how are things? everything ok? got icq?

This is specifically what I was speaking to, I disagree with the rest of TheDoc's assertions. In fact, basically this is why we have affiliate programs so guys who are better at that than we are can get us the traffic.

However, it is possible to swipe a domain name in AdWords and so a surfer types in my exact domain name and is directed to an affiliates adwords page which resides above our actual page yet claims our exact domain.

Stop whining you little bitch!

The only thing sucky is when someone gets the top spot and then sells it... Actually I have a ton of Yahoo top spots, anyone buying?

Well that's the issue, innit? I am NOT speaking about review sites or SE optimized galelries, I'm talking abotu people using a site's domain name in their adwords profile.

The fact is if they thought of it before we did, we kind of have to pay, don't we? That's the tough call.

I hate to OUT you man, but FYI to any program owners, this dude is a freaking traffic whore...

:warning

thanks to the affiliates.

and i would say an overture score of 2962 being "branded rather well" would be an overstatement. i have #1 spots on terms with 50x that score and the person who runs the program was happy and was eager to have me review more of their sites.

things are good. yes, fine. yes, i do.

:)
lol
email in sig btw :)

This is the one part that I am not sure I agree with. If "busty amateur boobs" was so uniquely identified with your site wouldn't those surfer who know the "busty amateur boobs" brand just type in your domain rather than use the SEs? In the case of a site having a less generic name say "tnvgirls.com" I agree that the search term term "tnv girls" is so specific that they have a 'claim' on the name.

I have some sites that I have intentionally used the sponsors site name in my domain. I spoke to them before I even launched the site to make sure they were comfortable with it and did not cancel my account. I have even gone so far as to request written permission. I have never had a sponsor refuse the request although I have had a sponsor tell me they would only allow it if I used the site to exclusively promote their sites. Sounds fair to me.

i will take his traffic please


jk doc

You guys are so lost and in your own world. Just reading most of your comments make me laugh so hard, just seeing how many have no idea they are talking about, really gets me laughing.


I did 100 sales a day before review sites, once I had them I till did 100 a day. But now, for the same damn traffic / sales, I pay out 30% more because they ripped off the branding, on the sehahaha8217;s I built.

I love rabbits reviews, I remember when they first reviewed us. They added us and we got a few says a day up to 5 or so daily.. It was nice. Then they got listed in google/yahoo, and the amount of sales he got shot up and the in-house sales went down, yet together overall I lost about 20% of my sales, because the review sites send them off to other sites. At this point his checks shot up, yet I now net LESS money.

The keywords hahaha8220;busty amateur boobshahaha8221;, and so on, in overture, had zero search results the first few months of us opening the site. Meaning people didnhahaha8217;t go to the search engines and type in those keywords, even though if you did it would return results anyway. So ithahaha8217;s not like someone else built the branding, we did. Not the webmasters, we did. Years before we had webmasters.

People starting to undertstand yet?

the paysites that really get the raw end of the stick in review site scenario are not those that get a bad score. its those who's keyword is most popular.
'busty amateur boobs' is not a big keyword. chances are you're getting many times more traffic from review sites which initially comes from SEs through keywords like 'big naturals' and 'busty adventures' to name a few.

i dont agree that lack of hardcore should penalize a paysite. we don't.

and you have every right to provide whichever product you feel makes you the most money. but review site's job is to take the consumers pov. so your options are:

1. refuse reviews
2. use them to improve your product and compete against other sites
3. status quo, but then don't complain :)

I haven't had my program open that long, I built the branding. We have had DVD's for years, before we had webmasters. We built the damn branding.

He sure is complaining about it...

Review sites are good, they (mostly) give good, honest views on sites and whats good and whats not. It pushes us to provide a better site all the time.

lol overture numbers are bullshit.

it says some major site names werent even searched last month. do an adword test to see real impressions.

interesting how perspectives on things shift in time...

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We do refuse new review sites, we don't kill current webmasters for something I allowed. We can't really improve much more. Size/volume/revshare program, members seem to stay pretty happy and not bitch about content/updates, which is what most review sites nail us on.

You kind of make my point, if the traffic "started off" looking for score-land in google, found your site at the #1 or #2 slot, didn't like your review, then found my review and joined, yeah, it's not really fair. However, if it was a standard visitor hitting your site, maybe they thought they wanted score but found they liked my site, then so be it, fair fight for the traffic.

I understand the person may not have joined score anyway, but they could have, and I just ripped it from them. I don't find it fair.

I do see both ways guys :)

ever think about the fact that there are better sites now... and thats why your sales have not increased over time....... and its not because of your affiliates

Gee you think? So why don't you be a big man, ban all new review sites that "steal" your wonderful keyphrase, but give back the THOUSANDS of type-in sales you've gotten over the years due 100% to your gallery submitters. Then you can say you keep it fair, otherwise you look like a complete tool.

My sales have increased over time, and not because of my webmasters, I have more inhouse sales daily than I have ever had on EGC. You have no idea who I am, and even what I do, please go away.

For some reason this thread reminds me of some mainstream program owners

Ahahahah wtf is an inhouse sale a type-in? Where the fuck do you think those came from? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You know, really I don't have many TGP webmasters, I do have a few niched big ones, but that's about it. Hosted galleries, I know exactly how many hits that end up from my domains through links, 404's or url removes. It's not much, I only have like 75 galleries or some crap like that.

And we don't allow new review sites to review us. Getting close to a year a year now.

An inhosue sale is a sale produced from my own traffic sources, not a type-in. Webmasters produce about 10% type-ins to paysites, then out of that 10% we have to conver them. Webmaster type-in traffic is a joke.

Replace TGP with ANY traffic source affiliates use to push you. Bottom line is a HUGE number of sales come from type-ins, returning customers, etc etc etc that originated from affiliates but end up 100% in your pocket. Sad part is you probably know this in the back of your mind but you'd rather yell how your "in-house" traffic is growing and growing but give no credit to affiliates that caused this. Instead you find a reason to dislike how they sent you traffic.

Aye a few mainstream programs have started to pop up things in the terms about keyword targeting in the se's. I wonder why... It's going to be come a big thing, I feel, in the years to come.

dude, busty amateur boobs is at 3k in overture and bustyamateurboobs at 800...thats like 1 sale a day. What are you talking about?

just close the program down if you dont want anyone to review your site or send you traffic with "your" keywords.

Likewise. Apparently you are confused because i am not the only one that thinks the same. Im glad you have traffic and really dont need to know you personally. :thumbsup

Another person that doesn't know who I am. Please go away. I have given up more real stat info, than anyone here, other than maybe Shap.

I know EXACTLY how many type-ins webmasters produce. And if you look my site over you will see every 404, every inbound hosted gallery, warning page, everything I have is linked up to make sure the return visit, bookmark, etc, all go back to the webmaster.

I have my own traffic. I send to a lot of programs on this board. Hell, MOST nats programs get traffic from me or have.

If you really think this close your affiliate program. Hell you rode the affiliates backs to where you are now, close down and you'll still have a nice income bigger than you did 3 years ago. Of course you could also look hard at the numbers and how your non referral sales magically went up as soon as you got some real affiliates. Do a little math and you'll see how many extra signups you got over the last few years and you'll also see that it's hand over fist more than you've paid to people "stealing" your keywords. Of course, you'd never come admit this here so you'll just shut up and continue raping the people that helped make you who you are.

But hey, at least you'd shut up. :thumbsup

I know exactly who you are, I know you're rich and I've been told by many people I respect that you are one smart motherfucker. That's why on this subject I'm at a loss as to how you could possibly be so stupid.

so can you tell me how you branded a generic keyword like "busty amateur boobs" ?

Can you honestly say those are brandable words? MILF Hunter. Brandable. MILF porn. Not brandable. Busty Amateur Boob Fiends. Brandable. Busty Amateur Boobs. Not brandable. WED Cell Phone. Brandable. Cell Phone. Not brandable.

You have no non generic keywords in your name. "busty" "amateur" and "boobs" are widely searched kewords. Notice how the big names in the industry arent hardcoresex.com but rather bangbros.com or milfhunter.com etc. They use names that would turn up more or less nothing other than their site. If you can search for your site name on google and not find nearly every result leading to your site, it isn't branded.

I hope you can see the difference between branding and having a generic term.

Amazing how some people are so full of themselves. You are not one to run an affiliate program as you are so clueless on providing service to webmasters. You are better off shutting off your affiliate program.

you tellin people.. that they dont know WHO YOU ARE!!.. doesnt make you any bigger, smarter or better. The truth here is that you dont know who a lot of other people here are.

Stop assuming that you are better when in all honesty you are nobody to most people.

Most of the return results for "busty amateur boobs" are ads for my sites, just like if you type in "milf hunter". Milf hunter is kinda a bad example because of it's size, but overall the results are almost the same.

If I target a paysite and the name in the search engines then I send that traffic to that paysite from a detailed humerous review. Usually works

I'm not saying I'm bigger, smarter or better. I don't care if someone thinks I'm a somebody. If so, neat. You were trying to tell me what my program does and doesn't do, and how my traffic works, when you have no idea.

Now, the 1 or 2 people that do know me, know I have traffic. That was my point.

6/10 on page one dont promote your site site, #1 being one of them...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...oogle+Sea rch

ouch, I can see why this is a painful issue for you...

man, time to get the whip out and get some of your people working on getting your domain back up to the Organic top there...

:helpme

:thumbsup

self contradiction is a motherfucker!

Search the keyword "public invasion" Bang Bros launched it last week yet all results promote it. It's because its a brandable term that you wont find on many other sites that are relevant.

The problem with your site is that it doesnt have a truely unique name.

not even 1 sale a day

Doc..... I'm not going to give you too much shit.. because I somewhat understand where you are coming from. I have the same problem with a site on yahoo because of their damn directory listings. So I feel a little of what you are going through.

However you can't expect to sit around and just get your rankings with no work. If your affiliates work harder than you, they will out rank you.. plane and simple.

Your waning page is a PR1 I mean seriously you can't expect to rank with a pr 1. Top it off with you only have "BustyAmateurBoobs" on your index in "one" spot on the text and then in the title. Damn man the first rule of thumb is to work your keywords in as much as you can even on the warnng pages.

On your tour.. "Our specialized team of Big Boob Hunters in bold but "Busty Amateur Boobs" is standard text. Which leads to another issue.. You are complaining about people targeting your domain keywords, yet you turn around and do the same thing to your compitition.

Looking at the text Big Boob Hunters which is someone elses site.. http://www.BigBoobHunters.com So if you expect Busty Amateur Boobs to be your keywords, should Big Boob Hunters be theirs?

Complaining will get you no where, you need to do the same thing us affiliates do.. We work at getting our positions, so dont expect to keep yours with out working as well.

That's not a really good search query at all ;) Try "ideal boobs" :winkwink: But to be serous, I have very good sales from various review sites. So why shouldn't I use such an opportunity to sell my paysites?

lets say its a good paysite and therefore 1 sale a day :)

Totem Cash posted all their stats as well and still do.

Dvd's and the paysites, came out at the same time.. contradict want?
We sold other DVD's too, we have for years, branded our urls in the DVD's once we opened the sites. Then we built our own traffic to the sites. Rather simple to understand.

na I don't push my warning page, if you hit the /01/ folder the main tour, it has a ranking. I don't have any hard links to the warning page. I also work the SE's, no worries :) It just blows to fight for your own domain name keywords. Kinda the point everyone missed. Even more so on my domains, when I built the branding before the webmasters.





And yes people, my domain name is so low on overture that I only get one sale a day, if that, from se's. Idots.