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DamageX 02-18-2006 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
well in this case, the opinion seems to be true, check MaDalton's post
You really crack me up. :)

Cool, let's check MaDalton's post. Did you notice the "here in Eastern Germany" part? Did you know that Eastern Germany is far less industrialized and overall in much worse economical shape than the Western part? Did you know that Eastern Germany has fewer states and overall only less than 1/3 of the surface of WHOLE Germany and the population ratio is thereabout as well? These are just a few facts that can be thrown in, just to make the overall picture more accurate.

To sum it up "the opinon seems to be true", based on one fellow webmaster's short post, really isn't something you should consider. Try some statistical yearbooks, perhaps even some online poblications. I have no problem with you making a fool out of ourself, but the least you could do is have some self-respect and dignity. Blurting out ignorance is just bad business. I hope you do yourself a favour and take my post the right way.

polish_aristocrat 02-18-2006 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DamageX
You really crack me up. :)

Cool, let's check MaDalton's post. Did you notice the "here in Eastern Germany" part? Did you know that Eastern Germany is far less industrialized and overall in much worse economical shape than the Western part? Did you know that Eastern Germany has fewer states and overall only less than 1/3 of the surface of WHOLE Germany and the population ratio is thereabout as well? These are just a few facts that can be thrown in, just to make the overall picture more accurate.
I know all of that, but I also can't imagine that the differences are as high as you claim. In example 1500 euro on average in East Germany and 3500 on average in West Germany, for the same type of jobs. Thats simple impossible.

DamageX 02-18-2006 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
I know all of that, but I also can't imagine that the differences are as high as you claim. In example 1500 euro on average in East Germany and 3500 on average in West Germany, for the same type of jobs. Thats simple impossible.
Your example is not only flawed, but also irrelevant to this discussion.

First of all, I never spoke about any averages, you did. I simply stated that at that income rate you may simply be better off holding a factory job. To back that up, try finding out how much General Motors factory employees make in Germany, you'll get my point.

Second, I am pretty sure MaDalton was speaking about NET wages of ?1-2000/mo. Meaning that the gross COST of such a wage would be at least 1.5-2x that, depending on company, after taking into account income tax, social security taxes, employer's taxes and whatnot. These would differ from from company to company and even from region to region. So again, you're comparing apples to oranges.

wedouglas 02-18-2006 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by After Shock Media
I dissagree. Your lifestyle does not have to get more expensive. Nor do I see the point of making money is to spend it. I find it very important to think ahead and and plan for the future. So few have anything to fall back on and even fewer have enough saved or working for them in the future when possibly they can not work.

I know my personal income is pretty damn good. My standard of living though has pretty much remained the same. Only real change is that my house is paid off. I am not spending more on clothes, cars, or other stuff that really does not matter to me. Sure I take vacations that I previously could not afford and things like that. Yet I have made sure I am not building up any recurring debt or payments to enjoy my life. I do not care to much what others think of me or have a need to show off what I make. Afterall my twenty dollar watch tells the same time as an expensive one.
Why make money if you aren't going to spend it at some point? Saving to fall back on is one thing, but saying that you don't make money to spend it makes no sense. Everyone should put money aside for a rainy day. Especially in this industry. But after you do that, you should live a little better.

If you are making 200K a year, have 800K in investments etc, then yes, I think you should start buying the exotic or nicer "things". Those "things" are different to everyone. Some would buy a Ferarri, some would buy a vacation house. Point being, you should spend money.

nadanada 02-18-2006 05:30 PM
great post.

in regards to spending more money because either you make more or just because you can, I believe to be foolish.

I think it is great that some people have more cars than days to drive them, multiple personal properties, and lots of "bling." I'd settle for just one 1967 911s or a 78-79 930. even those are out of my reach, because I'm lazy :thumbsup

big spending isn't for everybody. as gay as this sounds, each person has different needs. they all want different things from money, and some want none.

who knows, maybe aliens will invade tomorrow and kill us all.

will76 02-18-2006 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by After Shock Media
All of the time I see people who literally seem to make fun or or mock those who do not make vast sums of money or apparently wipe with one hundred dollar bills. I am sure you can recall many posts where someone tells someone to quit now, leave the industry, or go back to burger flipping. I still even see these types of posts when someone reports to be making eight hundred to one thousand a week.

I know many feel it is in the spirit of the board or whatever to make as many people feel as bad as possible about themselves whenever they can. I am also sure many of the haters are more than likely envious of the others accomplishments. I would just like to bring a little perspective or reality into all of this.

If you happen to be living in the US and happen to be making more than seven hundred and eighty five bucks a week you are doing fairly damn well. Before the haters come and scoff at that figure keep in mind that is the average household gross median income. Typically that is including more than one income earner in the household as well. If you are making close to that or more you are doing better off than the vast majority of Americans. So do not let anyone get to you or make you feel like you are doing less than you should.

I will not pretend and say making more does not matter, nor will I claim that is not reasonable to do so with hard work ethics and a strong desire to do so. What you do currently have though is an occupation that is paying you a fairly decent rate of pay despite what the haters and others claim. Keep at it and do not let them get to you.
There is nothing wrong with making even $500 a week or less from online stuff, especially if you doing it part time. I would never rip anyone who is trying the best they can. I have a problem with the people who make next to nothing but think they know it all and proceed to tell me I am wrong. That would be fine if it was about politics or religion, etc... but when it comes to making money (and keep in mind they make none) these people deserve what they get when they take on these conversations.

MaDalton 02-19-2006 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DamageX
Your example is not only flawed, but also irrelevant to this discussion.

First of all, I never spoke about any averages, you did. I simply stated that at that income rate you may simply be better off holding a factory job. To back that up, try finding out how much General Motors factory employees make in Germany, you'll get my point.

Second, I am pretty sure MaDalton was speaking about NET wages of ?1-2000/mo. Meaning that the gross COST of such a wage would be at least 1.5-2x that, depending on company, after taking into account income tax, social security taxes, employer's taxes and whatnot. These would differ from from company to company and even from region to region. So again, you're comparing apples to oranges.

just a quick example:

we now employ a 42 year old programmer, married, 2 children and he earns 1600 euro gross, not net. in big cities in western germany like hamburg or munich he would earn about 2 or 3 times of that.

funbkey 02-19-2006 06:18 AM
I am not making enough, may be in future it is possible

adultchica 02-19-2006 06:23 AM
Excellent post ASM

vdewd 02-19-2006 07:27 AM
thank you says vdewd as he puts away his revolver.

Persignup Dustin 02-19-2006 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by chase
I've supported a family of six on $1200 a month, so sometimes I am floored by the lavish lifestyle some people here claim to have, lol.
Wow how'd you do that???


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