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Ban ALL the TGP's on the net

02-07-2006, 05:50 AM

The surfers already got their porn, why would they buy?

Lets make the net a CJ hell with money again

imagine if people were unable to get free porn on the net....

This would decrease the amount of people surfing porn but it would increase the amount buying
Less bandwidth costs and more money in the Bank

I vote empty all tgps for content skim 95% to trades and lets get rocking

I am sure sites like thehun.net will have my back on this one

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02-07-2006, 05:52 AM

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ok
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02-07-2006, 05:56 AM

Nah, we like it this way....

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02-07-2006, 05:57 AM

define tgp please.
blogs with 700000000 'articles' are ok though?

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02-07-2006, 05:59 AM

Btw, you can buy some textlink spots in the archives of Worldsex and Al4a if you want, it saves you offering 'free content'

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02-07-2006, 06:02 AM

Originally posted by polle54

imagine if people were unable to get free porn on the net....

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02-07-2006, 06:39 AM

"Free" is dying in the tgp business...

Today most TGPs have accepted Paid Spots, Paid Submissions and Sponsor Galleries, which is the first step in the right direction (if money is their drive, and they are not counter wankers).

Others are also allowing galleries with pics/videos on html pages, and are disapproving galleries with cum/money shots - all in a quest to make better conversions,

Have also seen a few that are putting their archives in a password protected area, which requries $ or e-mail signup to enter.

Bottomline TGPs can evolve away from free or loose alot of found money...

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02-07-2006, 06:39 AM

TGPs are just a traffic source like any other. Blogs, Freesites, LL's, TGPs, Search Engines etc they're all the same with slightly different rules, slightly different ways of generating traffic, but if you criticize one you have to criticize all of them.

If you really want to bitch about the amount of free porn on the net address the source. How many webmasters pay for content? Out of every 1000 galleries submitted to me I'm lucky to see 5 or 6 using bought content.

TGPs are just a traffic source...no need for people to beat up on it so regularly :D

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02-07-2006, 06:41 AM

the future: A TGP with free xs to 10 galleries, paid xs to its gallery 'archive'.
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02-07-2006, 06:43 AM

Fuck you TGPS! jk, well, sort of. Fuck you TGPs with none of my site's galleries!
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02-07-2006, 07:10 AM

Bring on the censored content for preview !!...

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02-07-2006, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by polle54

The surfers already got their porn, why would they buy?

Lets make the net a CJ hell with money again

imagine if people were unable to get free porn on the net....

This would decrease the amount of people surfing porn but it would increase the amount buying
Less bandwidth costs and more money in the Bank

I vote empty all tgps for content skim 95% to trades and lets get rocking

I am sure sites like thehun.net will have my back on this one

if a company can't make a site that is better than a tgp then that company should not be in business

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02-07-2006, 07:23 AM

I personall think the tgp model should go more to tease the surfer instead of finishing him off....I can open a tgp and jack off all day, but if I could only get part of the goods I would be more inclined to buy

i don't think we should get rid of the tgp, i just think we should modify the process a little
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02-07-2006, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by Jace

I personall think the tgp model should go more to tease the surfer instead of finishing him off....I can open a tgp and jack off all day, but if I could only get part of the goods I would be more inclined to buy

i don't think we should get rid of the tgp, i just think we should modify the process a little

thats just a pipe dream. tgp's are in competition for eyeballs
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02-07-2006, 08:02 AM

have any tgp's tried a 'premium' type model? like offer a searchable database of quality pics directly from sponsors. then the sponsors can upsell for video, live chat, etc. can have user comments, ranking, contests, etc. guess more like an advanced avs model. still have the regular tgp with submits, but with the added 'premium' section.
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02-07-2006, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

thats just a pipe dream. tgp's are in competition for eyeballs

yeah, i know....nice to think about though

I have noticed that when I do a more teaser tour for my paysite, or my free pages, my signups increase big time....if I don't show any hardcore, but show almost to the point of hardcore, I get more signups
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02-07-2006, 08:11 AM

so much free porn its amaizing
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02-07-2006, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by FlyingIguana

thats just a pipe dream. tgp's are in competition for eyeballs

Which is why more paysite owners should work on keeping cancelled members in their own systems that are made to sell, instead of releasing them to the counter wankers... Let the TGPs keep the freeloaders, and the chinese ;-)

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02-07-2006, 10:14 AM

Yes, and we're also going to stop people from smokking cigarettes because they're bad for thier health.
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02-07-2006, 10:21 AM

I agree with the censorship of HARDCORE content on TGPs......it should ALL be teaser / softcore content. You have to Pay to Play....

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02-07-2006, 11:41 AM

well well I actually don't know what I hoped to bring to discussion by this thread but I like how some of you suggest tgp's to tease instead of giving it all away

when I jack off I as many others just use tgps it's all it takes.... only a very few people need much more than that and they sign up....

I myself only deal with niche traffic because they really crave something and that makes it easier.

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02-07-2006, 11:45 AM

Either way....webmasters need to make teaser TGP's to draw in the surfer....and TGP owners might want to revise their rules to teaser content only....thoughts?

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02-07-2006, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by dad0n

Either way....webmasters need to make teaser TGP's to draw in the surfer....and TGP owners might want to revise their rules to teaser content only....thoughts?

They should just start with removing/declining the galleries with money shots (unless its a bukkake tgp)... there is nothing wrong with hardcore (most people will need more than 10-30 sec. of random sex to get off, but its enough to sell the girl, concept or whatever you are selling) - just keep something for the surfer to signup¨- ex. black out the video, but keep the sound on just as the money shot is to be delivered, and write a big text "MEMBERS ONLY - SIGNUP NOW" - it will tease the fuck out of a wanker sitting with his dick in the hand, waiting for the grand finally

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02-07-2006, 12:22 PM

Anyone used these textlinks spots in the archives of worldsex or Al4a? Whats the turn out?

Originally posted by Bas

Btw, you can buy some textlink spots in the archives of Worldsex and Al4a if you want, it saves you offering 'free content'

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02-07-2006, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by whoisnext

Anyone used these textlinks spots in the archives of worldsex or Al4a? Whats the turn out?

Next question is how effective are these text link spots in comparison to "teaser" content???

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02-07-2006, 12:26 PM

Interesting idea, I've never heard it before
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02-07-2006, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by polle54

The surfers already got their porn, why would they buy?

Lets make the net a CJ hell with money again

imagine if people were unable to get free porn on the net....

This would decrease the amount of people surfing porn but it would increase the amount buying
Less bandwidth costs and more money in the Bank

I vote empty all tgps for content skim 95% to trades and lets get rocking

I am sure sites like thehun.net will have my back on this one

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02-07-2006, 12:30 PM

It's all about the bookmarkers. Who is going to ever return to a site (much less even surf for porn again) that pops viruses and spyware to fuck you over?
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02-07-2006, 12:31 PM

Geez do we have to have this discussion again?

TGP's don't hurt the industry. They're bad for "some"....the "some" that used to make a fortune without having to do alot of real work. (But oh well, ATM's were bad for bank tellers but they certainly didn't hurt the overall banking industry)

If TGP's were really hurting paysites then the biggest paysite companies out there wouldn't be giving out gigs upon gigs of free content and free hosted galleries to TGP submitters/owners.
They wouldn't be buying up the top spots on the high traffic TGP's

TGP's have definitely hurt "some" people in this biz....but they've been very good to me

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02-07-2006, 12:33 PM

Actually I think the biggest impact TGP's have had is to force paysite owners to improve their product.

3 or 4 years ago paysites had shit for content, never updated, and the content they did have was the same old tired shit everyone else had.

Now they have to have something unique, lots of it, update regularly, in order to keep up.
This is good for the customer and for the biz overall IMHO

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02-07-2006, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Lenny2

TGP's have definitely hurt "some" people in this biz....but they've been very good to me

No one is realistically thinking that TGPs/MGPs will go away, but that doesn´t mean that TGPs will stop evolving. The Hun has gone from backdoor linking menace to traffic selling whale. If he had not evolved his business by accepting paid spots, then his empire would have been alot less today.

And thats the point - if TGPs/MGPs does not continue to look at the business side of things, then they will loose alot of found money.

TGP traffic have always had worse conversion and retention rates, then SEs, linklists etc. and the reason is obviously, because surfers at a TGP is there for the free content and not the paysites/datingsites/camsites/products which advertise there. So the question is how to improve the conversion and retention rates, not because we should compare TGPs with other types of traffic, but because it is possible to improve them and make more money for everyone!

IMHO - TGPs could make more money today with the same amount of traffic, if they catered just a bit more for the advertisers by ex. making their traffic more "potent" and kill some of the TGP dogmas (ex. no content on html, which might have worked when cheating was big, but today it makes every gallery look/feel the same on the entire TGP = boring for the surfer).

But just as when paysites introduced hosted galleries, then I´m sure it will be the advertisers that have to create the solutions, before TGPs can see the potiential. Not that is bad - just a fact of life in the TGP biz...

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02-07-2006, 03:16 PM

Okay...let me just lay this out clearly one more time. TGPs are just traffic like any other source. Where's the "Ban Google" thread because so many people are building websites with free content? You won't see it because people in adult get fixated to go after TGP's, yet most people submit daily. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Everyone in this thread wants to stop free porn from being spread around the net...correct? Okay, then answer these questions:

Who supplies the free content?

Who supplies the FHG?

Who supplies gallery building software, free hosting, etc? Where any noob that wants to get rich in porn can enter with almost no cost?

Sponsors are the ultimate purveyor of free porn. Almost no webmaster that submits to my tgp uses bought content...if sponsors wanted to limit the amount of porn they could easily pull the switch on it. Sponsors could remove the money shots or limit them. Do you think webmasters would be outraged and buy content? No, because they're cheap bastards and will use whatever content the sponsor provides.

One other thing, I convert better with TGP traffic than any other traffic...but I don't use sponsors that offer free content, FHG, etc. I buy my content, I design my own pages, and rely very little on the sponsor to give me anything in the way of tools. You'd be fucking amazed how well you convert on tgp traffic with sponsors that don't court noobie webmasters that spam.

So, blaming TGP's for free porn on the net is like blaming google for existing...it's just a traffic source. Get over it already.

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02-07-2006, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Lenny2

Geez do we have to have this discussion again?

TGP's don't hurt the industry. They're bad for "some"....the "some" that used to make a fortune without having to do alot of real work. (But oh well, ATM's were bad for bank tellers but they certainly didn't hurt the overall banking industry)

If TGP's were really hurting paysites then the biggest paysite companies out there wouldn't be giving out gigs upon gigs of free content and free hosted galleries to TGP submitters/owners.
They wouldn't be buying up the top spots on the high traffic TGP's

TGP's have definitely hurt "some" people in this biz....but they've been very good to me

no matter how you slice it tgp's do hurt the industry. but they're here to stay so you either embrace them or you don't. if one paysite doesn't support gallery makers their competitor will.

it was easier to make money before tgp's became popular
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02-08-2006, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Blue

if sponsors wanted to limit the amount of porn they could easily pull the switch on it. Sponsors could remove the money shots or limit them. Do you think webmasters would be outraged and buy content? No, because they're cheap bastards and will use whatever content the sponsor provides.

I agree 100% - paysite owners can and should shape the future! They control the layout of their FHG, and access to their content/hosting.

If paysite owners started by making the new type of FHGs available along with their old/current FHGs, then it would be up to the TGPs owners, which they would prefer. And I´m certain that TGPs owner in time will love the new types of FHGs, simply because they make more money from them - its a win/win situation.

Any TGP owners that woulld never list a FHG, which does not include the money shot, loads the content on html pages with ads, and teases the surfers in the videos?

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02-08-2006, 01:31 AM

Yay, here we go again.

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02-08-2006, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by DamageX

Yay, here we go again.

Naaah - I do not think this thread will survive much longer - people are staring blind on the first post in this thread. Oh well, the attention span of adult webmasters have never been big, when it comes to business ;-))

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02-08-2006, 07:52 AM

As opposed to banning TGP's affiliate programs should simply limit the amount of content given to the TGP's and dont show too much1 However, who is going to abide by these reccomendatuons? Nobody...

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02-08-2006, 08:35 AM

Realistically..there would be a few who abide to these recommendations...but not nearly enough to make an impact that would change the TGP owners rules. Also seems to be that many webmasters (so-called) think that by submitting a TGP/MGP with hardcore content/the "money shot" will convert better on the main site versus non-hardcore.

Oh well...beating a dead horse..moving on.....

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02-08-2006, 08:49 AM

Good sized TGP's make $2500... If you think they are giving away free porn with no return you are wrong... Extremely large TGP's generate $5000 or more a day... perhaps you just need to get a life?
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02-08-2006, 08:54 AM

this conversation has been had 100 times. free porn will not go away.
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02-08-2006, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

Good sized TGP's make $2500... If you think they are giving away free porn with no return you are wrong... Extremely large TGP's generate $5000 or more a day... perhaps you just need to get a life?

define "extremely large" cus $5k/day is cah-ray-z
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02-09-2006, 12:15 AM

i prefer that the status quo be maintained.
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02-09-2006, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by pimpporn

Fuck you TGPS! jk, well, sort of. Fuck you TGPs with none of my site's galleries!

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02-09-2006, 12:29 AM

the only way to crush the tgp empire is to let it self collapse.

the more tgps = the more sites competing for the same free traffic = less hits for everybody = no ones making any $, all the little guys die off and the strong remain and dominate.

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02-09-2006, 12:30 AM

TGPS TURN FREELOADERS INTO PAID CUSTOMERS!!!!!!!!!

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