SE/google question

[nico-t]

i believe a site of mine was flagged in google. For a keyword it went all down from first page google to like page 30 (last december i believe)

ive built links with it, most of em before it was flagged. All the linkbacks i have are with the www. in front of my domain.

Now i see its still on page 30 in google, but now its listed without the www. in front of it.. whats going on here? Any SE gurus know what the hell is going on?

And maybe give some tips on how the hell i can undo this flagged shit? I saw in another thread that u have to delete some linkbacks, so that it doesnt look too spammy anymore.. is this true? Id like more views on this then one.

[Gottis]

edit: nevermind

[jjjay]

you can't depend on SE traffic, for these reasons...

if you don't get an answer here, try sewatch - a ton of knowledgeable people there

[Hardlinks]

Originally Posted by jjjay

you can't depend on SE traffic, for these reasons...

if you don't get an answer here, try sewatch - a ton of knowledgeable people there

Bahahaha whatever you say.

You may not be able to depend on it, but many can and do.

[nico-t]

bump and thnaks for the url

[skillfull]

301 redirection is your friend

[Stallion]

Originally Posted by skillfull

301 redirection is your friend

thanks friend.. lol

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by skillfull

301 redirection is your friend

already have non-www redirected to www, i guess i have to turn it around now that the non-www is listed in google... but i guess then theyll see a massive increase in linkbacks to the non-www from 1 second to another, and my site is considered spam again!

[skillfull]

Originally Posted by nico-t

already have non-www redirected to www, i guess i have to turn it around now that the non-www is listed in google... but i guess then theyll see a massive increase in linkbacks to the non-www from 1 second to another, and my site is considered spam again!

did you read the 301 part

301 = permanent redirection

all others redirection sucks for SEO perspective

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by skillfull

did you read the 301 part

301 = permanent redirection

all others redirection sucks for SEO perspective

yes i got this in the htaccess

RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^mydomain\.com$ [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.mydomain.net/$1 [R=301,L]

this is what you mean right?

[beta-tester]

Google is sand-boxed you definitely....That's because of so many links in in short time. Btw. When is your domain registered ?

That's my opinion though, but I am pretty sure it's correct.

[nico-t]

well, all i know is im clueless.

[Marshal]

bump for you! ;)

[marttali]

You are "sandboxed" most likely. You could also be fucked because of the scarpers or too many links in a short time, especially reciprocals.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by marttali

You are "sandboxed" most likely. You could also be fucked because of the scarpers or too many links in a short time, especially reciprocals.

i barely have recip links, mostly one way links from other sites to my site without linking back

[Linkster]

Might want to check your Apache(assuming youre using a Nix server) to make sure your ServerName in the httpd config is set to default to the www.domain.com version and not the domain.com

Also - if you are using relative links instead of absolute links and you dont have a trailing / on your relative links, this will cause Apache to issue its own internal 301 to go to the domain.com/directory first and then the www.domain.com/directory which unfortunately Google's bot is very good at following.

You can check this pretty easily using something like the free link checker from Xenu as they will report the 301 redirects your server is doing.

As mentioned above - 301s can fix the problem - but ONLY if you have your server set correctly (and there are a bunch of hosts that don't know how to setup a server for SE botting)



added- dont pay any attention to the thing about sandbox - there is no such thing

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Might want to check your Apache(assuming youre using a Nix server) to make sure your ServerName in the httpd config is set to default to the www.domain.com version and not the domain.com

Also - if you are using relative links instead of absolute links and you dont have a trailing / on your relative links, this will cause Apache to issue its own internal 301 to go to the domain.com/directory first and then the www.domain.com/directory which unfortunately Google's bot is very good at following.

You can check this pretty easily using something like the free link checker from Xenu as they will report the 301 redirects your server is doing.

As mentioned above - 301s can fix the problem - but ONLY if you have your server set correctly (and there are a bunch of hosts that don't know how to setup a server for SE botting)



added- dont pay any attention to the thing about sandbox - there is no such thing

allright thanks, gonna check it.

[jjjay]

Originally Posted by Hardlinks

Bahahaha whatever you say.

You may not be able to depend on it, but many can and do.

depending on se traffic is no way to a stable income. anyone with any experience knows this. your comment speaks volumes about you.

[Wiggles]

Originally Posted by jjjay

depending on se traffic is no way to a stable income. anyone with any experience knows this. your comment speaks volumes about you.

i've seen his steady income first hand, you either don't know jack about seo or were just horrible at it.

[fetishblog]

According to URLTrends.com, I had 217 backlinks in google on 10-4-05. It was up to 532 on 11-4-05, down to 441 on 1-4-06, and down to 0 on 2-4-06. Weird.

[beta-tester]

Originally Posted by fetishblog

According to URLTrends.com, I had 217 backlinks in google on 10-4-05. It was up to 532 on 11-4-05, down to 441 on 1-4-06, and down to 0 on 2-4-06. Weird.

Hmm, seems like you're hitting different google's data centers... Big daddy stuff is almost ready and that's mostly like the reason why it displays different number of inbound links

[SexyCarla]

Big Daddy is definitately on the way .

They've updated one ip and you can check how your doing on this one
66.249.93.104 . <----Copy-n-paste .

You said you have some reciprocal links . I'd make sure none of those havent been banned by Google .

If so remove them from your site .

Another thing is you might have lost the race in the amount of links the top spots have therefore pushing you back to your current position .

I dont know what seo tools your using but I use seotradesecrets.com/recommends/seo . <----Copy-n-paste .

It can analyze a number of different varibles that will cause you to lose or gain rankings in Google .

Also remember that Google dont show all of your back links .

I'd give a week or two and see if things change back or you need to do some catching up .

Top rankings are about out doing those that already rank well .

Maintaining them are about going so far beyond what's neccesary that it's a lot harder for people to out do you .

[nico-t]

thanks for the info carla.
btw, that ip gives me the same result as the normal google.
plus i got more backlinks then some sites on page 1, and im on page 30. Ill figure it out though, got some tips in this thread that im gonna look into tomorrow.
thanks yall.

[Kevsh]

Most of you are overlooking the most obvious: Google updates. A lot of sites have been bumped in a big way in the last few months. I got slammed bad in December on a few sites.

I'm still doing a "post mortem" and still head-scratching. Worse yet, MSN did the same to me for the same sites - and all were using "white hat" SEO techniques. I'm looking long and hard at possible Google flags for outbound links on pages (ie. external links to sponsor sites, etc.) as a possible issue.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Kevsh

Most of you are overlooking the most obvious: Google updates. A lot of sites have been bumped in a big way in the last few months. I got slammed bad in December on a few sites.

I'm still doing a "post mortem" and still head-scratching. Worse yet, MSN did the same to me for the same sites - and all were using "white hat" SEO techniques. I'm looking long and hard at possible Google flags for outbound links on pages (ie. external links to sponsor sites, etc.) as a possible issue.

same here! also in december. Plus ive considered the linking to alot of sponsor links too, i think that also might be the reason i was flagged. I changed that a while ago but no changes since then in my google listing though

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by nico-t

already have non-www redirected to www, i guess i have to turn it around now that the non-www is listed in google... but i guess then theyll see a massive increase in linkbacks to the non-www from 1 second to another, and my site is considered spam again!

Canonical URL problem in my opinion. I wouldn't switch it back though. Leave the non-www to 301 to the www version. Google will pick it up shortly.

If you want, ICQ me with the site and I'll take a look. Or you can wait till the end of the month when jojojo needs rent money.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Linkster

Might want to check your Apache(assuming youre using a Nix server) to make sure your ServerName in the httpd config is set to default to the www.domain.com version and not the domain.com

Also - if you are using relative links instead of absolute links and you dont have a trailing / on your relative links, this will cause Apache to issue its own internal 301 to go to the domain.com/directory first and then the www.domain.com/directory which unfortunately Google's bot is very good at following.

You can check this pretty easily using something like the free link checker from Xenu as they will report the 301 redirects your server is doing.

As mentioned above - 301s can fix the problem - but ONLY if you have your server set correctly (and there are a bunch of hosts that don't know how to setup a server for SE botting)

So are you saying that a 301 redirect is better to be made from the server then the htaccess?

and these are the checks i did with xenu:


with the 301 redirect still in the htaccess:
1) non-www, result is 2 urls:
the non-www, with the message that it 301 redirects to the 2nd url:
the www. (thats what happens due to the htaccess file)

2) www, result is countless urls.
no 301 redirection messages.


Deleted the 301 redirection lines in htacces and ran it again:
1) non-www, result:
pretty much urls all from within my site and all starting with www. Not one without www, and not one 301 redirection message

2) www, result is alot of urls.
no 301 redirection messages.


So this means my server doesnt have a standard 301 redirection from either the www and non-www?

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Canonical URL problem in my opinion. I wouldn't switch it back though. Leave the non-www to 301 to the www version. Google will pick it up shortly.

If you want, ICQ me with the site and I'll take a look. Or you can wait till the end of the month when jojojo needs rent money.

im gonna hit you up tomorrow for sure (going to sleep now). I can use all opinions i can get, it really irritates me that i really am clueless.

[SexyCarla]

Ok ,

Every one that links out others need to check to see if your linking to any banned sites .

I found this tool useful in checking your links for you and then if it points any thing out you can verify the link/s manually .

You can get it from here
forums.seochat.com/google-optimization-7/is-banned-by-google-tool-49876.html . <---Copy-n-paste .

Linking to banned sites can affect your rankings .

It did find one banned site on my links page that I didnt even know was banned or would get themselves banned for what ever reason .

You have to enter the exact page your links are on .

Hope this helps .

[Linkster]

nico-t
Actually I really hate doing anything in an htaccess file but in this case its pretty much the only way to fix the canonical problem that Google is attempting to fix with their update theyve been doing to the infrastructure in their data.

As far as outbound links and recips etc, I wouldnt change anything right now - while it is true that an outbound to a site that is currently banned in Google is a dampening factor for your site, it is very unlikely as there are very few sites banned by Google at this time unless you spent a lot of time linking to people that paid you for spots.

If you would like hit me up email at linkster at linkforsex dot com with a url and I can do some quick checks and send over an explanation of my best guess of what is happening and what you can do to fix it (no I dont charge) and Ive got plenty of background in doing this for people (if you need references just hit up Tommy, Greenguy or any of the PornstarKings)

[Linkster]

I would also be a little leary using that tool to check for link trades being banned - a quick check of how its working shows that its just checking to see if a site is listed by Google - not if its banned. This would show any site that has not been listed yet or is listed in a different SE as banned which is not always the case obviously

[RazorSharpe]

Do any of you guys and girls know where one can purchase one way links? I see a lot of sites doing this for mainstream but haven't found a single one for adult.

I'm looking to increase my incoming links (not for traffic) but for purely SE reasons.

Cheers ...

[nico-t]

ok linkster - email sent