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wm_cibi 02-11-2006 02:27 PM

http://www.whois.sc/TAWNEESTONESOFFICIALSITE.com Domain is available :)

andrej_NDC 02-11-2006 02:28 PM

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Axeman 02-11-2006 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed
How about review sites that penalize for softcore? Or let reviewers who don't even understand a niche review a site in that niche?

Good one Steve. This is a huge pet peeve of mine. Worse yet, they have one reviewer do all sites in your niche, but then you get another person all together who hasn't reviewed the other sites your being rated against.... arghh

KRL 02-11-2006 02:33 PM

The adult industry has always been a case of everyone trying anything they can to make an extra buck out of it, so at the end of the day, hopefully, the I'm fucking you while you're fucking me, balances out.

gideongallery 02-11-2006 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DraX
I agree totally with everything except the register domain thingy

Either we have to 1) trademark the brand (and put time on sueing) 2) Be better at SEO than the confusing domain 3) Buy all the confusing domains (within reasonable range)

If its a top money making brand, some if it may be worth the trouble
hmmm
Also if an affiliate decides to buy a similiar domain and the intention to promote the site I see mostly positive things

Some may believe im wrong on some parts, but this is how I feel it

1. if you have a valid REGISTERED trademark you don't have to spend a lot of time to get the domain, a simple 3 page wipo complaint can take that domain name away from offending webmaster.

However if you choose to not do the necessary whitepaper search (required since 2000) and lied about the validity of the trademark, they you don't have a shot in hell of getting the domain away from that person.

GatorB 02-11-2006 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed
Fair is fair! In response to this thread, lets do "Dirty little secrets of affiliates" here.

Do you know of a dirty little secret that one or more affiliates use that results in decreased sponsor income? If so, post it here, no company names needed. I'll start with ones that have always bugged me and is done by TOO MANY affiliates.


- How about the guy that signs up his "brother", "mother", "uncle", "sister", "neighbor" and his dog under HIS OWN REFFERAL, just to send his own traffic and get the 10% referral fee on top of his payout?

Then sponsors shouldn't have webmaster referal programs at all. If I can get a program 10 new webmasters, well isn't that what they want? If I signed up 10 strangers would I be just as entitled to that 10%? WTF is the difference?

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- How about the guy that registers domains like TAWNEESTONESOFFICIALSITE.com to confuse surfers?
Well first of all if it's a major violation of trademark there are legal remedies to that. If you are bitching about misspells of websites, well if someone is too lazy, cheap or just plain too stupid not to register common misspellings of their websites names that's their own fault.

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- Another pet peeve is affiliates that remove our watermarks from content we provide, then add THEIR OWN. or use our exclusive content to promote a competing sponsor.

Others?
This is wrong and the webmaster should have his account terminated. I'm sure if that sponsor cantacted the sponsor that webmaster was promoting they would terminate his account too.

Atticus 02-11-2006 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB
Then sponsors shouldn't have webmaster referal programs at all. If I can get a program 10 new webmasters, well isn't that what they want? If I signed up 10 strangers would I be just as entitled to that 10%? WTF is the difference?


Dont think he was being literal. Thus the quotation marks. The "mother" and "brother" were really the same guy you see. :helpme

GatorB 02-11-2006 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus
Dont think he was being literal. Thus the quotation marks. The "mother" and "brother" were really the same guy you see. :helpme


Well since you have to have their SS # to "sign" them up well you are already comitting a federal felony. Even if they gave you permission THEY would be responsible for the taxes. Now how many family members are going to let you use thier SS #'s so you can sign up for fake accounts to sponsors program when they are going to have to pay more taxes?

TheJimmy 02-11-2006 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL
The adult industry has always been a case of everyone trying anything they can to make an extra buck out of it, so at the end of the day, hopefully, the I'm fucking you while you're fucking me, balances out.


You mean there's a whole lot of fucking going on in the fuckin' biz?

:winkwink:

liars, and twinks and bears, OH MY!

(sorry, just in one of those over caffinated moments)

aico 02-11-2006 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dugmor
How about the affiliates that show up at your party ... drink all your booze... fu*k all you paid prostitutes.... and never plan on sending even one click !


When's your next party? :winkwink:

JFK 02-11-2006 03:54 PM

fitty...................... dirty little secrets:Graucho

TreasureBucks 02-11-2006 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed
Another --- creating a message board or community where they encourage users to post stolen content, but only with watermarks removed. Or encourage users to post whole SITE RIPS!

well, thats not really an affiliate then is it???

TreasureBucks 02-11-2006 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed
How about affiliates that run large multi-page link lists, then publish their ratios as if every single sponsor was given the same quality traffic as the first 10 on the first page of the list?

thats a good point there.

TreasureBucks 02-11-2006 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed
How about PPS affiliates that give instructions to their surfers how to cancel trials?

might want to work that one into the terms and conditions, becuase thats low.

Scotty.T 02-11-2006 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat
one question that comes to mind, you posted like 6 months ago that LightspeedCash is "from now on - invite only", now I took a look and it seems like it isnt like that anymore, which would suggest that you realized, affiliates are still a good thing to have :)

In fairness he also said he would review it at a later date (beginning of October I think). He did review it, opened it again and posted it, citing the freshness etc that new affiliates can bring to a program etc.

TreasureBucks 02-11-2006 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dugmor
How about the affiliates that show up at your party ... drink all your booze... fu*k all you paid prostitutes.... and never plan on sending even one click !

Now thats enough to get an affiiliate account yanked right there!!!
:) :2 cents: :thumbsup

TreasureBucks 02-11-2006 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRL
The adult industry has always been a case of everyone trying anything they can to make an extra buck out of it, so at the end of the day, hopefully, the I'm fucking you while you're fucking me, balances out.

Im not down with fucking people over..... are you saying i need to start, to balance it all out?? :upsidedow

JFK 02-11-2006 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni
That's what happens to cocky, dick waving program owners.

IDIOT:321GFY You ever been off the rock??

Rolo 02-11-2006 04:57 PM

I´m shocked that not a single affiliate have stepped forward to tell that he/she "does none of the things, which have been mentioned so far" like some sponsors did in the other thread ;-)))

sandman! 02-11-2006 05:01 PM

i try to send traffic to everyone who has got me drunk at a convention :)

XMaster 02-11-2006 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolo
I´m shocked that not a single affiliate have stepped forward to tell that he/she "does none of the things, which have been mentioned so far" like some sponsors did in the other thread ;-)))

:1orglaugh Good point...and if they do now, i will sounds too fucking late :upsidedow

aico 02-11-2006 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolo
I´m shocked that not a single affiliate have stepped forward to tell that he/she "does none of the things, which have been mentioned so far" like some sponsors did in the other thread ;-)))

Probably most of them on here didn't even know that these ideas existed... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

you-hypocrite 02-11-2006 05:21 PM

What about sponsors that allow some affiliates to do dirty little tricks that affect other affilates but the sponsor allows it because the affiliate doing the dirty little tricks makes the sponsor more money than the affilate that is trying to make an honest living? And then the sponsor has the cheek to post on a webmaster board talking about dirty tricks when he allows it for some but not others. I think that sponsors should look after all affiliates equally instead of different rules for some just because they make them more money, Remember if you didn't have affiliates you would not be where you are today, try treating them equal instead of being greedy and allowing different rules for an extra dollar. And affiliates that cheat maybe someone could make a database where all sponsors could add cheaters that have actually been caught cheating so they cant sign up for any programs
My :2 cents:

aico 02-11-2006 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by you-hypocrite
What about sponsors that allow some affiliates to do dirty little tricks that affect other affilates but the sponsor allows it because the affiliate doing the dirty little tricks makes the sponsor more money than the affilate that is trying to make an honest living? And then the sponsor has the cheek to post on a webmaster board talking about dirty tricks when he allows it for some but not others. I think that sponsors should look after all affiliates equally instead of different rules for some just because they make them more money, Remember if you didn't have affiliates you would not be where you are today, try treating them equal instead of being greedy and allowing different rules for an extra dollar. And affiliates that cheat maybe someone could make a database where all sponsors could add cheaters that have actually been caught cheating so they cant sign up for any programs
My :2 cents:

sorry but we don't take anyone seriously who is too chicken shit to post their real screennames.

Oh welcome to life. That's the way ALL businesses are run.

BV 02-11-2006 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed
How about affiliates that run large multi-page link lists, then publish their ratios as if every single sponsor was given the same quality traffic as the first 10 on the first page of the list?

?????
Who does this?

pussyluver 02-11-2006 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico
sorry but we don't take anyone seriously who is too chicken shit to post their real screennames.

Oh welcome to life. That's the way ALL businesses are run.

Ok I'll ditto his comments. And whoever posted that should have the balls to sign their name to the comments!

pussyluver 02-11-2006 05:35 PM

My sites have been shit on in so many ways! I'd start listing them, but I'd only have more of the same.

Brujah 02-11-2006 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by you-hypocrite
What about sponsors that allow some affiliates to do dirty little tricks that affect other affilates but the sponsor allows it because the affiliate doing the dirty little tricks makes the sponsor more money than the affilate that is trying to make an honest living? And then the sponsor has the cheek to post on a webmaster board talking about dirty tricks when he allows it for some but not others. I think that sponsors should look after all affiliates equally instead of different rules for some just because they make them more money, Remember if you didn't have affiliates you would not be where you are today, try treating them equal instead of being greedy and allowing different rules for an extra dollar. And affiliates that cheat maybe someone could make a database where all sponsors could add cheaters that have actually been caught cheating so they cant sign up for any programs
My :2 cents:

I would've posted something like this myself, but I'd have done it in the other thread "Dirty Little Secrets of Affiliate Programs" :)

pussyluver 02-11-2006 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dugmor
How about the affiliates that show up at your party ... drink all your booze... fu*k all you paid prostitutes.... and never plan on sending even one click !


I've sent traffic to every sponsor that helped get me drunk!!!

Brujah 02-11-2006 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed
How about affiliates that run large multi-page link lists, then publish their ratios as if every single sponsor was given the same quality traffic as the first 10 on the first page of the list?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV
?????
Who does this?

Hoes.com came to mind when he made that post. I wonder if that's who he's talking about. Did they give Lightspeed a poor conversion ration on their sponsors page ? I love reading mb's updates each month.

crockett 02-11-2006 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed
Fair is fair! In response to this thread, lets do "Dirty little secrets of affiliates" here.

Do you know of a dirty little secret that one or more affiliates use that results in decreased sponsor income? If so, post it here, no company names needed. I'll start with ones that have always bugged me and is done by TOO MANY affiliates.


- How about the guy that signs up his "brother", "mother", "uncle", "sister", "neighbor" and his dog under HIS OWN REFFERAL, just to send his own traffic and get the 10% referral fee on top of his payout?

- How about the guy that registers domains like TAWNEESTONESOFFICIALSITE.com to confuse surfers?

- Another pet peeve is affiliates that remove our watermarks from content we provide, then add THEIR OWN. or use our exclusive content to promote a competing sponsor.

Others?

Hey that's no fair, I only signed up my neighbor and brother.. you mean I can sign up my mother and uncle too?

Brujah 02-11-2006 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rolo
I´m shocked that not a single affiliate have stepped forward to tell that he/she "does none of the things, which have been mentioned so far" like some sponsors did in the other thread ;-)))

I'm taking notes. "Dirty Little Secrets" usually means more money. :1orglaugh

you-hypocrite 02-11-2006 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico
sorry but we don't take anyone seriously who is too chicken shit to post their real screennames.

Oh welcome to life. That's the way ALL businesses are run.

Just because it is my first post doesn't mean I have posted under another nick, I have just never had anything to say in the past because I dont normally get involved in message boards, but thought this thread was interesting and made it my first post. I didn't mean to offend anyone, it was just my :2 cents:

pussyluver 02-11-2006 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by you-hypocrite
What about sponsors that allow some affiliates to do dirty little tricks that affect other affilates but the sponsor allows it because the affiliate doing the dirty little tricks makes the sponsor more money than the affilate that is trying to make an honest living? And then the sponsor has the cheek to post on a webmaster board talking about dirty tricks when he allows it for some but not others. I think that sponsors should look after all affiliates equally instead of different rules for some just because they make them more money, Remember if you didn't have affiliates you would not be where you are today, try treating them equal instead of being greedy and allowing different rules for an extra dollar. And affiliates that cheat maybe someone could make a database where all sponsors could add cheaters that have actually been caught cheating so they cant sign up for any programs
My :2 cents:


Screw the database part. To much chance for abuse.

pussyluver 02-11-2006 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by you-hypocrite
Just because it is my first post doesn't mean I have posted under another nick, I have just never had anything to say in the past because I dont normally get involved in message boards, but thought this thread was interesting and made it my first post. I didn't mean to offend anyone, it was just my :2 cents:


Then who are you? What do you do in the industry? Odd user name. Seems like it was selected for this thread!

you-hypocrite 02-11-2006 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pussyluver
Screw the database part. To much chance for abuse.

Yes good point, I didn't think of that

gfx3 02-11-2006 05:48 PM

Just start with trademarking your sites, you will be able to close down all fraudulent domains using your brand name. I was surprised to how much this is abused in the adult industry.
Fleshlight.tv
thefleshlight.com

just a quick example, it's just not wise not to protect your brand even for an affiliate who might have good intentions with it. Try to set an auction site named the-e-bay.com, you won't know what hit you.

It's worth the $ to protect your brand name.

to Dugmor: If you invite potential affiliates to a party and they drink and eat on your costs and don't send you clicks well you can't blaim them, perhaps after talking with you they don't like what you have to offer. It's a business risk not only related to the adult industry. A company has a budget for this (or should have) a tgp gets freeloaders but in real life there are also lots of freeloaders. If you really hate that type of behaviour just stick to setting up a booth to talk with potential affiliates.

Something else that wasn't mentioned and bugs me is the abuse of known domain names on typo mistakes when you type naughtamerica.com instead of naughtyamerica.com and you get 15 popups. Also not good for you brand name, with a trademark you can claim these sites and redirect them to your own wich will benefit you again. (this hasn't got anything to do with affiliates but is also about abusing brand names.)

BV 02-11-2006 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah
Hoes.com came to mind when he made that post. I wonder if that's who he's talking about. Did they give Lightspeed a poor conversion ration on their sponsors page ? I love reading mb's updates each month.

I don't think Steve's statement was referring to Hoes.com sponsor list because then his statement would not be accurate as I don't understand how hoes could send different quality traffic to one sponsor over another.

I think Hoes list is great and I refer to that list myself when I need another sponsor for something. It's been right on the money.

you-hypocrite 02-11-2006 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pussyluver
Then who are you? What do you do in the industry? Odd user name. Seems like it was selected for this thread!

I am just a nobody in the industry,all I do is build galleries and try and make an honest living. having said that I better do some work, and once again I am sorry if I offended anyone that is why I dont normally say anything.

Meteoseek 02-11-2006 05:54 PM

How about affiliates listing all your 200+ hosted galleries in a row?


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