why are sponsors sucking the dick of affiliates? - GoFuckYourself.com

bigdog · 02-07-2006, 09:59 AM

I was thinking the other day why are sponsors giving so much to affilates, even submitting galleries for them. To me it seems that many more people are starting their own paysites and sending traffic to themselves. That guys who use to send you 10-20 joins a day is doing his own thing, sending traffic to himself. So the sponsors really have to appeal to the guys that only can send 1-3 joins a day. What are your thoughts?

sfera · 02-07-2006, 10:06 AM

yep alot of paysites, but ppl still promote affilatess

luv$ · 02-07-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

I was thinking the other day why are sponsors giving so much to affilates, even submitting galleries for them. To me it seems that many more people are starting their own paysites and sending traffic to themselves. That guys who use to send you 10-20 joins a day is doing his own thing, sending traffic to himself. So the sponsors really have to appeal to the guys that only can send 1-3 joins a day. What are your thoughts?

Well, a couple thoughts here.

One, it's good to scale up.

And two, with all of the bullshit webmasters have to go through today; as an example TGP/MGP's imposing ridiculous rules and hoops for affiliates to jump through, this industry appears to have become very lazy. The reality is, that many webmasters really do need help with a lot of things they do because there is just too much we have to keep an eye on nowadays.

At least this is from what I've been hearing.

Now, when it gets out of hand with some affiliates we won't do it. For instance, we will not open epass accounts for people. I was really surprised when I was asked this.

We try really hard to be affiliate-oriented and help our affiliates as much as we can. But there is a limit. The old adage about taking a mile is very applicable here. I personally believe that this is just the first stages in the industry slimming down on saturation and soon we may see some good conversions again. A good way to tell is the fact that there aren't as many designers around. Remember 2 years ago when all you had to do was ask a question and you'd get spammed by new designers? yeah, that was newbies trying to make it when they couldn't convert their traffic. At least that's what I thought....

I'm rambling here, but I truly believe webmasters will take this too far (as with everything else) and programs will stop accomodating it and we'll see a slimdown.

But this is all speculation.

DISCLAIMER: Hundies is dedicated to supporting our affiliates, my statements in no way reflect any intention of this company or it's plans. We will always provide assistance to our affiliates within the confines of rational requests and needs.

XMaster · 02-07-2006, 10:22 AM

For me there are 2 kind of skills:
- People who knows how to get traffic (quality or quantity).
- People who makes such a good sites that they convert very well.
As sponsor, i prefer to focus on this last skill but this business is so much competitive that some of them (sponsors) would make everything to catch affiliates.

fuzebox · 02-07-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by luv$

Now, when it gets out of hand with some affiliates we won't do it. For instance, we will not open epass accounts for people. I was really surprised when I was asked this.

Now that's a shame, signing up for a personal epassporte account can be a big pain in the ass, and it's much more convenient for a sponsor program with a business account to just create you one. I got mine from Lightspeed Cash after sending some sales and am very grateful

luv$ · 02-07-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Now that's a shame, signing up for a personal epassporte account can be a big pain in the ass, and it's much more convenient for a sponsor program with a business account to just create you one. I got mine from Lightspeed Cash after sending some sales and am very grateful

I didn't know it was a standard... though I could see us doing this for active affiliates.

I should have been more specific, if I remember correctly at the time I was asked it was from a new affiliate.

eroswebmaster · 02-07-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by luv$

A good way to tell is the fact that there aren't as many designers around. Remember 2 years ago when all you had to do was ask a question and you'd get spammed by new designers?

LOL you couldn't be more wrong about this statement, and sorry that means I have to be highly suspect of future statements.

american pervert · 02-07-2006, 10:59 AM

I remember back when all you got was a link code and banner, and you were happy to get that much!!!

luv$ · 02-07-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

LOL you couldn't be more wrong about this statement, and sorry that means I have to be highly suspect of future statements.

I should have said "A good way to tell is the fact that there aren't as many designers bombing threads as there used to be."

Yes, there are still a lot of designers around, of course.

But I have seen several "I need XXX designed, designers spam me" just drop right down with just a few replies. Haven't you?

The Duck · 02-07-2006, 11:00 AM

Who else would suck webmaster dicks?

seeric · 02-07-2006, 11:02 AM

interesting.

Doctor Dre · 02-07-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by luv$

I didn't know it was a standard... though I could see us doing this for active affiliates.

I should have been more specific, if I remember correctly at the time I was asked it was from a new affiliate.

Pretty much any affiliate program where you request it do it... some do without even asking (like ars... they created me another account without me asking)

They deduct the virtual visa fee from the payout.

luv$ · 02-07-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

Pretty much any affiliate program where you request it do it... some do without even asking (like ars... they created me another account without me asking)

They deduct the virtual visa fee from the payout.

That is really interesting.

Hmm

eroswebmaster · 02-07-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by luv$

I should have said "A good way to tell is the fact that there aren't as many designers bombing threads as there used to be."

Yes, there are still a lot of designers around, of course.

But I have seen several "I need XXX designed, designers spam me" just drop right down with just a few replies. Haven't you?

You are still wrong.

And this is coming from someone who was in the design game. The market is flooded right now with designers. It is a buyers market and if you haven't quite figured that out you're not looking clear enough.

4 years ago a gallery design would run you at a min $45. Some were charging up to $70.

2 years later $45 for a high quality gallery, $25 for bulk orders and $30 for a general template.
Now you'd be lucky to get $20 on bulk orders. *I am of course speaking as a designer who does not live in a 3rd world country*

Samewith paysite designs. I've seen good quality paysite designs *and by quality I mean pretty as I don't now how well they convert* for as little as $299.00

When people would ask about gallery designers there were usually the same couple of names that would pop up. Fletch, myself, machinegun kelly and then the thread would get spammed by outsourcing companies.

Every day it seems I see a new designer spamming the threads.

You may not notice it. But for someone who had to pay attention to it I noticed it...however I think that market will right itself soon enough.

andrej_NDC · 02-07-2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

LOL you couldn't be more wrong about this statement, and sorry that means I have to be highly suspect of future statements.

He is right, there are maybe hundreds of people who call themselfs designers, but it doesnt mean they are designers. I could count the amount of designers who have a clue on one hand.

luv$ · 02-07-2006, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

You are still wrong.

And this is coming from someone who was in the design game. The market is flooded right now with designers. It is a buyers market and if you haven't quite figured that out you're not looking clear enough.

4 years ago a gallery design would run you at a min $45. Some were charging up to $70.

2 years later $45 for a high quality gallery, $25 for bulk orders and $30 for a general template.
Now you'd be lucky to get $20 on bulk orders. *I am of course speaking as a designer who does not live in a 3rd world country*

Samewith paysite designs. I've seen good quality paysite designs *and by quality I mean pretty as I don't now how well they convert* for as little as $299.00

When people would ask about gallery designers there were usually the same couple of names that would pop up. Fletch, myself, machinegun kelly and then the thread would get spammed by outsourcing companies.

Every day it seems I see a new designer spamming the threads.

You may not notice it. But for someone who had to pay attention to it I noticed it...however I think that market will right itself soon enough.

Well, eros; I apologize for missing the mark there. I was trying to make a point unrelated to the issues you're bringing up and used that scenario to support my theory.

jacked · 02-07-2006, 11:13 AM

affiliates keep the sponsor programs going...... without affiliates a lot of these sponsors are nothing

eroswebmaster · 02-07-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

He is right, there are maybe hundreds of people who call themselfs designers, but it doesnt mean they are designers. I could count the amount of designers who have a clue on one hand.

Your attempt at qualifying who should call themself a designer or not does not discount the fact that there are more "designers' out there now than there were a few years ago.

eroswebmaster · 02-07-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by luv$

Well, eros; I apologize for missing the mark there. I was trying to make a point unrelated to the issues you're bringing up and used that scenario to support my theory.

The fact that there are more designers out there in some way helps the affiliate programs offer more to their affiliates for less.

You can hire someone cheaper now thus providing more ad materials.

Because of outsourcing companies can even hire cheap labor to provide their webmasters submission services.

Because of cheaper bw programs can now not only offer free gallery designa and submissions, but host the galleries for the affiliates.

I think it is ridiculous that programs go to this extent honestly. If you can afford a filipinio designer/submitter for each of your affiliates what do you need them for? ;)

Jace · 02-07-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by luv$

Well, a couple thoughts here.

One, it's good to scale up.

And two, with all of the bullshit webmasters have to go through today; as an example TGP/MGP's imposing ridiculous rules and hoops for affiliates to jump through, this industry appears to have become very lazy. The reality is, that many webmasters really do need help with a lot of things they do because there is just too much we have to keep an eye on nowadays.

have you all ever done any mainstream promotions? you don't get shit....try asking a mainstream program for free hosting...HAHAHA...they will laugh you off the internet

porn sponsor program give WAY too much shit away

yeah, it is hard to promote shit, that is the name of the game...it is time for sponsors to stop babying people...besides, anyone that does any real voulume sales doesn't usually ask for all the insane perks the newbies are getting

Michael O · 02-07-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by luv$

That is really interesting.

Hmm

Some programs offer it by request but only to active affiliates.
I got my first ePassporte account that way.
I got it thru ARS and they took the fees for opening the account out of my payout, I think thats how most programs do it.

warlock5 · 02-07-2006, 11:41 AM

Sponsors baby their affiliates because good affiliates are how they make their money. I've seen a lot of mainstream affiliate programs stuggle simply to get a few good affiliates.

V_RocKs · 02-07-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Now that's a shame, signing up for a personal epassporte account can be a big pain in the ass, and it's much more convenient for a sponsor program with a business account to just create you one. I got mine from Lightspeed Cash after sending some sales and am very grateful

Wow... wow... can't afford an Epassporte account? Wow....

Wow....

bringer · 02-07-2006, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by luv$

And two, with all of the bullshit webmasters have to go through today; as an example TGP/MGP's imposing ridiculous rules and hoops for affiliates to jump through, this industry appears to have become very lazy. The reality is, that many webmasters really do need help with a lot of things they do because there is just too much we have to keep an eye on nowadays.

At least this is from what I've been hearing.

the truth is anyone can signup and start promoting any program. people who need galleries submitted for them probably shouldnt be webmasters to begin with. with creating, hosting, and submitting galleries being done by programs for affiliates its to the point where anyone can do it with no knowledge what so ever. what are affiliates really doing anyways other than registering a domain for $9 and collecting a check after a program does the work for them.

Roald · 02-07-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

He is right, there are maybe hundreds of people who call themselfs designers, but it doesnt mean they are designers. I could count the amount of designers who have a clue on one hand.

People should start looking what works out conversion wise rather than what looks good

FUCKuPAYme · 02-07-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

I was thinking the other day why are sponsors giving so much to affilates, even submitting galleries for them. To me it seems that many more people are starting their own paysites and sending traffic to themselves. That guys who use to send you 10-20 joins a day is doing his own thing, sending traffic to himself. So the sponsors really have to appeal to the guys that only can send 1-3 joins a day. What are your thoughts?

Just cause you have a site doesnt mean it will convert or make money

FUCKuPAYme · 02-07-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by QuaShe

People should start looking what works out conversion wise rather than what looks good

I agree 101%

Rex · 02-07-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by luv$

Well, a couple thoughts here.

One, it's good to scale up.

And two, with all of the bullshit webmasters have to go through today; as an example TGP/MGP's imposing ridiculous rules and hoops for affiliates to jump through, this industry appears to have become very lazy. The reality is, that many webmasters really do need help with a lot of things they do because there is just too much we have to keep an eye on nowadays.

At least this is from what I've been hearing.

Now, when it gets out of hand with some affiliates we won't do it. For instance, we will not open epass accounts for people. I was really surprised when I was asked this.

We try really hard to be affiliate-oriented and help our affiliates as much as we can. But there is a limit. The old adage about taking a mile is very applicable here. I personally believe that this is just the first stages in the industry slimming down on saturation and soon we may see some good conversions again. A good way to tell is the fact that there aren't as many designers around. Remember 2 years ago when all you had to do was ask a question and you'd get spammed by new designers? yeah, that was newbies trying to make it when they couldn't convert their traffic. At least that's what I thought....

I'm rambling here, but I truly believe webmasters will take this too far (as with everything else) and programs will stop accomodating it and we'll see a slimdown.

But this is all speculation.

DISCLAIMER: Hundies is dedicated to supporting our affiliates, my statements in no way reflect any intention of this company or it's plans. We will always provide assistance to our affiliates within the confines of rational requests and needs.

just make a nonflash video tour and I'd be happy & back on the bandwagon

luv$ · 02-07-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rex

just make a nonflash video tour and I'd be happy & back on the bandwagon

uhhhhmmmm we did, couple weeks ago actually. Please hit me up in ICQ :p

Kevin - The PNN · 02-07-2006, 01:38 PM

What companies have a dick sucking program - sign me up for that.

Kevin - The PNN · 02-07-2006, 01:39 PM

To receive not to give -

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-07-2006, 01:40 PM

Affiliates are for the most part useless.

The best bang for buck on the effort for a site is through internal sales.
Paying people 50-60% of each sale or pay out $35-$70 per member is plane stupid.

We know that a target member tends to last 3 months at best and in vry few cases some for years where a subscriber "Forgets". But Majority of subscribers hang for 2-3 months if that.

Lossing 50%-60% of that is huge coupled with FHG's, and constant demand for content, bandwidth, pluggins, processing, employee's, company insurance and administration. Affiliates are a casualty to profitability in the big picture and the largest companies drive internal sales themselves only a fraction of income is generated by affiliates.

FUCKuPAYme · 02-07-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bringer

the truth is anyone can signup and start promoting any program. people who need galleries submitted for them probably shouldnt be webmasters to begin with. with creating, hosting, and submitting galleries being done by programs for affiliates its to the point where anyone can do it with no knowledge what so ever. what are affiliates really doing anyways other than registering a domain for $9 and collecting a check after a program does the work for them.

I totally agree LOL

fuck sponsors can just send out checks for doing nothing now.. Sign me up for that sponsor

Rui · 02-07-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bringer

the truth is anyone can signup and start promoting any program. people who need galleries submitted for them probably shouldnt be webmasters to begin with. with creating, hosting, and submitting galleries being done by programs for affiliates its to the point where anyone can do it with no knowledge what so ever. what are affiliates really doing anyways other than registering a domain for $9 and collecting a check after a program does the work for them.

its not hard to understand its all about traffic baby

Roald · 02-07-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Affiliates are for the most part useless.

The best bang for buck on the effort for a site is through internal sales.
Paying people 50-60% of each sale or pay out $35-$70 per member is plane stupid.

We know that a target member tends to last 3 months at best and in vry few cases some for years where a subscriber "Forgets". But Majority of subscribers hang for 2-3 months if that.

Lossing 50%-60% of that is huge coupled with FHG's, and constant demand for content, bandwidth, pluggins, processing, employee's, company insurance and administration. Affiliates are a casualty to profitability in the big picture and the largest companies drive internal sales themselves only a fraction of income is generated by affiliates.

It alllll depends ;)

WiredGuy · 02-07-2006, 02:04 PM

When there's so many sponsors out there, each one needs to do whatever it takes to get the webmasters traffic. Its all about supply and demand and there's so much supply (of sponsors) that they'll do anything to get your business. Even the 1-3 joins per week webmasters add up if you can swoop up a whole bunch of them.

WG

andrej_NDC · 02-07-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by QuaShe

People should start looking what works out conversion wise rather than what looks good

Im happy I got one of the few good designers to post in this thread.

bigdog · 02-08-2006, 09:39 AM

I should have said eating pussy also, so the ladies don't feel left out

circlekhabib · 02-08-2006, 10:14 AM

without affiliates a lot of these sponsors are nothing
without sheep....

imageman · 02-08-2006, 10:27 AM

We try hard to help our affiliates make money but not until they start to send productive traffic.

Daily we get new guys sign up from China, Africa, Spain Belgium Argentina etc etc and most of these guys have no idea how to get good productive traffic, so it would be a waste of time setting them up with exclusive videos and galleries free sites etc, just to get one sale a year. But for quality webmasters we are happy to accommodate them if at all possible, we do however draw the line at dick sucking!!!

GatorB · 02-10-2006, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Affiliates are for the most part useless.

The best bang for buck on the effort for a site is through internal sales.
Paying people 50-60% of each sale or pay out $35-$70 per member is plane stupid.

Anyone who can't spell PLAIN STUPID is well, kind of stupid themselves.

bigdog · 02-11-2006, 01:09 PM

bump for cock sucking sponsors

BlackCrayon · 02-11-2006, 01:33 PM

as an affiliate i don't like all the 'help' sponsors try to give. give me some content to promote the site and let affiliates do the rest.

stev0 · 02-11-2006, 02:31 PM

Affiliates will go the the best and most convenient sponsors... we have alot of choices now, the programs have to compete.

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bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	why are sponsors sucking the dick of affiliates? I was thinking the other day why are sponsors giving so much to affilates, even submitting galleries for them. To me it seems that many more people are starting their own paysites and sending traffic to themselves. That guys who use to send you 10-20 joins a day is doing his own thing, sending traffic to himself. So the sponsors really have to appeal to the guys that only can send 1-3 joins a day. What are your thoughts?

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XMaster Poker Player Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,945	For me there are 2 kind of skills: - People who knows how to get traffic (quality or quantity). - People who makes such a good sites that they convert very well. As sponsor, i prefer to focus on this last skill but this business is so much competitive that some of them (sponsors) would make everything to catch affiliates. __________________ iStripper 50% revshare since 1998 You missed out on Bitcoin! Don't miss DOLZ.

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WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,503	When there's so many sponsors out there, each one needs to do whatever it takes to get the webmasters traffic. Its all about supply and demand and there's so much supply (of sponsors) that they'll do anything to get your business. Even the 1-3 joins per week webmasters add up if you can swoop up a whole bunch of them. WG __________________ I play with Google.

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imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	We try hard to help our affiliates make money but not until they start to send productive traffic. Daily we get new guys sign up from China, Africa, Spain Belgium Argentina etc etc and most of these guys have no idea how to get good productive traffic, so it would be a waste of time setting them up with exclusive videos and galleries free sites etc, just to get one sale a year. But for quality webmasters we are happy to accommodate them if at all possible, we do however draw the line at dick sucking!!!

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bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	bump for cock sucking sponsors

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stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	Affiliates will go the the best and most convenient sponsors... we have alot of choices now, the programs have to compete.