80% of the people held since 911 are innocent, they come in looking for a guys brother he isnt there. They take who is there. Our rights are what make us a great country, you start cutting back on them for false safety .They win. Lets get something straight 911 could of been prevented, they wanted it to happen so they could move forward with their agenda.

The US is coming dangerously close to creating a situation where other countries, even first world countries, will have no reason and no impetus to even attempt to work with the US.

Yes, I'm American, just as much as any of the other people that were born and raised here. But I don't agree with alot of the heavy handed decisions that are being made, especially in conflict with global organizations and assocations that we've long used as our own bully pulpit, such as the UN or the WTO.

Just because we're American doesn't mean we can do everything on our own. There are way more people in China alone than the US, I don't think we're going to like it if they become a first world nation.

We are supposed to be better than that.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

Well said :thumbsup

Finally some sense from an American! :thumbsup

Hey there were a couple of gun violence threads you haven't spewed in yet. Might want to run a search real quick.

ah crap america freedoms was never at stake in the first place , so what you had a plane fly into a few buildings , build a bridge get over it

its that patriotic shit at work , as one great leader once said , tell the lie , enforce the lie , the lie soon becomes the truth

if anything , your freedom has changed from within your own government not from outside parties

ahahahaha... nice comeback, loser. :1orglaugh

Maybe, but the Bush admin is THE MOST corrupt organization in the world.

Nice,you say so what a couple of planes flew into some buildings and killed a few thousand....are you fucking kidding me???

Explain how that was a comeback oh wise one.

It was your post, you explain it you tool. Considering it had nothing to do with the topic at hand I had to assume it was some kind of pathetic attempt at a comeback that failed horribly.

If I were arguing with you I might need a comeback but I weren't. I don't think I took a stance either way on the issue except to say "a fucking truce?"

That's funny, but I don't see the UN forcing the US to do anything...

FUCK the UN

They're not Fucking POW's and they don't wear any uniform so they don't get legal aid. Because the Geneva convention doesn't apply and they didn't sign it they have no legal options but to sit in a cell until the end of the war.

wtf you must be my twin brother or something, i swear i was just about to type the exact same thing.

what war ? i thought the war was over.. or did you mean the war on terrorism ? , bush said that war will never end..

i agree with UN. after all the UNited Nations, being an international body, puts primordial importance on human rights. every man, prisoner or otherwise, deserves to live in a fully human condition. anything less is deplorable.

So they're not POW's yet they have no option but to sit in a jail cell until the end of the war. Lemme guess, you're in the south.

WTF does being from the south have to do with anything?

...Guantanamo Bay will forever (and rightly) be regarded as a stain on the USA's history - that's a fact.

yeah, you're right. the UN is there to save the day... its what they do. fuck all the innocent men, women and children who are getting butchered in the world... hopefully the UN will step it up and protect the taliban fighters, terrorists and mercenaries.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

is it wrong to say "America Fuck Yeah"??? :P
anyhow.. time will tell

the big mighty US with NO social security system, an economy that drives on debts and war, no capability to handle local disasters, where racism is the standard and human rights or international agreements mean nothing, no real culture or even a real history (atleast not one they recogize or respect), the land that once was the safe haven for the scum of the earth, ...., ... thinks it controls the world now and can do whatever they want to do and force anyone to do what they want them to do.

Well let me give one small example: a few good missles from iran on a few oil tankers and the whole western society (including the european) collapses.

We're more alike than you might think, hehe.
WG