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  • GTS Mark
    Vrume Mark
    • Jan 2001
    • 20912
    #1

    Is The Domain Buying Game All "Sizzle" and No "Steak"?

    Not to take a shot at Rick Latona, I respect him greatly. But the big buzz right now in adult and mainstream is domain name buying and I for one think that we might be in a big bubble for this kind of business.

    I read this article a few weeks ago in Business 2.0 and thought "damn this market is going to fall out very quickly!"
    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/busin...4591/index.htm

    What are your guys thoughts on this matter? Are domains that are purchased now going to appreciate greatly and be worth a lot more later on or is it all just "sizzle" and no "steak"? Is this a big pump and dump?

    DH
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    • MrIzzz
      If u touch it, I will cum
      • Sep 2003
      • 22923
      #2
      "moose steaks" are THE next big thing...beleive me. no one listened to me when i said bison burgers would be huge and now look...

      buy moose meat stock and you will all be rich like canadians


      WHO WANTS TO PLAY GRAB-ASS?

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        • cyber_ninja
          Twerk That Ass
          • Jul 2001
          • 2197
          #3
          i think any adult domain that had 2 words or less will be worth money in the next few years,a lot of new webmasters are buying domains so we are getting short

          Supply and demand

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            • GTS Mark
              Vrume Mark
              • Jan 2001
              • 20912
              #4
              Originally posted by MrIzzz
              "moose steaks" are THE next big thing...beleive me. no one listened to me when i said bison burgers would be huge and now look...

              buy moose meat stock and you will all be rich like canadians


              O R'LY!!!!???

              DH

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                • Stallion
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jan 2001
                  • 6632
                  #5
                  It goes through its cycles. It died off abit, and now its getting better.
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                    • beemk
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                      • Jan 2002
                      • 20829
                      #6
                      i think they're good investments if you can find good deals, just like most other things.
                      I host with Vacares

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                        • WiredGuy
                          Pounding Googlebot
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 34512
                          #7
                          I think so long as the PPC market is doing well, the domain market will follow as there is a correlation (not direct, albeit a correlation) between the two.
                          WG
                          I play with Google.

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                            • Ice
                              Confirmed User
                              • Nov 2002
                              • 26053
                              #8
                              Mmmmmmmmmmmmm Steak

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                                • triumph
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Dec 2002
                                  • 3433
                                  #9
                                  It could be in a bubble, but you have to look at it in a way that it is still young and growing, and has alot of potential to grow bigger.

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                                    • Biggy2
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Feb 2002
                                      • 1821
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                      I think so long as the PPC market is doing well, the domain market will follow as there is a correlation (not direct, albeit a correlation) between the two.
                                      WG

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                                        • Rick Latona
                                          The Best Ideas Start Here
                                          • Dec 2002
                                          • 6037
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by DrinkingHARDER
                                          Not to take a shot at Rick Latona, I respect him greatly. But the big buzz right now in adult and mainstream is domain name buying and I for one think that we might be in a big bubble for this kind of business.

                                          I read this article a few weeks ago in Business 2.0 and thought "damn this market is going to fall out very quickly!"
                                          http://money.cnn.com/magazines/busin...4591/index.htm

                                          What are your guys thoughts on this matter? Are domains that are purchased now going to appreciate greatly and be worth a lot more later on or is it all just "sizzle" and no "steak"? Is this a big pump and dump?

                                          DH
                                          Hit me up on ICQ and I'll explain my thoughts. I'm not going to educate the whole board.
                                          Regards,

                                          Rick Latona
                                          http://latonas.com

                                          Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties
                                          Note to buyers of websites and traffic: please check our inventory at http://latonas.com/websites-for-sale. If you would like to make an offer on something, just let me know.

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                                            • SomeCreep
                                              :glugglug
                                              • Mar 2003
                                              • 26118
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Ice
                                              Mmmmmmmmmmmmm Steak
                                              That's what I was thinking. I'm hungry

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                                                • Pornwolf
                                                  Drunk and Unruly
                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                  • 22712
                                                  #13
                                                  Anything they are not making more of turns it into a product that is in demand.

                                                  Domains are exactly like real estate except with higher margins that matures faster.

                                                  The only thing that will make "the bubble" burst is if there becomes a new standard for finding websites. Ya never know, it could happen.
                                                  I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

                                                  Webair, bitches.

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                                                    • slapass
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                      • 14625
                                                      #14
                                                      The only thing that makes it seem a bit shaky is the typein traffic. They sell it to search engines but i doubt many people over the age of twelve type stuff in. The conversion rates are not what people claim. I own some really small type ins and over time it adds up but nothing like people think.

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                                                        • sacX
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                          • 2998
                                                          #15
                                                          it's not one market.. some domains are bought on pure speculation others return income as soon as you set them up.
                                                          Have Asian Language Traffic?

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                                                            • BradShaw
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                              • 7840
                                                              #16
                                                              I thought this in 1997, a few people are really laughing all the way to the bank these days. I would not throw out $5million, or even $1million these days, but god bless Rick and others. I am just very conservative with my funds. Hard to make millions, very easy to lose them.
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                                                                • Theprincipal
                                                                  Registered User
                                                                  • Oct 2005
                                                                  • 80
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Could someone explain to me how buying .com is a big risk? As long as .net or something like it become the new thing. People would always type in for .com
                                                                  Too rich for sig money

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                                                                    • PimpDaddyPants
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Aug 2005
                                                                      • 1581
                                                                      #18
                                                                      I see it lasting since some people register a name that later becomes a corporate name or slogan or product and they get quite a few pennies for it.

                                                                      thats my 2ct's

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                                                                        • Steen2
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                          • 7662
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by PimpDaddyPants
                                                                          I see it lasting since some people register a name that later becomes a corporate name or slogan or product and they get quite a few pennies for it.

                                                                          thats my 2ct's
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                                                                            • slapass
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                              • 14625
                                                                              #20
                                                                              How many sites do you go to like men.com or miniblinds.com? So few names like that turn into real sites.

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                                                                                • crockett
                                                                                  in a van by the river
                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                  • 76818
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by slapass
                                                                                  How many sites do you go to like men.com or miniblinds.com? So few names like that turn into real sites.
                                                                                  very true..
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                                                                                    • Brujah
                                                                                      Beer Money Baron
                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                      • 22157
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Steak baby.

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                                                                                        • KRL
                                                                                          Entrepreneur
                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                          • 31429
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Steak???

                                                                                          More like Filet Mignon and Lobster!

                                                                                          Out of all my online business friends, I'd say the wealthiest ones by far are the guys that have invested their money in building huge portfolios of mainstream and adult domains.

                                                                                          Domains are just like owning prime real estate, pure and simple.

                                                                                          If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor
                                                                                          from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION!
                                                                                          *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
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                                                                                            • WiredGuy
                                                                                              Pounding Googlebot
                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                              • 34512
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                              Steak???

                                                                                              More like Filet Mignon and Lobster!

                                                                                              Out of all my online business friends, I'd say the wealthiest ones by far are the guys that have invested their money in building huge portfolios of mainstream and adult domains.

                                                                                              Domains are just like owning prime real estate, pure and simple.


                                                                                              Now that's a surf and turf! I forgot what we were even talking about in this thread, lol.

                                                                                              WG
                                                                                              I play with Google.

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                                                                                                • KRL
                                                                                                  Entrepreneur
                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                  • 31429
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by slapass
                                                                                                  How many sites do you go to like men.com or miniblinds.com? So few names like that turn into real sites.
                                                                                                  You don't necessarily need real sites to make money with domains.

                                                                                                  If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor
                                                                                                  from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION!
                                                                                                  *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
                                                                                                  Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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                                                                                                    • Taboo
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                                                      • 3700
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by DrinkingHARDER
                                                                                                      What are your guys thoughts on this matter? Are domains that are purchased now going to appreciate greatly and be worth a lot more later on or is it all just "sizzle" and no "steak"? Is this a big pump and dump?

                                                                                                      DH
                                                                                                      Yes I believe some domains will appreciate. But it depends what you're buying & why. I buy domains to develop, but if I have too much on the backburner or someone is interested in the domain, I'll consider any serious offer. I'm still buying and selling, but I'm not moving in the same direction as the PPC/Traffic part of the industry. I focus on brandable domains with or without traffic. Companies/Startups are still buying brandable domains from me and traffic hasn't been a factor/dealbreaker. Even though I have negotiated with some of the large PPC buyers who only care about traffic and are offering 3x-8x+ revenues, I've been able to sell a few domains this year for substantial cash up front (5 & 6 figure deals) + % of revenue (ad &/or sales) AND received equity stakes in the newly formed companies (10%-49%). FYI, I had to fight for these type of deals, the negotiations were drawn out, but it made sense to all parties involved in the end.

                                                                                                      But right now there are probably new domain speculators buying countless domains who are mortgaging their houses and taking huge gambles on a market they haven't taken the proper time to study... so a crash will surely come... and of course the strong will survive as always.

                                                                                                      But the bottom line for me, if a domain's value doesn't appreciate, no big deal, I bought it to develop into a site and build value into the name/brand that way. I'd rather flip domains than flip burgers, but I'd rather flip companies then flip domains. (and imo, it's much more fun)

                                                                                                      either way, good luck.

                                                                                                      .

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                                                                                                        • Taboo
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                                          • 3700
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                          You don't necessarily need real sites to make money with domains.


                                                                                                          so true.

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                                                                                                            • GTS Mark
                                                                                                              Vrume Mark
                                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                                              • 20912
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              So will domains become like houses, you fix them up and flip them hehe??!! Will we have domain renovations shows coming in the future on TLC? ;)

                                                                                                              DH

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                                                                                                                • Drake
                                                                                                                  Hello world!
                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                  • 12508
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I have no clue, but I also don't have the money to buy single word domains, so I haven't given it much thought hehe

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                                                                                                                    • Drake
                                                                                                                      Hello world!
                                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                      • 12508
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I do think it's a very different game than Real Estate and so that analogy can only go so far.
                                                                                                                      Last edited by Drake; 01-24-2006, 11:29 PM.

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                                                                                                                        • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                          • 51692
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          You need somebody to market the domain right for it to be worth anything. But good domains name will be worth a ton... because they are there in very limited ammount and the internet is very vast. I just don't see it dropping in prices anytime soon.
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                                          I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                                                            • Doctor Dre
                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                              • 51692
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                              Steak???

                                                                                                                              More like Filet Mignon and Lobster!

                                                                                                                              Out of all my online business friends, I'd say the wealthiest ones by far are the guys that have invested their money in building huge portfolios of mainstream and adult domains.

                                                                                                                              Domains are just like owning prime real estate, pure and simple.

                                                                                                                              OMG fuck you I'm so hungry now !!1 gimmie some of this .

                                                                                                                              I wanted to stop myself from eating anymore at 3:30 am but fuck it... I'ma cook a steak ! brb
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                                                                              I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                                                                                • KRL
                                                                                                                                  Entrepreneur
                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 31429
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                                                                                  OMG fuck you I'm so hungry now !!1 gimmie some of this .

                                                                                                                                  I wanted to stop myself from eating anymore at 3:30 am but fuck it... I'ma cook a steak ! brb
                                                                                                                                  If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor
                                                                                                                                  from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION!
                                                                                                                                  *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
                                                                                                                                  Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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                                                                                                                                    • BlueWire
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 4628
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      I think its just something where you have to be careful and really know your shit.

                                                                                                                                      Rick for example really knows his shit

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                                                                                                                                        • Taboo
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 3700
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by DrinkingHARDER
                                                                                                                                          So will domains become like houses, you fix them up and flip them hehe??!! Will we have domain renovations shows coming in the future on TLC? ;)

                                                                                                                                          DH
                                                                                                                                          It already is like this. but they're called "road shows"

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                                                                                                                                            • shuki
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 3070
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                                                                              I think so long as the PPC market is doing well, the domain market will follow as there is a correlation (not direct, albeit a correlation) between the two.
                                                                                                                                              WG
                                                                                                                                              My thoughts too
                                                                                                                                              Looking to buy established paysites contact me [email protected]

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                                                                                                                                                • p2p chad
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2006
                                                                                                                                                  • 127
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Taboo
                                                                                                                                                  Yes I believe some domains will appreciate. But it depends what you're buying & why. I buy domains to develop, but if I have too much on the backburner or someone is interested in the domain, I'll consider any serious offer. I'm still buying and selling, but I'm not moving in the same direction as the PPC/Traffic part of the industry. I focus on brandable domains with or without traffic. Companies/Startups are still buying brandable domains from me and traffic hasn't been a factor/dealbreaker. Even though I have negotiated with some of the large PPC buyers who only care about traffic and are offering 3x-8x+ revenues, I've been able to sell a few domains this year for substantial cash up front (5 & 6 figure deals) + % of revenue (ad &/or sales) AND received equity stakes in the newly formed companies (10%-49%). FYI, I had to fight for these type of deals, the negotiations were drawn out, but it made sense to all parties involved in the end.

                                                                                                                                                  But right now there are probably new domain speculators buying countless domains who are mortgaging their houses and taking huge gambles on a market they haven't taken the proper time to study... so a crash will surely come... and of course the strong will survive as always.

                                                                                                                                                  But the bottom line for me, if a domain's value doesn't appreciate, no big deal, I bought it to develop into a site and build value into the name/brand that way. I'd rather flip domains than flip burgers, but I'd rather flip companies then flip domains. (and imo, it's much more fun)

                                                                                                                                                  either way, good luck.

                                                                                                                                                  .

                                                                                                                                                  That's very true...and for those of us who know the industry and market, will prosper in the end! Bring on the change! lol
                                                                                                                                                  Hey, with all your new ventures, in need of more traffic? Let me know!
                                                                                                                                                  Cheers!

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                                                                                                                                                    • shuki
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 3070
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      One other point I always make to my friends in other businesses when they ask me why they should pony up big dollars for a premium domain instead of into advertising a lesser quality name is because of a ppc example.

                                                                                                                                                      Lets say you own lofts.com and a competitor owns myloftbuy.com etc or any other variation of a hard to remember name, you both have adwords campaigns running for the keyword "lofts" he visits both sites by clicking on our text ads. He likes both sites and the content they have but is at work and needs to show his wife a few properties that he thinks would be a good fit for them. He returns home from work and they sit in front of the computer trying to remember the urls of the two sites he visited. Well most likely he will remember my name lofts.com and then do another search on google to find the other site, click again and incur more ppc costs to that competitor.

                                                                                                                                                      Think about that case on high traffic domains and keywords. You are always going to remember the short category killer domain.
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                                                                                                                                                        • realed
                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                          • 834
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          I've spent the last 3 years building up a 1500 strong-domain portfolio and make good $$$ monthly just from PPC. The market is growing strong and prices are as high as i can remember. There will probably be a levelling-off effect at some point but if you look at sales over the past 24 months they are still climbing and climbing fast.

                                                                                                                                                          If you have no spare cash to invest in domains then don't. I see domains and PPC very much like buying property and renting it out. Your domain value always increases. Sometimes large increases and sometimes small. The rent keeps you going :-)

                                                                                                                                                          This is time for investment in domains. Not sure how long it will last. That's anybody's guess. If you have some good domain names and don't need to sell them on then you cannot lose.

                                                                                                                                                          Terry

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