you know the last person I mentioned this to turned out to be a total fucknut, I hope this doesn't become a trend... :disgust

Good advice. 50k p2p and 20k website? whats that, 1000 hits to the tours a day? One sign up every 2 days? or is it clicked in which case you wouldn't even be thinking about spending 7k on a program?

You would be better off making AEN/AVSs with 2k worth of content. Thats like ONE unique episode and change. $700 content per site?? how the fuck is that going to retain? who would willingly promote that?

Assuming you aren't doing everything yourself with three solo girls planned and they're magically working for a % and they're going to continue working for more than a month without getting jack of it.... then.. for a hardcore site with unique content updates every week or two (personally I would be going unique to get the niche the way i wanted it with significant licensed padding as well as to better lure webmasters with something more than another cookie cutter site using the same content):

Before starting : enough traffic for at least 10 sign ups a day, this should cover updates or get close to keeping things running for the first couple of months after which time traffic aquisition will have hopefully kicked in.

Design 3 good sites: $3000
Cbill: $700
Nats: $500+$1000 = $1500 / $125/m
Content: $50,000 (mix of unique/licensed DVD's/pics/feeds)
Traffic aquisition: $50,000 (Bought traffic, wages/fees for tgp submitters/free site builders/other employees, webmaster promotion, PPS reserve)
Domains: $5000 (a couple with type ins, swathe of doms to create/build traffic on)
Hosting: 100mbps = $1000/m first month.

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Total: ~$110,000

You might start seeing a profit after a few months too.

After this it costs far less to add sites however.
I wouldn't like to start a multisite program on much less although of course I know it can be done especially producing your own content and if you have a lot of your own traffic. And anyway, for someone looking to start your own program for 7k t's best to start off with one site and grow from there for much less.

:2 cents:

I should have added another 10k for incidentals. scripts.. mods to scripts, getting screwed on something etc.

$110k huh? wow! :Oh crap

I wasnt telling people that $7600 will make a aff program, i was asking it is possible. Its really a question thread really. And 50k and 20k is going directly to the tours dude. I send 70k directly to my sponsor (although the p2p traffic never convert with pps stuff - dating does well though) - i think you misunderstood me.

no, I made a dj mix with different songs on it

I didbn't make that track

holy shit...I just realized something...you actually think when you get a mixed cd of Tiesto's djing, you think that it is all Tiesto's produced music

so, let me get this straight...not only did you know know techno originated in detroit....you also think a dj mix is all original music from that dj! jhahahahahahahahahahaha

sometimes it is all originals, but very rarely....Tiesto is a DJ, I am a DJ, we make our money playing other peoples music with our music thrown in there every once and a while

So putting the words "sexy sounds of jace" infront of any song makes it a mix by you?

Its funny how you talk all high and mighty - like you are above us webmasters. If you are a famous DJ like you say you are then why are you posting on gfy. With us nobodies? :1orglaugh

I would plan on more really.

*I gave a really cheap "1 time" outsourced price on designs assuming that most of the continual update graphics is done in house and you're only paying literally for a week or two of graphic design monkeys before you take over yourself.
*I didn't include things like CMS's really to start with as you could get away with it if you really wanted in the first couple of months before the updates really kick in and pad the site out.
*I didn't really include proper ongoing wages. Unless everything is mega automated or very bare 3 paysites with updates, member's/support emails, news writing, weekly advertising collateral (banners/FHGs etc), script fixing, content organising, editing etc etc will need 2-3 employees minimum.
*there is also a lot of assumed knowledge some people would have to pay for plus there is other things i would be doing.
*there is probably a hundred things I'm forgetting because im very busy and don't really have time to go through it properly atm, I just didn't like the way you jumped on that guy for saying not to waste your 7k.

so what revenue does your 70k bring in? i mean normally i'd do rough calcs on ~$1000/day with p2p making up most of it. But i don't have fuck all to base that off given i don't know what your 20k site is, what niche etc.. don't know your p2p sponsor or how dating would convert.. but as i said in my first post about it being clicked....if you're making near 7k/week then why in hell would you only spend a weeks pay on the most important thing you'd be investing in? save up for a year or so and spend 100k.. which is why i assumed it wasn't clicked.. Anyone capable of doing near 1k a day should know that 2k of content for 3 sites is a total and utter joke.. to the point of trolling and wondering whether i should even be replying to a joke thread.

I do ok. :winkwink: I dont need a lot of $ anyways dude, i got like no expenses.

1. I didn't add that one, those were sample clips of the mix created for flashcash's promo of the cd

2. I NEVER talk high and mighty, ask anyone that knows me bitch....I am an extremely humble person and will be the first to always admit I am wrong and I will always admit that there is more to learn

3. I NEVER EVER claimed to be a big famous dj, find ONE post where I said I was a famous dj?

4. I post on GFY for enjoyment and business. Unlike you, I actually have a little porn empire to run, and GFY helps me blow off steam and associate with people that i do business with.

Sorry that you feel you are a nobody, I don't think so, I think if you dropped the immature act and focused on shit, you could have a nice little porn business one day. Stop consistantly trashing anyone that differs in opinion from you. yes, I fucked with you one day for fun, and now you are acting like a 10 year old out on revenge. The only person that negativity like that hurts is your self, lighten up a bit and take shit a little easier when peopel throw it at you. Life is the school, love is the lesson

exactly you will run into tons of things like this little u didnt think about trust me not jsut things u got lol

1. Well if it said "sexy sounds of jace", what do you think people are going to think? Its like watermarking someonce elces contentand then telling everyone its not yours.

2. You are very humble - your posts on gfy bashing random people shows that very well.

3. You act like you are one.

4. People who run "porn empire" are not going to come on a message boards and say they run a "porn empire".

I dont just go bash anyone for no reason (like you do), if they did it to me then i will do it to them, i think its only fair. Yesh, you fucked with me one day - i remember that. Remember, you are the one that started it. I thought you were cool but then you fucked me over by insulting me for no reason. Why should i forget about that?? I bet you are the same way in real life.

No loyalty.

^ Just noticed so many spelling mistakes in that post. :1orglaugh Whatever, im high i dont care.

Jace sucks - thats the bottom line.

This thread is funny, especially all the people saying it will take a ton more money to start a program... It's funny because I know several people who've put together some sites with ccbill, no nats, basic designs, and they get affiliates, they convert just fine and they're making decent money. Bunch of them are even putting together FHGs etc. for their affiliates. But you need to start with 1 site first until you learn your trade. Also, keep in mind that getting affiliates is also a form of promotion. Too many programs sit back and wait for the affiliates come to them instead of researching the market and hitting up the people already promoting in that market. On the other hand, you don't really need affiliates. You can self promote to TGPs, link lists etc. all on your own (or hire a grunt). Too many people on this board think inside the box.

Start small, thats exactally what i was saying! :thumbsup

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ICQ me, when I get home. We can talk.

loyalty? what reason or when did we ever have a pact to be loyal to each other...I didn't know you, still don't know you, and judging by your maturity level I probably wouldn't ever want to know you

ask around man, ask anyone on this board in fact, most will tell you I am one of the better people in this business....I don't fuck around, I don't fuck people over, and I sure as hell don't blow up when someone has an opinion different than mine

sure, I have had extremely negative moments in the past, and sure people have come after me, but even though I am cynical (WAY different than bashing people for no reason) I am far from "unloyal" and "a thief"...seriously, ask around, make a new thread about it in fact, ask the majority

fact is, yeah, I was feeeling cocky one night and called you a surfer...OOOOOOO...DAMN!....get over it man

don't confuse being cynical with bashing, and jesus, for the love of christ, LIGHTEN UP MAN!

dude, if you ever get a minute to chat hit me on icq - 166708909

you need some help

xlogger, if your going to do it on a shoestring, find an untapped microniche and do it up man.

Quote: "(although i prefer mpa3 because they have less clients and i think i will get more attention this way)"

PS. We are not that cheap.

:2 cents: :winkwink:

yeah, i suggest you first find out how you can make money from all the traffic... keyword ALL!!!

then try to start a paysite. you haven't even got that done and ur talking about a shitty paysite with bullshit content.


:pimp

The correct Answer is $0.

me fail english? that's umpossible!

distribution comes first.. own the traffic and u can sell anything u want.
have enough money then send them to your own tours.

If you don't have anything good to offer, that traffic will go somewhere else. :)

well, i for one rather be the person with the traffic and picking who to send to...
then to be the person with the site begging ppl to promote me

:)

and besides, if i dont have anything good to offer, i can always tell them to go elsewhere with my ref :D

Traffic in this industry is just a fancy word for "people jerking off to porn on the interweb". Without content there is no industry, no porn, no traffic... nothing to see here let's go shopping! Content is still king :2 cents:

Without traffic, content is useless. Without content, traffic is useles. It's a two way road.

What came first? The chicken, or the egg? :helpme

Of course it can be done cheaper.. Everyone knows someone who started out a great paysite for 5k a couple of years ago. But excluding exceptional circumstances and % deals setting up 3 great sites from scratch today and promoting them to affiliates in the manner people are accustomed to as an "average program" is going to cost big money no two ways about it.

The question wasn't about starting any old paysite.. it was about starting a 3site program with all the usual jazz.

Answer my question bitch! :thumbsup

Might as well close the program before it starts if you made the above decision.

There is a reason why they have less clients...

You forgot to put in the cost of the affiliate website design.

Lots of people have started pretty damn good sized programs for small sums of money. Anyone remember Shap's thread around xmas? I wonder how much Quiet started with? It is definitely doable and you don't need crazy crazy sums of money.

The point is that you've been brainwashed into thinking you need all the "usual jazz" and to what's "usual".. You don't.. I know someone that's opened a site just a few months ago just using ccbill, a nice design and the content. The guy has almost all the "big" sites in the niche now promoting him which means he's making a bunch of money. Eventually he can expand (actually he already is) and can start to add in things like nats/mpa etc. But whatever, keep yourself inside the box if you're comfortable there.

xlogger, would you please contact me on icq?
thanks
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please make it and post your numbers in this thread then...along with the income number

btw Im not saying its not possible, but more than money is needed...