Why do you assume so much? So what if the content was shot for stock content? If the model releases are standard versions, who cares where the images appear? If you are talking of professional models - that is the biz they are in and getting paid for it. They are not in the biz of making "rules" to suit their finer sensibilites after having done work and signed a contract.

hey Aza, what's up?

Shitty and rare situation. I suppose the girl was in your tour and not just in members area. Truth is companies have the right to decline the business of any potential client based on their own criteria, but I would expect by the time they would receive money from you guys to have already checked these things.

Just because you said that I am now going to talk to the other parties invovled and let them make that decision on there own.I have nothing to gain by making this shit up infact do a search on me and find one thing I have slammed someone on unless it was out of defence and bullshit talk that I see in most threads damaging good companies and people.
But I will bring this thread to there attention and if they choose to comment on it that is there biz at this point What I heard was fucked up.. But lIke I said I heard one side you could have just let it go but now I will bring it to lite unless I was fed a lie which is possible..
people always fuck people in this biz since I started 10 years ago in it and there is always 2 sides to every story

Perhaps models should take the time to fully read and understand what they are signing.

Also if epassporte had gone about this the right way the pictures could have easily been removed....but they went about it in a very stupid way :2 cents:

the girl in question has managment and is normally contracted for Bodyglove etc. like I said lets see the contract she not just some wanna be bikini model look her up. and honestly if I didnt know her I wouldnt give a shit but she is a very good friend. she now works for Epassporte and if they choose to protect there employees that there right:2 cents: have you seen what she signed?

I'm over this you can all think what you want I already spent to much time on it

Epassporte's been great for me and I plan to continue getting paid through it as long as possible. Stating an opinion of one alleged action of one rep of the company isn't something I'd consider "bashing".

Roger, tell your friends to grow a set of fucking balls and contact me directly if they have a problem with me or something that I've done. Starting and spreading rumours is for pussies!

And you should think twice before you start spreading damaging rumours about people when you have no idea what the fuck your talking about. You said yourself that you didn't know if it was true or not....but that didn't stop you from attacking me and trying to ruin my credibility with your post.

Fuck You Roger :boid

That can only mean one thing poeple are going to get served:2 cents: but I could be wrong these are all just my opinions that dont really mean shit

Giving me the finger LOL you dont mean shit to me.. and just for talking shit about Leslie and Epass :321GFY back at ya.. It goes both ways talk shit about someone and 10 are pointing there fingers back at ya. maybe your new company doesnt use Epass and has the same feelings about them thats your biz. but you saw the post I made before you had to make a fucked up comment like this:2 cents:
,If Leslie has a problem with a website using her material without a legal model release then she should hire an attorney and go after them just like most people do under this circumstance. Having ePassport do all your dirty work is pathetic and makes ePass look like the clowns

you dont think thats damaging to EpassPorte calling them clowns

Hell I said I heard a rumour I didnt call you a Piece of shit or a clown
but its ok for you to sling mud and throw your 2 cents in there on something you only know one side too. And Yes they are looking out for one of there own something anyone of you would do at least I hope

also I said it was a rumour all you had to say was its not true and move on. but for some reason it got under your skin so now I'm going to look a little deeper into and if its not true trust me I will appoligize to you for even bringing it up if it was a lie. but if its not I will have them post and then the truth will come out if they choose to if they dont I owe you an appology
I am not someone who talks shit unless i'm in defense mode

Roger, I have the right to say how I feel about ePassport just like everybody else on this board does. I've delt with them personally and I can tell you first hand that they are a bunch of clowns. Perhaps your experience has been different... but that's my experience. I didn't spread any damaging rumours about them though did I? I didn't spread any damaging rumours about you ... did I? You on the other hand, thought it would be cool to spread a rumour about me that you acknowledged you didn't even know was true or not. Then when I called you on the rumour...you can't even give me any specifics about it. If you've got something to say to me Roger - fucking say it already. If you don't...then shut your fucking pie hole and move along. Starting rumours (or spreading rumours) about people when you admittingly don't even know if it's true information or not says a lot about you. If you haven't confirmed it was true information then you should have kept your mouth shut.

I could give a shit if you look into it further or not...... you've already crossed the line. You should have looked into it further before you opened your mouth and tried to use it against me. As far as I'm concerned...the damage is done.

Your fucking pathetic!

Dean,weren't you the one that did the photoshoot with KK for epassporte? That was a good one.

Didnt see this post so now i will just zip my lips I guess its just there personal decision then

Welllll I'll be a son of a bitch.

I've seen her b4

Infact I was being nice and said it was a rumour but it was first hand information that I just happen to get a few days ago from someone who wanted advice. I thought it was fucked up could they have lied to me yes but I doubt it and now I will see if they will post what you did could have possibly damaged there biz. but I dont know the contracts I will ask them.

so who's the pathetic pie hole I never fucked anyone try diggging anything up on me....

keep pissing me offff you dont know when to just shut the fuck up

How about reading the first post in a thread before replying? Just a tip... :winkwink:

And on another note... Where is Epassporte in this thread???

RogerV, That's a nice looking program you've got there, I never clicked your sig befor. :D I didn't look at everything, but it looks like you guys have come up with decent stuff.

thanks alot In a few weeks we will have tons of hosted galleries and free clips for free sites etc. that will rock hope you give us a try:thumbsup

Epassporte biz is not that of "protecting" their employees from their past history.

Last I heard that company was formed for issuing electron cards and moving money - not pissing about with models who "normally" work for whatever company.

No.. I have not seen what the model signed, but have no reason to assume anything other than the truth from Aza:

Bottom line... hear ya loud and clear about the friend stuff. But may be a clue to have a clue before assuming so much about everyone concerned and being a prima donna drama queen with the rumor spreading. :thumbsup

Haha is this shit for real???

Yeah ?

1) No 2257 shit needed (anyways, you can tell she aint' 17 lol..)
2) Great pics and SHE AGREED to do the shooting right ?
3) I just sent an application to Epass for a part time job.
4) The Nicolas dude is pissed cause he's in love with da babe :1orglaugh
Probably by his desk all day long :1orglaugh

FUnny how Roger V thinks he knows it all

Roger, with all due respect. You are taking this all too personal for your own good.

No, that was Oliver Klozov.

Roger....Roger, you attack me and try to ruin my credibility with damaging rumours and then you get pissed off because I don't "just shut the fuck up"? Your a piece of work Roger! If I had attacked you with a bunch of fucking lies I'm sure you would "just shut the fuck up" too right? You came after me slinging mud first cowboy...in case you forgot. It's OK for you to piss me off but I can't defend myself? :1orglaugh

Next time you want to spread some fucking rumours about people - do your homework and find out if what you heard was the truth or not. A better idea is to just keep your nose out of my business. What I do, what I say and how I treat my clients (and models) is of no concern of yours. :321GFY

ah right

All these panties in a bunch.

Roger said his piece and he's entitled to his opinion. He does know the girl in question so of course he's a little emotionally involved and that does change your perspective on situations, so give the guy a break.

Dean, I can completely understand you being upset at the rumor that came out here, but don't ya think you would be better off finding out who started the rumor than freaking out cuz Roger told you? I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I'd rather someone tell me they heard something not to nice about me so I could address it.

My take on the original issue? Not that anyone cares, but I've read what you all had to say so know I am going to subject you to my opinion. *grin* It's a bikini site, right? That's what it appears to be to me. If I am correct on that account, I don't think there really are grounds for the model to be upset. A bikini site is no different then the Sport's Illustrated swimwuit issue, as far as it being "porn" or not. ePassporte, if truly interested in protecting their employee from having her image used in an unauthorized manner (a noble idea, but it doesn't seem like the use is unauthorized from the information that's been provided) could have provided her with legal counsel instead of denying the account. Of course they can run their biz how they see fit-we all can. But there is good biz practice that most of us strive for, and they fell short of that, IMO.

I love this thread :) Btw, where did Roger go?

The thing is....if epassporte had explained the situation and made some decent and professional requests, things could have been easily resolved.

Instead they made threats, and suggested we forged/manipulated the documents. This is just insulting.

Its not our fault the model chose to not fully read or understand the documents she was signing.

And besides, it is bikini content in a bikini site.

Chris Mallick is currently in Europe but will be in the thread shortly to answer the questions posted here.

lol :D Is it true?

This will be even more fun when Chris gets in...

Hey Chase - If Roger would have ICQ'd me or sent me an email addy and briefed me on the rumour...that would have been great. I would have been more then happy to explain anything that I could to him about whatever he's talking about. Instead, he decided to take a private convo between him and a buddy - a convo where his buddy was asking for advice - and use that pubicly against me without ever finding out or caring what my side of the story was. Yea...that pisses me off pretty big time. I had a lot of respect for Roger before this but right now.....he's ruined all his credibility with me :disgust

I'm finished replying to Roger's bullshit rumours here in this thread. Roger, if you have anything you feel you need to say to me...reply to the email that I sent to you last night. I think your a piece of shit for bringing this rumour to this board without first finding out what my side of the story was but I'm sure you think you were doing your friend some justice and apparently it made you feel good to spread these lies about me? :Oh crap

And to your friend who told you this lie - grow some fucking balls and contact me directly if you have a problem with me. If we've done business together...you know how to reach me. And be prepared to tell me why you confided in Roger (which he didn't keep private) instead of discussing this with me first.

:thumbsup

1) There's 3 sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth
2) There and Their are used wrong in multiple replies aswell as Your and You're
3) Roger how can remember all the names of your personal "friends" you seem to have so many how do you remember?
4) Where's epassporte in this thread?
5) For a guy who doesn't like rumours you seem to know, remember and out them, why?
6) I forgot 6 :upsidedow

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First, let me say that I have nothing against Keyser, Chris, or Epassporte but this is the reason we never opened an epassporte account. I don't like to judge people or companies by just what I read, but Business Is Business. All of the complaints that we have read regarding the company is more than enough to make us keep our distance.

Also, not to pass early judgement but:

Chris Mallick is the only one that can answer for this? If you tried to pull this in the mainstream corporate world, you would be laughed out of existence. Sometimes the company (IMHO) tends to come off as a bunch of kids or amateurs trying to play "business", and not as a serious and legitimate corporation with goals and competant management :2 cents:

Yeah, I'm feelin' ya. I do understand where you are coming from, and I'd be riled up in your shoes, too.

I guess I'm just a PollyAnna type. It takes a lot for me to lose respect for someone that I considered a good person-more then saying something out of turn unless it was passing out my SSN or something. I know I make a lot of mistakes, so I try not to hold anyone to any higher standards then I know I could meet myself.

lol I love the Collision Course.....gotta play it now....damn...cranks up the sound system :thumbsup

99 problems but the bitch ain't one is more apropriate for this thread :pimp

Sorry it took so long to post, but I am in Europe on business.

I have not read this entire thread, so I may not be answering all questions posted but this what I am allowed and prepared to say.

I will only post this once in this or any related material thread.

We may choose to do business with, or to decline to do business with whomever we want, just as any other company. We declined this business for a variety of reasons, most of which are the subject of future litigation and as a consequence I am unable to comment fully.

What I will say is that: (1) the model release was altered and did not allow for publication of the photos beyond the one swimsuit calendar that Lesley posed for; (2) the ads and banners and search engine promotions are not truthful or accurate, as Lesley has NEVER posed nude and does not appear in any adult related material whatsoever, therefore the client promotes sites that do not deliver the promised content. This violates FCC regulations and our internal policies; (3) Lesley is a valued, trusted and professional member of our Team at ePassporte, plus one of my closest friends, so I am personally offended that her images are being used and promoting her as a ?porn star?. I obviously have no problem with Adult content or sites, but when a woman is NOT content and her images are being stolen and misrepresented, and it affects her career and personal life, then I get bent out of shape. Any of you would have reacted the same, I hope, if your friends were being treated in this way.

The bottom line is that I won?t do business with this company or this individual. It is my choice and not one that implies anything to this Industry, to which I have been and will continue to be an ardent supporter and actively involved.

Lastly, Lesley is going to file a lawsuit to have these lies and misrepresentations corrected as she has been and continues to be damaged. I will support her efforts in that regard in any way she wishes. This could all be avoided if the images were removed, which is what we asked the company to do, at Lesley?s request. They chose to leave them up, to continue damaging her and then the account was declined. End of story.

Once again, no one from ePassporte will post further, no matter how much we are baited or threatened or taunted in this or any other forum. Actually I am not even going to return to this thread to avoid wasting time and energy. This is a legal matter going forward. Hopefully this is understandable to all of our valued clients. If not, I?m sorry that I can?t explain our position any further.

C

wild and very very interesting thread

IMHO, from a (mainstream) corporate standpoint: VERY poor response. It felt extremely defensive and full of contempt for the reader(s) in general; not just who it was directed towards :2 cents:

ruh roh raggy

i have had nothing but the best support from the people at epassporte and lesley...keep up the good work :)

SexyBabes - if you want to offer ePassporte as a payment option for your webmasters, you need to play by his rules ^
Good luck to everyone involved :)

Sounds like the CEO is boning her and she pull'd a red card on it.

Poor decision.

I think this comes down to an issue of respect. How we all deal with each other is the most important thing.

This is one of the few industries that direct competitors can be the best of business partners. We all may bitch or fight with each other, but at the end of the day we all still want to do business together.

The team at Epassporte, Shaliza Lesley Chris and many others, do an excellent job. Moving forward they have some great things in store for all of us.

Would we all like to see this or that integrated into their system? Of course.
Are they working hard to get those integrations put in there? Of Course they are.

In the end it comes down to all playing nice together. We will get much further.

ePassporte has every right to deny any potential client for whichever reason. Find yourself another payment processor and move on.

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Legal disclaimer: The lyrics of the above track do not constitute a direct or indirect interpretation of any event(s) and/or person(s) mentioned in this thread. Therefore it should be perceived as an entertaining one and not as a personal attack or offense.