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01-26-2006, 03:56 PM

I'm currently making a section on my site for designers where we can share our experiences with either GOOD and HORRIBLE clients.

Why I'm making this? To avoid all the bad clients. If you're a designer and interested in joining hit me up on ICQ# 168048147.

I'm gonna keep this small and underground, only trusted designers will have access to this. Probably only taking three more studios.

So far the following studio's are joining:
WCsCreations.com - http://www.wcscreations.com/
Team31.net - http://www.team31.net/

I'm not going to make profit on this
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01-26-2006, 04:01 PM

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01-26-2006, 04:03 PM

damn GFY is moving quick today
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01-26-2006, 04:06 PM

I would love to help you out and join, but (for the most part) we have a private client list and do mostly only mainstream..... but here's a bump for you

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01-26-2006, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by EdgeXXX

I would love to help you out and join, but (for the most part) we have a private client list and do mostly only mainstream..... but here's a bump for you

The list of horrible experiences will only be shared between the accepted members. Nobody else will be able to access it.

I have a lot of mainstream clients too so I guess every bit helps.

It's all up to you tho
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01-26-2006, 04:18 PM

Two spots left.
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01-26-2006, 04:53 PM

OK this thing got sorted out.

Thanks $tandaman for hitting me up. This is gonna be good
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01-26-2006, 04:54 PM

LOL this thread is funny.

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01-26-2006, 05:00 PM

I'd be interested.

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01-26-2006, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by AlienQ

LOL this thread is funny.

I don't know what kinda bug you have up your ass lately, but man, you need to take a few pills, I think. This is actually a really good idea, how many designers have been burned by the same people time and again? I like you dude, but get off your damn high horse.

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01-26-2006, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by AlienQ

LOL this thread is funny.

This thread is not funny, it's dead serious. You're the funny one here. Fucking assclown

I have 5 reputable design studios ALREADY willing to participate and it's actually going to be hosted by Envisionext. How's that?
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01-26-2006, 06:12 PM

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01-26-2006, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by LadyMischief

I don't know what kinda bug you have up your ass lately, but man, you need to take a few pills, I think. This is actually a really good idea, how many designers have been burned by the same people time and again? I like you dude, but get off your damn high horse.

What's great about the idea?

lets put together a blacklist, and only let 5 or 6 people see it, to the exclusion of the hundred of other designers out there ready to get burned...
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01-26-2006, 06:21 PM

There are much better ways to protect yourself, involving much less hassle. All you have to do is think.

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01-26-2006, 06:23 PM

I don't get it. I deal with reputable designers and I pay in advance. How do you guys not get paid?

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01-26-2006, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by WarChild

I don't get it. I deal with reputable designers and I pay in advance. How do you guys not get paid?

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01-26-2006, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by WarChild

I don't get it. I deal with reputable designers and I pay in advance. How do you guys not get paid?

Then you're a good client. It's not always the designers fault, easy to put the blame on us.
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01-26-2006, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by DamageX

There are much better ways to protect yourself, involving much less hassle. All you have to do is think.

Then tell me, einstein?

REMEMBER this is not only about getting scammed, it's about clients who are a total pain in the ASS.

If you didn't experience this then you have to spend more time designing, eventually you'll know what I mean.
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01-26-2006, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

What's great about the idea?

lets put together a blacklist, and only let 5 or 6 people see it, to the exclusion of the hundred of other designers out there ready to get burned...

Actually it's not just for 5-6 designers. The plan has been modified, it'll be open for all design studios out there that are willing to SHARE their experiences
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01-26-2006, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by Basic_man

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01-26-2006, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by JamesK

Actually it's not just for 5-6 designers. The plan has been modified, it'll be open for all design studios out there that are willing to SHARE their experiences

Good step...

Now, all I gotta do to keep certain clients to all myself is get on there and badmouth them to other designers, and the clients will never know, nor get the chance to defend themselves or offer up their version of events.
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01-26-2006, 07:02 PM

I'm a designers dream client. Just ask Verbal

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01-26-2006, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

Good step...

Now, all I gotta do to keep certain clients to all myself is get on there and badmouth them to other designers, and the clients will never know, nor get the chance to defend themselves or offer up their version of events.

Trust me, it's not going to work like that. All designers will have to provide a lot of PROOF in every case. And let's say somebody wants to do this:

1. Not just everyone can join, every who can join is trusted to not do this
2. The threads will all be public after 3 months of existance
3. It's everyone's own choice if he wants to accept the badmouthed clients order or not, and trust me, many designers will probably still accept. They will be warned though.
4. A designer can't just write bad articles about anyone, we will monitor and probably also investigate without the client knowing anything, and let's see how his reputation gets fucked up after 3 months when the client reads it? That'd create some serious drama, so any designer that does this unjustified will eventually be punished.

Ofcourse this idea is not perfect, and there are some flaws, I never claimed it was perfect. But I think many designers will use it and even if it's just a few, it saves a lot of frustration for the designers.
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01-26-2006, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by AngelDollarsAndy

I'm a designers dream client. Just ask Verbal

Good clients will be listed too, so this is not just negativity
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01-26-2006, 07:09 PM

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Verbal = Bedroom Graphics

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01-26-2006, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by JamesK

Ofcourse this idea is not perfect

that's why I brought that shit up, cause sooner later they'd be asked/addressed/possibly exploited anyway.. just to get it out there in front..

i'm all for anything that protects/helps designers... but there's some shady fucking designers out there too : )
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01-26-2006, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by LadyMischief

I don't know what kinda bug you have up your ass lately, but man, you need to take a few pills, I think. This is actually a really good idea, how many designers have been burned by the same people time and again? I like you dude, but get off your damn high horse.

You dumb bitch anyone that produces a list and sells it is subject to slander or even making such a list public can be made into a court case.

Get REAL!

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Otherwise I got a phat list that I could make public, oops most of them are out of business now but hey there are a few survivors I could easily out but then the list would surprise to many and shock others and end up in court anyways.

Fucking morons.

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01-26-2006, 07:16 PM

Fact is, it far from a perfect world and if we could all share our tragedies we all would be far more honest and live a life free of fraud.

But reality is, the world is not made for that and the laws of the land dictate that those that question are condemed to sufferage.

Even if documented.
Hell I have documented plenty of fraud and cloak dagger shit only to be banned and in some cases threatened and other cases in a court of law for simply questioning and showing facts.

So until you know the real deal...

STFU.

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01-26-2006, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

that's why I brought that shit up, cause sooner later they'd be asked/addressed/possibly exploited anyway.. just to get it out there in front..

i'm all for anything that protects/helps designers... but there's some shady fucking designers out there too : )

Ah well at least there's a bit more information about the project in this thread now
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01-26-2006, 07:20 PM

MANY businesses in mainstream and adult do this sort of thing. Usually they do not publicize it, but I know for a fact that it is done.

I do not think it was wise to publicize it on the board.
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01-26-2006, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by JamesK

Then tell me, einstein?

REMEMBER this is not only about getting scammed, it's about clients who are a total pain in the ASS.

A client who's a total pain in the ass is one that you let be a pain in the ass. It's YOUR fault, not his.

Originally posted by JamesK

If you didn't experience this then you have to spend more time designing, eventually you'll know what I mean.

If you experience a lot of this, I suggest you spend some time taking customer service and salesmanship classes.

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01-26-2006, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by AlienQ

Fact is, it far from a perfect world and if we could all share our tragedies we all would be far more honest and live a life free of fraud.

I'm not saying designers will live in a perfect world and life free of fraud or ANYTHING like that. But I do KNOW for a fact that this will help the designers avoid unnecessary frustration. There are clients out there that DO pay, but they're a fucking pain in the ass and very hard to deal with.

This project will not only help designers by informing them about who's good and who is not, but it'll also warn the clients not to treat designers like dogs, which SOMETIMES HAPPENS.

Sure it doesn't happen to you, because you're perfect. We all know that.
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01-26-2006, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by DamageX

A client who's a total pain in the ass is one that you let be a pain in the ass. It's YOUR fault, not his.

If you experience a lot of this, I suggest you spend some time taking customer service and salesmanship classes.

Tell this to ALL designers that will participate on this project
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01-26-2006, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by adultchica

MANY businesses in mainstream and adult do this sort of thing. Usually they do not publicize it, but I know for a fact that it is done.

I do not think it was wise to publicize it on the board.

Why? I now have backup from other designers. Nobody but The Truth Hurts came up with some good arguments.

Besides, I'm not looking for much input, it's a designers own choice if he wants to participate or not. They will agree on this or not.
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01-26-2006, 07:30 PM

James you will end up in court...
You will end up ostracised.

Trust me on this.

In circulation in the underground such information can be found but to make a site whose sole purpose is to discredit or claim or even document issues against a company especially ones in the Us becomes subject to serious legal battles.

You got no idea what you are up against.
I rather see you just designing tours for what they are and filtering clients, or generating traffic and making sales.

There is no reason to stand out and have others work you out of the business.

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01-26-2006, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by AlienQ

You dumb bitch anyone that produces a list and sells it is subject to slander or even making such a list public can be made into a court case.

That's what terms are for
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01-26-2006, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by AlienQ

In circulation in the underground such information can be found but to make a site whose sole purpose is to discredit or claim or even document issues against a company especially ones in the Us becomes subject to serious legal battles.

It will not only be based on discredit. We will also list good experiences with clients
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01-26-2006, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by JamesK

That's what terms are for

Terms?

LOL you think a fucking piece of paper will really help?
What ya gonna get clients to agree to being exposed?

LOL!

Albeit there are alot of great companies to do business with that would never make the list but a seasoned designer knows who they will do business with easily and who they will not.

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01-26-2006, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by AlienQ

Terms?

LOL you think a fucking piece of paper will really help?
What ya gonna get clients to agree to being exposed?

1. A client will get exposed on the things he did wrong, do we need terms for a client when starting an ICQ conversation that it can be published if things go seriously wrong?
2. The drama on GFY, the slandering, did anyone every get sued for that?
3. You're referring to a "fucking piece of paper", what are the laws written on, a piece of lemon?
5. NOBODY will get sued for posting the TRUTH unless there's some kind of privacy deal between the two parties. The terms will claim the designer will post it on own risk so if the designer LIES and gets SUED which I highly doubt, it's his own fault.
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01-26-2006, 07:48 PM

good idea man
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01-26-2006, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by AngelDollarsAndy

I'm a designers dream client. Just ask Verbal

Grreeat! I have 2 clients and there goes one of 'em - Back off you vultures!

No but seriously, I appreciate you dropping that lawsuit
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01-26-2006, 08:01 PM

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01-27-2006, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by JamesK

Tell this to ALL designers that will participate on this project

I have no problem telling them the same. Thou shalt not bite the hand that feeds you. Turn a pain-in-the-ass client into a satisfied one and you will have far more to gain from that than from turning him/her away. But then again I'm trying to explain this to someone who thinks turning them away is good business.

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01-27-2006, 07:07 AM

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01-27-2006, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by AlienQ

You dumb bitch anyone that produces a list and sells it is subject to slander or even making such a list public can be made into a court case.

Get REAL!

Pah!!!!!

LESSSSEEEE!

Otherwise I got a phat list that I could make public, oops most of them are out of business now but hey there are a few survivors I could easily out but then the list would surprise to many and shock others and end up in court anyways.

Fucking morons.

Realllly now... Well I don't see anywhere where he says he's going to sell a list, perhaps I misread? Sharing information about people who fuck people over isn't slander, especially if there's proof.. Anyone who's ever fucked me over, I have MORE than enough to prove it. Slander or Libel indicates that it's NOT true.... what, they're going to sue because you told the TRUTH? Riiiiight..

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01-27-2006, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by DamageX

I have no problem telling them the same. Thou shalt not bite the hand that feeds you. Turn a pain-in-the-ass client into a satisfied one and you will have far more to gain from that than from turning him/her away. But then again I'm trying to explain this to someone who thinks turning them away is good business.

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01-27-2006, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by DamageX

I have no problem telling them the same. Thou shalt not bite the hand that feeds you. Turn a pain-in-the-ass client into a satisfied one and you will have far more to gain from that than from turning him/her away. But then again I'm trying to explain this to someone who thinks turning them away is good business.

Amen. I always pay my designers upfront and very rarely bitch about things but I would try to make damn sure I avoided those that may release details on my fussiness and how big a pain in the ass I am to all the rest of "the commission". So who's the capo di tuti capi?
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01-27-2006, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by DamageX

I have no problem telling them the same. Thou shalt not bite the hand that feeds you. Turn a pain-in-the-ass client into a satisfied one and you will have far more to gain from that than from turning him/her away. But then again I'm trying to explain this to someone who thinks turning them away is good business.

Sorry, but if a client acts like a true idiot to me I'm not gonna make him satisfied.

Ofcourse like I guessed there's some clients backing you up in this thread, there's little hard working and honest designers that will agree with you.

I wonder how you will feel when 90% of the designers participate on this.
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01-27-2006, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by Lee

Amen. I always pay my designers upfront and very rarely bitch about things but I would try to make damn sure I avoided those that may release details on my fussiness and how big a pain in the ass I am to all the rest of "the commission". So who's the capo di tuti capi?

Only extreme cases will be published. If you rarely bitch about things then there's NO chance you will be listed on it
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01-27-2006, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by JamesK

Sorry, but if a client acts like a true idiot to me I'm not gonna make him satisfied.

Ofcourse like I guessed there's some clients backing you up in this thread, there's little hard working and honest designers that will agree with you.

I wonder how you will feel when 90% of the designers participate on this.

I will so love that. In fact I'm hoping that you do. I will be held in so much higher esteem with all YOUR clients! Only problem will be hiring additional staff fast enough, but hey, everyone would love to have that problem.

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