT is what I like to hear!

Keep on making tracks like 2, 3, 4, 5

They all rock, but the above 4 are on never ending loop at house.

-dd

I usually ignore posts like this these days... however-

Since I know Flashcash bought Nats back in November (not launched yet as I can see) it saddens me to see these kind of posts just to boast your own investment while stepping on others.

You obviously dont know me.

I am proud to call Jason Rhino, your boss and the founder of Flashcash, a friend since 97/98 and both you and him "got mail".

My work in this industry is to ensure that I please my clients and make them more money. My clients are program owners and affiliates.

:2 cents:

If you have $25k, and want your own code like vivid, girls gone wild, naughty america, and many others...

http://executivestats.com

If you don't have $25k, both NATS and MPA3 are good programs, ran by good guys.

MPA3 does it for me. Easily customisable and were running some great custom scripts.

Wildcash.com uses NATS and its the best thing we ever did. We moved from MPA2 which was a buggy mess and moved to the nice stable system of NATS. The support has always been topnotch and the NATS system was just designed perfect from the word go. Its super fast, extremely flexible, basicly anything you want to do, you CAN do it with NATS.

NATS is far cheaper than MPA3 when scaling as well, we'd be paying maybe $1200-$1500 a month to MPA3 if we used them cause of there scaling fee for the more memberships you push through your program. With NATS you can push as many signups as you like and its $600 flat fee. That really ads up to $1000's a year when you get big.

There is no choice NATS does everything and its extremely well priced.

Matt

As an affiliate, I like both, but would still prefer NATS over MPA3, mainly because NATS has no shave feature, and MPA3 does.

MPA3 doesnt have a shaving function from what I'm aware of
NATS doesnt have either

This doesnt mean a merchant cannot shave with any of these platforms.

Everytime on this subject people bring up software features to bash or question
the reputation from some company. Software does NOT cheat people.....people
cheat people. There is NO affiliate software available on the market that
PREVENTS programs to commit fraud. Instead of questioning the Software
developer you should question the program owner. They are the ones that can
commit fraud if they chose to. :2 cents:

So are you saying from MPA2 to MPA3, the shaving feature was removed? I do not think so, but if you have a link regarding more info on that, post it.

As an affiliate I always liked the look and feel of NATS over any of the others, it was familiar and easy to use... So when I started my own program I looked forward to using NATS on it and just was able to have it installed in the last week. Soon I can give my affiliates the same easy to use experience that I always enjoyed.

I do not know the other programs well enough to speak about them besides on the affiliate side to say I preferred NATS.. Oystein always seems like a great guy and I have a lot of respect for his program also when I was researching.. But it just came down to what myself and a lot of other affiliates are familiar with when I made my pick of the two.

Cool thanks, that link confirms the shave feature was NOT removed in MPA3.

from that thread:



Listen, I wasn't born yesterday. My point is that mpa3 was released with no shaving module towards their clients at least in public. Now if mpa3 or nats or whatever aff. platform offers it to certain clients I cannot really tell.

I believe you are misinterpreting Oystein's quote. As far as I know, there is a feature in MPA which allows for only a certain percentage of actual sales to be counted. That feature is adjustable. I've seen a screen shot of it.

what you saw was from mpa2

Yes, that is true. The screenshot I saw was from MPA2.

Notice how Oystein did not say directly that the shaving feature from MPA2 was removed in MPA3? I believe, that is because it wasnt. He only states, "MPA3 delivered from Mansion Productions does not, nor will it ever have, any module that allows for any modification of any kind of stats.", which can mean anything.

I know nothing about either programs...

But I would think, actually I know, that instead of basing my choice on a poll of opinions, I would demo each program and choose the one that I liked the best and worked the best with what I was trying to accomplish...

Ok so which program should I "trust"? :-)
Sooo many comments.

I want to hear some more real life use about it all...

MPA3 has NO SHAVING right? OR am I wrong?
I would not like SHAVING related to the product I choose...

Oystin, comments please?

There's no built in shaving in either AFAIK.

MPA3, of course. It's great software and Oystein rocks! They've always been good to us and helped us in anyway necessary.

A big part of the problem with choosing anything in this biz is perception vs. reality. Someone makes a post complaining about something and it becomes the truth of the issue to people for a long time to come. Heck I still have people hitting me up thinking I still work for companies I consulted for like two years ago.

In any case, I haven't used MPA so I can't intelligently comment on it but I am very hapy with NATs. I'm sure they are both great products so you probably have to weigh out if either or the other is going to help the webmaster perception of your program moving forward.

Chris,

There is not even a remotely chance of ever having any shaving whatsoever in MPA3. Being in the position we are in, on the top of the list of affiliate program softwares, and always under scrutiny by both program owners and affiliates it would be suicide to even consider it. We take pride in protecting ourselves and our program owners and their affiliates.

Here is an example of what we recently did to a company that actually tried to add one to their MPA3 program recently:

http://www.xbiz.com/pressrelease_piece.php?id=10993

Copy of the release:

"
Mansion Productions Pursues MPA3 Misconduct
Thursday, October 27, 2005

LOS ANGELES ? Mansion Productions, whose suite of software products streamlines paysite administration, has issued a notice of termination to a user of its popular MPA3 affiliate software.

The user was found to have altered MPA3's source code. According to a top Mansion Productions officer, "We discovered that a certain affiliate program had deployed an unauthorized module that seriously tampered with Mansion's own code."

These changes could have potentially affected the integrity of affiliate data. The officer added, "We wanted to nip this in the bud to prevent any further abuse of our product to potentially create inaccurate affiliate data."

Mansion Productions has zero tolerance for this type of activity, and has engaged counsel to take appropriate action.

For more information, visit www.mansionproductions.com.
"

So as you can see we are very much on top of this.

We focus on ensuring that programs using MPA3 can seriously optimize the join sequense by offering all the most valuable payment platforms our industry has to offer. We also have features in MPA3 that allow for 100% zero traffic loss for the affiliates (if a surfer drops out of tours etc. they can be redirected to other programs they are promoting also outside of the "follow-me" type of feature that is already a standard feature in MPA3), extremely accurate tracking for the affiliates by not only using cookies, but also by using IP tracking where cookies fail.

Ill hit you up on AIM and give you the full access to the demo version so you can check it out for yourself as well.

:2 cents:

Not again...you didnt post the name of the affiliate program, so its obviously a fake story to make MPA look better.

Unfortunately it is very true. And we sit on the evidence and our lawyers handled the client for now. We shut down their $17,500 software and they hardly commented on it - something we find very interesting.

Tell you what, you sign a non-confid. agreement with Mansion and I will tell you who it is and show you the evidence. I have no problems with that. What is your ICQ? Ill contact you.

:2 cents:

sure, I have no problem with that, you can let me know at support (at) nextdoorcash.com
:)

You got mail :thumbsup

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Never used MP3A, but I love working with NATS.

Shane's World did a lot of research when it came time to choose NATS or MPA. After much back and forth and playing with both and soliciting opinions of others ... We went with MPA. I absolutly love the software and cant speak high enough about the support. It has opened lots of new doors for us as a program, made stats a hell of a lot better for our affiliates and a million other things i could run through here.

The thing that really has stood out to me is the support and the ability to customize it so easily. I truly feel the software grows with us. As far as support, i have never had a company go so far above and beyond the call of duty. For example, i had a problem with my old host on a holiday evening and was out of the office. My host did NOT contact me ... Mansion contacted me. They noticed the problem, tracked down my cell phone number and worked with the host all evening to get everything back up within 2 hours. They also helped track down tons of informtaion for me when i had a merchant company incorrectly overcharge me. MPA programers created a script to extract some much needed info to prove the merchant company was wrong ... all at no cost to me. They had no profit gaining reasons to do this.

I cannot comment on NATS support as i have not used it ... but i can say Mansions support has been amazing! If you need support and the ability to grow on the"fly" ... I say go with MPA. You will not regret it.

xoxo,
Megan

Well said Megan! Amazing support and customization.

MPA3 rocks. Very happy with it and I would recommend them to anyone.
Good luck with whatever you decide.

Thanks a BUNCH Megan. That means a lot coming from you and the Shanes World crew!

What I can say back is that we TRY, and we try hard.

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Ok, next question.....

Can we get feature lists posted here? I would like to know the features
of each. Now, yes, I can go *look* on the sites and etc... But I would like
to know which programs lack certain things people need/require and etc...
I dont need a feature by feature breakdown, but more like a list of the
things people actually use on a day to day basis.

Next question,
Will NATS or MPA3 work as an affiliate system for a VoIP service provider?
Its much like the same thing as membership sites... The only real difference
is they get phone numbers as usernames and phone-type things like that.

What is the most non-adult installation of nats and mpa3 out there?
There has to be some mainstream non-adult use.

-Chris

Chris,

For the feature list it will be a lot more helpful to give you the full demo over the phone and guided via your browser as we go. Our clients obviously use a lot of the same features on a daily basis, but also there are so many other features that some use and some dont. In fact, I dare say that MPA3 is so full of features that if we take the client that use the MOST of all the features we offer in there - they still only use 80% of what CAN be used. (!!!!!)

MPA3 can be used as an affiliate system for systems such as a VoIp service provider - some minor customizations and it should be in place. We have other clients that does similar things using MPA3 in mainstream.

To your questions about mainstream clients I can honestly say that we dont have a LOT but a few companies using it very successfully - it translates well.

:thumbsup

well,
at least MPA3 should be able to do it. if you bill your customer on monthly plans it should really make no differnce between memberships and VOIP monthly billing.
It will be small changes.
if you wanna more bigger integration with platforms like Asterisk or Cisco VOIP(have bill per minute plans) is a little bit more complicated but yet doable.
I think may be it is best to speak with oysteinATmansionproductions.com.
I suggest you prepare some brief description on how your system work and send it to him.

Regarding NATS it is possible too. However I belive it will be more stable and scalable if you go with MPA3 guys.

Hi Chris,

I'll post a list of features here in a bit, it will take me a while to collect them all though, but I'll do my best to give you the main ones.

Handling a VoIP service provider is no issue at all, and also needs no customization due to the advanced features NATS offers. You could even let NATS payout based on the number of calls made, give them call stats and such without any customization through our extended payouts&stats system.

Since we are of course routed in adult most of our customers, just like MPA, are adult companies. We do have a few shops and a few software companies selling applications via NATS. Of course also multiple pharamacy sites.

Again, regarding the features, I'll be posting some here ASAP.

Chris , we are very happy with NATS :) go for the gold cheers