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woj what?

We do know where to send our traffic and we are sending a ton of it to sponsors that are converting well for us. Ie. Wegcash, AAC, Fleshlight

Franck, you're running on seriously thin ice with me right now, I really don't appreciate the negativity you're showing towards my companies lately.

DH

so what do u do in this biz anyways?

the guy hits you with very logical questions about a campaign that costs 5-10k+ and you threaten him. Ohhh scary:)

What does that have to do with it??

nothing, im just wondering why ur wasting so much time voicing ur opinion and not doing.. whatever it is u do

unless ur a mailer, then ya, couple of clicks and ur free for hours to surf the board.:thumbsup

He's been exceptionally negative to my companies as of late and I am calling him out about it. I have stuck up for Franck so many times in the past and I am getting tired of playing the fool.

DH

Wegcash does well from the traffic.

P2P is a large, expansive traffic source, I doubt managing all those campaigns would be very efficient. I would think selling it and isolating that optimization process would work out better (the current method of selling 3rd party).

But who knows and who cares? At the end of the day, we take the traffic and it works. I really don't care if Brad knows what converts. Someone obviously does.

I should be working more, thats for sure. But regardless who i am or what i do, i think im allowed to ask questions on a public board.

Here's my take:

Affiliates are paid on a CPA basis, so it's probably not a great idea to buy traffic for a flat rate unless you have good data on click-through and conversions.

In general, flat rate bulk traffic buying is a risky business and in my experience is almost always unprofitable (based on effective CPA). People who have the higest quality traffic have absolutely no problem working on a CPA basis, because they know their traffic will convert. It does not make any sense that flat rate traffic would generate a huge ROI, otherwise the traffic seller would perfer to work on a CPA because they would make more profit. Any business that says "we dont want to maximize our profit" is lying to you. Therefore, one can only assume that the flat-rate traffic seller is maximizing their profit by selling it in such a way. There is nothing inherently wrong with this, as there are many different types of traffic buyers out there with different goals - some buyers may not have a need to see an ROI based on their conversions because there is other value obtained from the traffic (that is they do not only make money on a conversion, they are able to extract some VPC regardless of a conversion, this is generally not true in the case of an affiliate promoting a sponsor program.)

The future of advertising (i.e. traffic brokering) is action based. Only in cases where the traffic involved is known by both parties to be low-quality bulk traffic (asian traffic, etc.) will flat rate deals make sense. Persons who are paid on a CPA basis will demand to buy on a CPA, to do otherwise is not smart.

And i stuck up for you and i will in the future...you personally have nothing to do with this.

Nothing wrong with asking questions, but your tone comes off rather abrasive at times. I think at some point you just have to say "I don't like the setup, I don't buy the traffic."

You eventually hit a wall. You can only do so much short of making a purchase. The hypotheticals can bury the possible success and failure rates in irrational whirlwinds.

These guys are selling traffic. It will work for some people, it will fail for some people, you fall in their somewhere.

It works for us, that is where we fall into things.

Have a good one bro,

Cory.

LMAO!!!! That's awesome man.

i agree, thats why i am asking questions about u on a public board :winkwink:

No, you're smelling the dirty sanchez that dude gave you last night :)

By selling the traffic to webmasters, although they might miss out on a slightly higher ROI they also pass the RISK on to the buyer...

I know it's hard to believe that someone can sell bulk traffic that actually converts and will make a profit, but knowing what I know about p2p and Brad's setup, these guys DO.

It's very similar to GTS, of course they could capitolize off of all those gallery spots on their own and make a KILLING, but they make enough profit with less headache and less RISK by selling the spots to other webmasters.

:2 cents:

-P

Sounds like a great source of traffic if you ask me.

I personally would not buy a big 5k or 10k package...i think there about are 1001 better and safer things to spend 10k on than p2p traffic :1orglaugh

But yeah, if it works for you then thats good and you should keep buying. Im not gonna take the risk.

Maybe now that they offer smaller campaigns...who knows.

Im just very careful when it comes to buying traffic...

If you have enough of it yeah...obviously the quality itself is horrible...but the quantity makes it up.

u can apply that saying to galleries on tgps no?

You hit the nail on the head - and the higher the risk, the more willing the seller is to sell. And when the buyer is paid on a CPA, this risk is very, very great.

Franck, does this not make sense? :winkwink: :)

-P

Sure it does...

I dont think gallery traffic is real bad...certainly not as bad as p2p traffic.

I setup my first p2p server three year ago.
So i knew a little about p2p:

Will never never buy p2p traffic from anyone.

It is very easy easy to setup p2p server.
(cheap cheap bandwidth that's all)

the traffic horrible horrible.

Sponsors will cancel your account very soon.

Sick Balls Chopper!!!

what software did you use to run it?

Thats what i wonder...someone whos gonna spend 10k on a campaign is better off spending 10k on servers and software and setting up his own thing...i think 10k gets you in the right direction for sure.

If you want to do it big you need to get your own software.

p2p company provide free client software and free server side software.

LOL I have been doing this for a LONG time and nobody cancels me. You must have done something completely different.

Exactly, read above newbies, now go uninstall Limewire dipshits, P2P spam is beyond your capability, stick to TGPing and updating your blogs, trash.

LOL! :1orglaugh

DH

erhm. which p2p company exactly? :)

i didnt want a pic of your family ;)

He doesnt want to be in the biz of setting up websites and serving the traffic?

What makes you think he hasnt...

note: using p2p traffic for advertising is far from beeing new...some of you guys seem to think p2pads invented it ;)

wohoo, I just won $100 on a poker hand.....

So this is oficially "da thread" of the night no? :upsidedow

interesting thread

good read

it will be interesting now to see how many people try to play in the p2p space as a result of the recent p2p threads. what they will find is that it's not as easy as people think. unless you are prepared to invest about 10k minimum and are willing to wait 6-12 month for decent results, it's not worth it. p2p ads has been doing this for some time now, so i think its safe to say that they know a thing or two about what works and what doesn't. the bottom line is that if they cant produce decent roi for traffic buyers then they wont be in business long. i dont think they would sell traffic if they knew the traffic was worthless and customers would be left unhappy. dh and brad have been pretty upfront about the quality of their traffic. unless you have personally tried their traffic why would you hate on it.

6-12 month for decent results over p2p ? Seriously .... a good run of traffic only start after 2 month when you know what you are doing with custum tools and a bunch of servers, its not rocket science. Easy to figure out the traffic start for real when ppl start to share files in mass.

And before you call me an idiot or something, i got a setup of 40 servers there for almost 3 years, and i killed the whole setup a few months back because it suck now . When taxi drivers and the idiot of the village start to spam p2p on their spare times, its time to move along on other traffic source.

Yes, p2p is a good traffic source, if you want quanity. Conversion to a sponsor is really different , its a TON of work , you cant promote the same sponsor over and over, you need to be CREATIVE , and renew your shit all the time. Sometime every day or 2 days.

Dont think you upload a few videos , and upload some keywords and wait for the sales, it will never happend. You will only get traffic to feed some retarded TGP. You need to work if you want sales, and work REALLY more if you want a ROI.

And for CT, if the stats are really true, get a lotery ticket, because you got lucky on this one if it was your first try.

I agree with the above poster. For me the cost of a page view (ok its a forced page view since its a pop up) is so low i dont care.

My real time stats tell me last 24 hrs my CPM on page views is 30.07889546 cents per one K (Thats 0.030078895 cents per page view). Granted this is just the BW cost and Server cost and does not count the investment I made in developing the software and time I spent, but I take this 30 cent CPM and sell to main stream guys any where from 5$ to 50$ so its a good business model.

What is the CPM on Hun these days ? How much does it cost to get a gallary link ?.

Here is one advice. If a guy comes and search on P2P for "Teen Porn Clips" and if you give him good Teen Porn clips the chances of he joining your site is a lot high, marketing 101.

It not just putting your content on a P2P network, but its about how you encode, when you pop the URL, what text over you put on the video etc etc...all this affects. I got an army of video editors in India who do this full time, create compelling clips.

Jay


Jay

lately this is shilled at least once or twice a week here, but at least this time there is some almost drama with Frank being 'on thin ice' with that drinking dude...


:pimp :winkwink:



YAAAAAAAAAAY.....I like drama



YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY....I like drama



goes well in the morning with coffee

:thumbsup

Ofcourse there is more going on than just a random noob client of p2pads who decided to post his stats :winkwink:

I was wondering how much these recent 'testimonial' thread starters are getting discounted on their current or future ad campaigns too.

:winkwink: :thumbsup

Shhhhhhh you will be on "thin ice" ...... :1orglaugh

You know what I love about you Franck :)

You really do HATE us yet you keep bumping this thread to generate me more business.

So thanks for that.

I would hardly discourage threads of this nature. The company in question is derived from two very well known industry elites that have lengthy industry histories. The thread starter posted actual screenshots (although unsatisfactory to some of you, it is more than most threads offer). P2Pads supports GFY.

This thread is neither spam nor drama, it is informative beyond what most threads on this board consist of content-wise. The only 'drama' is opinion and that goes along with every webmaster board thread that allows for 'free posting.'

For the record, Wegcash did not purchase traffic from P2P, they sent it to us as we are one of their programs used. The traffic does well.

Now, for my 'opinion.'

I hardly believe they would discount an account for the sole purpose of a GFY thread. In fact, I would assume most of their marketing comes word of mouth in social circles of entities that can afford the price points. They are not solo girls trying to get 'webmaster signups via 'would you hit it threads,' they have a service that can not appeal to the masses of GFY. If they start offering much reduced price points, then this type of marketing might make more sense. If they are discounting prices in return for spam threads, I would suggest they reexamine their marketing strategies in the 'tactical marketing' arena.

Traffic is traffic, it works for some, and for others it does not work. I doubt CT is lying for a reduced price point, if he is in the market of a 10K price point on traffic, I somehow doubt he is becoming a spam queen overnight for a discount.

A lot of great points on both sides of this traffic debate have been brought up in this thread making it very enjoyable and very much less on par with normal GFY threads. I would encourage more threads of this nature, not less. Franck is entitled to his opinions, but he comes off more abrasive than he likely is in person. DH is not putting anyone on thin ice, he is too busy buying him and his staff pirate outfits and a pirate plank.

Now, lets get this back on track if possible.

I totally not hate you guys...at all and if i can help you get more business then im happy for you :thumbsup


Edit: hundredfiddy haters

And i didnt bump it today...when i posted it was near the top.